[Benedict A. Davis]

Re: I try to understand?

I am confused you come to the Landover Baptist Church Forum that its function is to discuss our Christian views and how every word of the Bible is to be lived by, which is our belief. You call members parrots for using quotations from the KJV1611 and when one paraphrases those scriptures you rebuke her. A question or 2 I must ask, why the anger? Are you looking to convert us and to what?

[nanhunters56]

Re: I try to understand?

Christians are supposed to be kind what the HELL!!!! is going on here ?

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: I try to understand?

Still no scripture?

Yes, Brother Levi, we have here the typical "salad bar Christian". He picks the parts of the Bible he likes and says of the parts he dislikes, "Oh, that was written in a time and context that makes it not apply today."

I'm sure we have, here, a person we would like personally. But, it is a person who refuses to swallow the entire Bible and all that it means.

The fact remains that only we, at Landover Baptist, are the True Christians™.

[handmaiden]

Re: I try to understand?

Handmaiden

That was more elaborate, paraphrased nonsense. You do appear to be a more intelligent argumentor here. . . .

Whom did I paraphrase? Certainly not the Bible. I have read paraphrased Bibles and they seem incredibly childish next to the real thing.

Stating that I wrote elaborately phrased nonsense and suggesting that I am an intelligent augmenter confuses me a bit. Am I to feel complimented or insulted? Please clarify. I like to know where I stand, (which is the reason I read the Bible.)

Nevertheless, your assertion that I make everything suit my purposes whilst you take the King James bible as it comes, thus ensuring your unaccountability is really quite bizarre.

I don't think that you mean to use the word "bizarre" in that sentence. I think you mean to say that I am incorrect. I, of course, will respond that you are incorrect. I certainly do not think you are bizarre; you are a fairly standard variety outraged individual who refuses to look at the real truth of the Bible.

Now, I admit to being uncertain regarding your claim that I am "ensuring my unaccountability". For what am I trying to escape accountability? Sending people to hell? I leave that sort of thing to the Big Guy Up There. Misrepresenting the Bible? The Bible does not me to represent it. And most every Christian I have encountered has misrepresented it to suit exactly what they need it to say.

Please don't assume that I am as gullible as Lydia Johnson(UNSAVED TRASH).

Never occurred to me to assume that you have the same "gullibility rating" as Lydia.

I am not used to having all the Christian values I have held dear all my life, trashed in favour of a doctrine supposedly gleaned from the same bible that I have known, that would encourage me to hate and despise my fellow man, to actively judge them on earth and condone their damnation.

No, you're not used to having your Christian values examined that closely. You're not used to comparing your doctrines carefully side by side with the whole, unabridged Bible at all.

Oh, and I don't think it's our place to condone or not condone any one's damnation. That's strictly God's bailiwick.

Sorry, I would afford you the consideration I give to anyone despite your nastiness, because I am a christian.

Hmm. . . I didn't think that I was being nasty. I thought that I was being precise and analytical; can't think why you would take that as nastiness. I have met my share of nasty Christians, though. I have also met my share of kindly ones. I still contend that none of them have faced the Bible and accepted its truth as I have.

I don't know what you lot are, but I am going to publicise your forum to as many Christians as possible, let us see if you can stand up to the scrutiny of decent people.

Please do tell everyone about us! It is our hope that everyone will join us in like mindedness here at LBC. Decent people capable of scrutiny are especially welcome to join our congregation.

Sincerely Yours,

Handmaiden

[Levi Jones]

Re: I try to understand?

Sorry, I would afford you the consideration I give to anyone despite your nastiness, because I am a christian. I don't know what you lot are, but I am going to publicise your forum to as many Christians as possible, let us see if you can stand up to the scrutiny of decent people.

Still no scripture?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: I try to understand?

I am obviously attempting to put my side of the argument in as good a light as possible

If you were trying to put your argument in as good a light as possible you would back it up with some scripture. Don't you have something better to do than persecute real, Bible following Christians on the internet? If I found the likes of you a wanderin' 'round in my woods I'd learn ya somethin' swift.

[Honest man]

Re: I try to understand?

Levi Jones
Re Ms Johnson, you are all a bunch of bullies, I doubt if there is one decent, kind Christian amongst you, and you are one of the leaders. That speaks volumes of you.


Handmaiden

That was more elaborate, paraphrased nonsense. You do appear to be a more intelligent argumentor here. Nevertheless, your assertion that I make everything suit my purposes whilst you take the King James bible as it comes, thus ensuring your unaccountability is really quite bizarre. Please don't assume that I am as gullible as Lydia Johnson(UNSAVED TRASH). I am not used to having all the Christian values I have held dear all my life, trashed in favour of a doctrine supposedly gleaned from the same bible that I have known, that would encourage me to hate and despise my fellow man, to actively judge them on earth and condone their damnation.
Sorry, I would afford you the consideration I give to anyone despite your nastiness, because I am a christian. I don't know what you lot are, but I am going to publicise your forum to as many Christians as possible, let us see if you can stand up to the scrutiny of decent people.

[Levi Jones]

Re: I try to understand?

Don't forget Lydia Johnson "UNSAVED TRASH" that is what they think of you!

Everyone starts off as unsaved trash. The difference between you and Mrs. Johnson is that her status is likely to change. Yours on the other hand.

[handmaiden]

Re: I try to understand?

Levi Jones.
I am puzzled why you assume that I find the actual Word of God to be unsettling, I have not displayed that in my post. . .

You don't find the Word of God unsettling? Then you're not paying attention. It wasn't written to make people feel "settled"; it was written to command people to obey.

[. . .] your quotes are true, as true as the interpretation of the church of England for who the translation was inscribed. You then further interpret and use, any quotation without context, linking it with other out of context passages and construct a meaning that is wholly to your liking. . .

Well, this is one True Christian Lady who doesn't always like what the Bible says. I find submission and celibacy both very hard to accept. But accepting Jesus means accepting His word which means accepting the Bible. Follow the logic? I have faced the fact that a Bible Believer in my circumstances should be both submissive and sexless because I DO NOT "interpret passages and construct meaning that are to my liking."

You on the other hand are trying to convince me that this is what the original [authors] were saying was the word of the Lord when they wrote the Bible. We both know that what you write is all to support the notions and ideals that you and your church hold, unpleasant and wicked as they are.

My first instinct against this charge is to point out that EVERY church in Christiandom uses the Bible to support their own "notions and ideals" as you put it. When you insist that LBC's notions and ideals are "unpleasant and wicked" I must respond that the Bible can, indeed, seem unpleasant to modern sensibilities. I, myself, am rather squeamish. Much of the bloodshed in the Bible is difficult to consider for a city-bred gal like myself who has never slaughtered her own dinner much less an unbeliever. However, anyone with even a minimal exposure to the Bible could tell you that calling it wicked is a bit risky -- God being rather intolerant to those who suggest that He in the wrong, you know.

Naturally, you will retort by insisting that you did not say the God was wicked, but rather LBC and its ideals. Our most cherished ideal is that the Bible must be taken at face value. Which leads me to your next assertion . .

[ . . . ] having spent my entire life being nice to people . . . at no point did I preach hatred of others . . .

Well, some say that it's nice to be nice. But it's not always Godly. Look hard; you will not find the word, "nice" in the Bible.

And while I laud you for not preaching hatred of others, I must insist that what you appear to be "preaching" is tailor-made belief. You cut and trim the cloth to fit your own frame -- or framework, as it is. We take the Bible as whole cloth and wrap ourselves in it. Thus we are protected from the criticisms of those such as yourself.

Gosh, I hope that I wasn't too nice in this post. Being nice and declaring God's Word are not always the same thing. Just ask John the Baptist.

Sincerely Yours,

Handmaiden

[Honest man]

Re: I try to understand?

Don't forget Lydia Johnson "UNSAVED TRASH" that is what they think of you!

[Honest man]

Re: I try to understand?

You come here telling us we are doing Christianity all wrong, but can offer no scripture to back up your opinion, yet I am the one who has nothing substantive to offer?

No, you are telling everyone outside of your church, that they are doing Christianity wrong. I am telling you that you are being extremely unpleasant.
I find it hard to see you as Christians, you are just people with a Bible. All your paranoia is channeled through scripture passages that you can attribute your cruel ways to. Do you really think that every one out there is evil? With the exception of Ms Johnson who is obviously feeble minded(I am sure you will have to ditch her eventually), you all talk about quoting scripture, as though memorising it proves you are a Christian, a Buddhist could memorise it and quote it, a Shintoist could, a liar could, It would sound and read the same, It proves nothing, stop thinking it does. I know my scripture, I would not use it in a battle of wits with you, it would degrade it.

BTW, the infraction you gave me was very immature, it was an attempt to silence me by ridicule, Going yappity yap yap yappity. I am sorry but that is play ground talk and not impressive.

I am sorry if my opinion challenges your method of spreading hatred, it is how I was brought up as a non fanatical Christian.

[LydiaJohnson]

Re: I try to understand?

Well said, Mr Jones. Put that hellbound scumbag in his place.

[Levi Jones]

Re: I try to understand?

Levi Jones.
I am puzzled why you assume that I find the actual Word of God to be unsettling, I have not displayed that in my post. You have asked that question in order to make it appear to anyone reading what I have said, that it is how they should view my comments. It is nothing but a device to discredit my opinion. You possibly have learned this technique as a substitute for any substantial reasoning missing from your argument.

You come here telling us we are doing Christianity all wrong, but can offer no scripture to back up your opinion, yet I am the one who has nothing substantive to offer?

[LydiaJohnson]

Re: I try to understand?

I can't work out whether you are fish or foul?

Neither, I'm human.

[Honest man]

Re: I try to understand?

Levi Jones.
I am puzzled why you assume that I find the actual Word of God to be unsettling, I have not displayed that in my post. You have asked that question in order to make it appear to anyone reading what I have said, that it is how they should view my comments. It is nothing but a device to discredit my opinion. You possibly have learned this technique as a substitute for any substantial reasoning missing from your argument.

Lydia Johnson.
I can't work out whether you are fish or foul?

Dirk.
True Christian?

Well, our views are true, accurate and non-deceptive since we stricly follow the King James Version 1611 Bible.

No, your quotes are true, as true as the interpretation of the church of England for who the translation was inscribed. You then further interpret and use, any quotation without context, linking it with other out of context passages and construct a meaning that is wholly to your liking. You know that you do this, I don't blame you for doing it, I am obviously attempting to put my side of the argument in as good a light as possible, the difference is, I am honest enough to admit it. You on the other hand are trying to convince me that this is what the original medieval monks were saying was the word of the Lord when they wrote the Bible. We both know that what you write is all to support the notions and ideals that you and your church hold, unpleasant and wicked as they are.

It is meant as an expression, nothing more. There is no hatred or something behind the emoticons.

Wow, you really are from America aren't you? If it is an expression then it must be expressing something, by the look of it, it is expressing the necessity of killing Muslims with even more violent methods than they employ, is this what Jesus taught?

Our way is not weird....

I find no evidence of that, having spent my entire life being nice to people, that I found extremely easy to do, at no point did I preach hatred of others or refer to someone I had never met as "Unsaved trash". Did Jesus do that as he met the disciples one by one? I think not.

I just checked out your "medals"? Ex masturbator, easy to say. Then the Klan hood, is that Gods way? Heaven bound, you will have to be forgiven for your cruel thoughts first, ones that I really don't have strangely enough.