[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello

I've never been to Pakistan. From the few reports I've had, a place with no standards at all would be better than whatever passes for standards there. A pirate ship, for instance: well, they did have a standard "Do what the captain says or walk the plank" and I'm not including nutters in powered dinghies whose heads would actually explode if they met a genuine pirate like Mister Roberts or Mary Read. The single standard of respecting the Chief Pirate did at least produce a viable pirate ship where amputations did not exceed free prosthetics [wooden legs, hooks] thrown in by a magnanimous commander eager to keep her show on the road. (His, in the case of Roberts.)

As for the nutters, it's like something's gone wrong in their brain; mostly they get blown up with mortar fire but a few manage to hijack a ship. It's about the pinnacle of economic achievement, Keynesianism gone mad as noted from the outset by their ideal nutter centuries ago on camels.

https://goldenageofpiracy.org/pirates/bartholomew-roberts.php

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...ry-Read-Pirate

I've been to Pakistan and India.Really could not tell the differences between the two 4th world cesspools. The smell, filth and gibberish. Not a good steak to be found anywhere.

It was funny to see them scurrying about like ants. It made me wish I had a giant magnifying lens to focus Gods Love™ on them

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hello

I've never been to Pakistan. From the few reports I've had, a place with no standards at all would be better than whatever passes for standards there. A pirate ship, for instance: well, they did have a standard "Do what the captain says or walk the plank" and I'm not including nutters in powered dinghies whose heads would actually explode if they met a genuine pirate like Mister Roberts or Mary Read. The single standard of respecting the Chief Pirate did at least produce a viable pirate ship where amputations did not exceed free prosthetics [wooden legs, hooks] thrown in by a magnanimous commander eager to keep her show on the road. (His, in the case of Roberts.)

As for the nutters, it's like something's gone wrong in their brain; mostly they get blown up with mortar fire but a few manage to hijack a ship. It's about the pinnacle of economic achievement, Keynesianism gone mad as noted from the outset by their ideal nutter centuries ago on camels.

https://goldenageofpiracy.org/pirates/bartholomew-roberts.php

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...ry-Read-Pirate

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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What amused me there, Sister Mitza, was what my dear husband calls "the superfluous actually", so very often used as an indicator of a half-truth. It is a red-flag word in this house!

Actually, I have read the bible.

If I were to say, for example, "Actually, I have been to Pakistan" this would be "true" in the sense that when I was a small child I once sat in an airside lounge in Karachi airport for an hour or two, during a refueling stop. It is not, however, true to say that I have been to Pakistan. I have never entered that God-forsaken country.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Hello

Hi.

Actually, I have read the bible. I just prefer not to idly brag about it. After all, Christianity is not a contest to read the bible the most. Also, I operate not so much on amusement as an interest in affairs at large, in all circles of life. Is "my sort" disappointing to you? How sad, that you find humans to be disappointing or boring. I find them to be quite interesting, personally, and I make them my study. Your group may be concerned with perfecting holiness in themselves and setting themselves aside. That's fine, and that's respectable. But I prefer to be out in the midst of things. On the one hand, I maintain the mental health of individuals by providing support, and on the other I lead them to Christ. "Children playing hopscotch in the middle of your chess matches"? I would not say that applies to me, as I am mainly here to observe. But as for others doing that... that's just a fact of the internet. Believe me, as a moderator on several platforms, I can attest.

That may be true however where a self-declared believer comes up with a statement of doctrine or (less dogmatically) an idea about what God does or does not approve of and that statement flat out contradicts our only source for Christian theology (the teachings of Jesus and His ministry from the first moment of Creation to the present day)

we know they're just making it up and are EITHER unaware of God's explicit statement on exactly the same point OR are aware but reject God and THEREFORE cannot be Christians at all.


That does sort of involve knowing what The Bible says, whether you've read it once and can remember what you've read or read the whole piece every day from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. As you point out, it's not a competition.

[handmaiden]

Re: Hello

Would it really kill you to pick up the Bible and provide appropriate verses?

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
1st Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1st Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1st Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1st Corinthians 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1st Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1st Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1st Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1st Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1st Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

Oh, please. That was ONLY 23 separate verses. Why not make it an even two dozen?

Leviticus 27:3-8

And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.

[Basilissa]

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Ha, I was slightly amused by this. Assuming it was a jest. But if you're being serious... why would I feel respect for something that degrades me for being something I was born as? If you're trying to make me feel some sort of guilt for being female, sorry, strange lady, but it's not working. No, the respect I feel is based on the fact that it is the holy word of our mighty savior. Does that answer your question?

The Bible clearly states that women are inferior. It's in the Ephesians, somewhere

Would it really kill you to pick up the Bible and provide appropriate verses?

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
1st Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1st Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1st Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1st Corinthians 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1st Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1st Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1st Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1st Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1st Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Hello

Ha, I was slightly amused by this. Assuming it was a jest. But if you're being serious... why would I feel respect for something that degrades me for being something I was born as? If you're trying to make me feel some sort of guilt for being female, sorry, strange lady, but it's not working. No, the respect I feel is based on the fact that it is the holy word of our mighty savior. Does that answer your question?

No, it does not answer my question.

The Bible clearly states that women are inferior. It's in the Ephesians, somewhere - you read the Bible, so you know that. So if you respect the Bible as the Word of God, then you have to accept your inferiority as a fact. For me personally, the misogyny of the Bible in general and of the author(s) of the Epistles of Paul specifically, is what makes me doubt that the Bible is really the Word of God.

[Blanche_Locke]

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Thank you, we are finally getting somewhere.

Which parts of the Bible made you feel respect? The bits about chopping up pregnant women? Or the God-approved genocide in general? Or the parts which say that women are inferior? Or the parts that order slaves to obey their masters no matter how cruel the masters are?

Anyway, you will fit right in with the True Christians here. They also treat the Bible with respect.

Ha, I was slightly amused by this. Assuming it was a jest. But if you're being serious... why would I feel respect for something that degrades me for being something I was born as? If you're trying to make me feel some sort of guilt for being female, sorry, strange lady, but it's not working. No, the respect I feel is based on the fact that it is the holy word of our mighty savior. Does that answer your question?

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Hello

Well, I would say... a slight feeling of respect?

Thank you, we are finally getting somewhere.

Which parts of the Bible made you feel respect? The bits about chopping up pregnant women? Or the God-approved genocide in general? Or the parts which say that women are inferior? Or the parts that order slaves to obey their masters no matter how cruel the masters are?

Anyway, you will fit right in with the True Christians here. They also treat the Bible with respect.

[Blanche_Locke]

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Hello and welcome to this forum, Miss Blanche! As you might have noticed, this community is very much Bible-centered and they love to discuss the Bible.

So we are all waiting for you to share more about your reading of the Bible. Are you smitten by it? Madly in love? Shocked? Scared? Abhorred? I don't think that "unimpressed" is an option, neither for a believer who considers the Holy Bible as he Inerrant Word of God, nor for an atheist who reads the Bible just for the rapes and mass murders.

Well, I would say... a slight feeling of respect? Then again, I rarely feel emotions in the typical sense.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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I will admit, I feel a slight pang of remorse that I can't butt heads in a fruitless manner with people who's opinions I cannot change... but only slight.

A discussion is only worth having if both parties are willing to change their beliefs when presented with convincing argumentation.

This community believes what the Bible says, 100%. Convincing them that they are wrong is very simple: you just need to point out that they are not following the Bible. But you need to be prepared to learn that the Bible doesn't say what you believe it says, and thus change your opinion.

[Blanche_Locke]

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As I said, I'm here to observe and take notes. I don't have the time to engage in pointless argumentation, and if I make the mistake of doing so it gets dropped pretty quickly. I will admit, I feel a slight pang of remorse that I can't butt heads in a fruitless manner with people who's opinions I cannot change... but only slight.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Hello

Actually, I have read the bible. I just prefer not to idly brag about it.

Hello and welcome to this forum, Miss Blanche! As you might have noticed, this community is very much Bible-centered and they love to discuss the Bible.

So we are all waiting for you to share more about your reading of the Bible. Are you smitten by it? Madly in love? Shocked? Scared? Abhorred? I don't think that "unimpressed" is an option, neither for a believer who considers the Holy Bible as he Inerrant Word of God, nor for an atheist who reads the Bible just for the rapes and mass murders.

[handmaiden]

Re: Hello

Actually, I have read the bible. I just prefer not to idly brag about it.

No, your idle bragging is all about you and how clever you are. That's why you're really here, isn't it? You aren't really interested in "affairs at large" or making a serious study of anything.

You're here to score points in a game that you have cobbled together from bits and pieces of your own ego. Nothing that you post here directly or honestly addresses any of the discussions we have about what the Bible really has to say regarding the nature of God, the human condition or what it really means to follow Christianity.

If you have read the Bible, post something that shows some discernment about its contents. See if you can string together a paragraph or two that isn't about you and your world view. Find a verse, and extrapolate how it can help people to manage their lives in a 21th century world.

Show us if it is possible for you to write anything that isn't intended to glorify yourself.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello

...YHWH is God's name, the exact pronunciation is unknown due to written hebrew not having vowels.

Wrong. Read Exodus again. Any version will do. The verse in question varies little.