[Bobby-Joe]

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So what did the Christians use before the bible was put together several hundreds of years after Christ? They used the writings ans teachings that were past on.

As in the Bible, "A Tree is know by its Fruit"

You would know the Truth that is spoken and preached because it would reasonate with the beliefs that were held by Christians past and present.

These are the compasses I was referring to earlier. You cannot throw out 2,000 years of Christianity and whole heartily believe you have the correct understanding when you do not go back and examine things.

If you insist otherwise then you are happy where you are and thats the end of it and you can say that.

Hold it there friend, were does this several hundred years of being put together come from? The Gospels were written by eye witness to the events under Christ's guidance. Christ then guided various other writers to translate The Bible from Aramaic, to Greek and then to English and that is why the world has the KJV1611 now. These people were just human pens used by Christ.

There have been many attempts to sneak heretical doctrine in. However Christ has unmasked them all. I hope you are not suggesting the Will of God can be thwarted by mere men.

[Orthodox]

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Friend,

only valid when backed up by scripture from the Bible, KJV1611.

How do we know it is TRULY an Apostle word’s not some forgery?

Only the Bible, KJV1611, can point us to the TRUE way friend.

So what did the Christians use before the bible was put together several hundreds of years after Christ? They used the writings ans teachings that were past on.

As in the Bible, "A Tree is know by its Fruit"

You would know the Truth that is spoken and preached because it would reasonate with the beliefs that were held by Christians past and present.

These are the compasses I was referring to earlier. You cannot throw out 2,000 years of Christianity and whole heartily believe you have the correct understanding when you do not go back and examine things.

If you insist otherwise then you are happy where you are and thats the end of it and you can say that.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Indeed it does matter how you define Apostle or Saint.

For simplicity we'll take the 12 apostles and ignore the 70 are also considered apostles at that time. Do you accept their teachings? They are not all in the bible but they were tasked with spreading the word as commanded by Jesus.

As for saints, the Orthodox church has criteria...one cannot be a saint because of popularity. It must be revealed in some way. Martyerdom is one way of sainthood, but what of those that arn't not killed for christ?
It is revealed through uncorrupted relics, miracles etc.

Do you accept these? Do you accept the thousands that were killed for christ in the early days? There are even those persecuted for christ and killed in modern times...what of them?

And I have not heard of that claim as i'm not Greek Orthodox...but if they say he is one of the original 12 than that is false...if they mean it as a follower of Christ than that can be so...in that sense we are Apostles.

Friend,

We are TRUE Christians, not some heretical group of upstarts who tried to hijack Christ's teaching like the Catholics. We view those others you list like we view the pronouncement of any Godly Christian; only valid when backed up by scripture from the Bible, KJV1611.

Satan and his earthy puppets has laid many a trap for the unwary. Simply saying one of the Twelve said this isn’t sufficient. How do we know it is TRULY an Apostle word’s not some forgery? The Gnostics were infamous for putting their garbage in Thomas mouth. With the elaborate industry the secularist having going to fake "millions of years" old fossils it would be easy enough for them to “discover” new gospels.

Only the Bible, KJV1611, can point us to the TRUE way friend.

[Orthodox]

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What kind of world are you living in to say something like that? IF what you say is true and that the Bible is not the Word of God, then why does Jesus say this in the BIBLE:

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Where the heck did you think it came from? You must be part of some weird man-made forsaken religion of some sort to believe in something else than that.

Enjoy your time in hell.

The Apostle John wrote, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Jesus IS the way the truth and none can cometh uto the Father but through him. HE IS the very Word of God.
That is the Trinity.
In the story of creation it is spoken thus, "Let us make man". "US" means plural. God the Father speaks, God the Son (Word) creates, and God the Holy Spirit (Breath) gives life.

This is what the early christians believed and what it is even today. Yes i asuume it would be "weird" to you because today we have over 20,000 denominations of Christianity and the ancient teachings have been lost to most.

God judges Man. It is not for you to say who goes to Hell or who goes to Heaven. Are you God? Do you know the inner workings of my Heart? Do you know if I repent for my sins? You may hear my words and be confused or you may even question it - ask me to clarify. But it is not for you to say who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell...to say so you lose all credibility and the conversation ends.

[Condescending]

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And to put it bluntly, the bible is not the Word of God...Jesus is the Word of God.

What kind of world are you living in to say something like that? IF what you say is true and that the Bible is not the Word of God, then why does Jesus say this in the BIBLE:

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Where the heck did you think it came from? You must be part of some weird man-made forsaken religion of some sort to believe in something else than that.

Enjoy your time in hell.

[Don the Baptist]

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And to put it bluntly, the bible is not the Word of God...

Blasphemous Heretic, I am truly offended at your vile utterings. Back in the day you would have parted company with your head for even thinking such tomfoolery! Actually in Freehold you still could.

[Orthodox]

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Please quote which of my posts were hateful and judgemental and I will try and correct.

If i failed to capitalzie those words then it must be an isolated matter as I do try to do that out of respect. Forgive me.

If you believe I have been short on details in my posts please ask for more information on certain topics and I will provide it. I did not want to take up so much space by posting long essays.

I am not Greek. And I apologise to any Greeks viewing the previous post as I'm sure the adjectives used to describe Greeks was not meant to be hurtful to you but to me.

From a 3rd party source here is a summary link to the overal Eastern Orthodox Chruch

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/subdivisions/easternorthodox_1.shtml

and here is a link to 1 website of the North American Orthodox

http://www.oca.org/MVorthchristiansnamericaTOC.asp?SID=1

I go to a North American Orthodox Church... I am almost 24 years old and as far as quotes from the bible...

"Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the sons of God."
"Blessed are the pure of heart; for they shall see God."

[Orthodox]

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Indeed it does matter how you define Apostle or Saint.

For simplicity we'll take the 12 apostles and ignore the 70 are also considered apostles at that time. Do you accept their teachings? They are not all in the bible but they were tasked with spreading the word as commanded by Jesus.

As for saints, the Orthodox church has criteria...one cannot be a saint because of popularity. It must be revealed in some way. Martyerdom is one way of sainthood, but what of those that arn't not killed for christ?
It is revealed through uncorrupted relics, miracles etc.

Do you accept these? Do you accept the thousands that were killed for christ in the early days? There are even those persecuted for christ and killed in modern times...what of them?

And I have not heard of that claim as i'm not Greek Orthodox...but if they say he is one of the original 12 than that is false...if they mean it as a follower of Christ than that can be so...in that sense we are Apostles.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I'm wondering what an "Orthodox Christian" is. Are you a boy-buggering Greek? So far you have been very hateful and judgmental, but very short on details. You (mostly) don't even bother to show enough respect to properly capitalize words like "Jesus" or "Christian." And I have yet to see a single verse of God's Holy Word out of you.

I'd like to know more about you. What church do you attend? How old are you? Please tell us about yourself.

Our church doctrine can be viewed HERE. What is yours?

[Bobby-Joe]

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As you said "All other compasses point to damnation and hell"

That means you go against Jesus. He appointed the Apostles to spread the gospel and minister to the people. They received the Holy Spirit and passed on their responsibilities.

You deny the saints? you deny the very apostles?

This is not christian.

I hope you have not made yourself clear

That depends on how you define an apostle or a saint, doesn't it friend?

Paul is clearly speaking for Jesus. Or rather Jesus speaking threw Paul. I have heard the Greek Orthadox church claim that the Byzantine Emperor was one of the Apostles, I certainly wouldn't accept Christ spoke threw Emperor Alexios Komenos I. For one thing if Jesus did use Alexios the KJV1611 would have mentioned it.

[Orthodox]

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As you said "All other compasses point to damnation and hell"

That means you go against Jesus. He appointed the Apostles to spread the gospel and minister to the people. They received the Holy Spirit and passed on their responsibilities.

You deny the saints? you deny the very apostles?

This is not christian.

I hope you have not made yourself clear

[Orthodox]

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If jesus is your compass do you throw out everything else?

The Apostles?
The early church?
The saints?

And it is not sufficent to say that if he says you need only 1 compass then thats all you need. That is willful blindness. All are called to answer for their beliefs and actions. Having faith and being ignorant are two different things. It is on this point that many Christians fall and have their own beleifs that are contrary to original christianity and give the wrong idea of the faith.

The apostles joined Christ because they saw the fulfullment of Judiasm with him...The jews at the time wanted a conquering hero to oust the Romans...but God is greater than earthly power.

And I apologise if the analogy of the compass is difficult for you to understand. You do not hold them close together...you take the different compasses and check the direction your heading seperately.

The idea is simple checks and balances to make sure your heading in the right direction.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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If Brother Mayfield says you need one compass that is all you need.

I suggest you put 4 compasses close together and see what happens – they point in every which way! This is because of the Miracle of magnetism for which science has no answer.

I find discussing the Lord of Hosts with a retard tiring – please up your game.

[Bobby-Joe]

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What is your one true compass?

And if you have many compass verifiying which is the correct way...is that not better? (analogy of the church fathers, saints, etc)

How would you know if your one compass is working?

And your analogy doesn't work as compass only point north....not in every which way

Friend the compass is obvious enough; Jesus, threw the KJV 1611. All other compasses point towards hell and damnation.

[Orthodox]

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What is your one true compass?

And if you have many compass verifiying which is the correct way...is that not better? (analogy of the church fathers, saints, etc)

How would you know if your one compass is working?

And your analogy doesn't work as compass only point north....not in every which way