[Levi Jones]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

Have either of you cracked open a textbook lately? I'm sure it would look far different from what you used as a child. Also, the tests do change. I'd put money down to say you probably could not even pass the twelfth grade by current standards if you had to.

Kid, I'm working on my Master of Theological Studies.

You should get back to work. Those french fries are probably done.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

Have either of you cracked open a textbook lately?

Considering I am 21, yes. More recently than you have, as a matter of fact

[IHate]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

Have either of you cracked open a textbook lately? I'm sure it would look far different from what you used as a child. Also, the tests do change. I'd put money down to say you probably could not even pass the twelfth grade by current standards if you had to. And while Lisa may have been home schooled when it still could have done her some good, her comments suggest that she has had no formal education whatsoever and most likely did not a attend post-secondary institute of any kind.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

That is all fine and dandy, Heathen, but if you notice, these tests were done in the 80s and and early 90s. Then, home schooling had the potential to be quite effective if a parent had graduatated from high school and retained even a third of the information they were taught. However, beginning in about 1998 we began to see a major shift across the board. More information was being discovered by the day it seemed. The standards children today must meet are substantially different than those of the past two generations.

Wow, what a moronic statement. The standardized tests all the children had to take would be the exact same.

Do you honestly think though new things were being discovered daily that the textbooks changed daily?

You have just earned a new award or two.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

That is all fine and dandy, Heathen, but if you notice, these tests were done in the 80s and and early 90s. Then, home schooling had the potential to be quite effective if a parent had graduatated from high school and retained even a third of the information they were taught. However, beginning in about 1998 we began to see a major shift across the board. More information was being discovered by the day it seemed. The standards children today must meet are substantially different than those of the past two generations.

Great. Please provide me the studies that back up your ridiculous lies

And by the way, as Lisa's profile says she is 27 years old, she would have been in school during ... the 80s and early 90s!

[IHate]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

Well, I don't know Lisa personally to answer that question, but what if she was?

http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp

1. In 1997, a study of 5,402 homeschool students from 1,657 families was released. It was entitled, "Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America." The study demonstrated that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. A significant finding when analyzing the data for 8th graders was the evidence that homeschoolers who are homeschooled two or more years score substantially higher than students who have been homeschooled one year or less. The new homeschoolers were scoring on the average in the 59th percentile compared to students homeschooled the last two or more years who scored between 86th and 92nd percentile. i

This was confirmed in another study by Dr. Lawrence Rudner of 20,760 homeschooled students which found the homeschoolers who have homeschooled all their school aged years had the highest academic achievement. This was especially apparent in the higher grades. ii This is a good encouragement to families catch the long-range vision and homeschool through high school.


2. In a study released by the National Center for Home Education on November 10, 1994. According to these standardized test results provided by the Riverside Publishing Company of 16,311 homeschoolers from all 50 states K-12, the nationwide average for homeschool students is at the 77th percentile of the basic battery of the Iowa Test of Basic Skills. In reading, the homeschoolers' nationwide grand mean is the 79th percentile. This means, of course, that the homeschool students perform better in reading than 79 percent of the same population on whom the test is normed. In the area of language arts and math, the typical homeschooler scored in the 73rd percentile.


The homeschooled high schoolers did even better, which goes against the trend in public schools where studies show the longer a child is in the public schools, the lower he scores on standardized tests. One hundred and eighteen tenth-grade homeschool students, as a group, made an average score of the 82nd percentile in reading, the 70th percentile in math, and the 81st percentile in language arts.

6. In South Carolina, the National Center for Home Education did a survey of 65 homeschool students and found that the average scores on the Comprehensive Test of Basic Skills were 30 percentile points higher than national public school averages. In math, 92 percent of the homeschool students scored above grade level, and 93 percent of the homeschool students were at or above grade level in reading. These scores are "being achieved in a state where public school SAT scores are next-to-last in national rankings." ix

The study found that the average scores of the homeschool students were at or above the 80th percentile in all categories. The homeschoolers' national percentile mean was 84th for reading, 80th for language, 81st for math, 84th for science and 83rd for social studies.

13. Statistics also demonstrate that homeschoolers tend to score above the national average on both their SAT and ACT scores.

Similarly, in 1986, the State Department of Education in Alaska which had surveyed homeschooled children's test results every other year since 1981, found homeschooled children to be scoring approximately 16 percentage points higher, on the average, than the children of the same grades in conventional schools. In Oregon, the State Department of Education compiled test score statistics for 1,658 homeschooled children in 1988 and found that 51 percent of the children scored above the 71st percentile and 73 percent scored above the 51st percentile.

In Nebraska, out of 259 homeschooled children who returned to public or non-public schools, 134 of them were automatically placed in their grade level according to their age without testing. Of the remaining who were given entrance tests, 33 were above grade level, 43 were at grade level, and 29 were below grade level. Approximately 88 percent of the returning students were at or above grade level after being homeschooled for a period of time. This survey was the result of the responses of 429 accredited schools. xxiii

That is all fine and dandy, Heathen, but if you notice, these tests were done in the 80s and and early 90s. Then, home schooling had the potential to be quite effective if a parent had graduatated from high school and retained even a third of the information they were taught. However, beginning in about 1998 we began to see a major shift across the board. More information was being discovered by the day it seemed. The standards children today must meet are substantially different than those of the past two generations.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

Who said I was an atheist? Atheists believe in neither God nor Satan, while I believe in both. If I did not believe in God I most likely would have put quotations around his name to signify that I was speaking in a sarcastic tone when I asked my question. Were you home schooled like Lisa?

Well, I don't know Lisa personally to answer that question, but what if she was?

http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp

1. In 1997, a study of 5,402 homeschool students from 1,657 families was released. It was entitled, "Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America." The study demonstrated that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. A significant finding when analyzing the data for 8th graders was the evidence that homeschoolers who are homeschooled two or more years score substantially higher than students who have been homeschooled one year or less. The new homeschoolers were scoring on the average in the 59th percentile compared to students homeschooled the last two or more years who scored between 86th and 92nd percentile. i

This was confirmed in another study by Dr. Lawrence Rudner of 20,760 homeschooled students which found the homeschoolers who have homeschooled all their school aged years had the highest academic achievement. This was especially apparent in the higher grades. ii This is a good encouragement to families catch the long-range vision and homeschool through high school.


2. In a study released by the National Center for Home Education on November 10, 1994. According to these standardized test results provided by the Riverside Publishing Company of 16,311 homeschoolers from all 50 states K-12, the nationwide average for homeschool students is at the 77th percentile of the basic battery of the Iowa Test of Basic Skills. In reading, the homeschoolers' nationwide grand mean is the 79th percentile. This means, of course, that the homeschool students perform better in reading than 79 percent of the same population on whom the test is normed. In the area of language arts and math, the typical homeschooler scored in the 73rd percentile.


The homeschooled high schoolers did even better, which goes against the trend in public schools where studies show the longer a child is in the public schools, the lower he scores on standardized tests. One hundred and eighteen tenth-grade homeschool students, as a group, made an average score of the 82nd percentile in reading, the 70th percentile in math, and the 81st percentile in language arts.

6. In South Carolina, the National Center for Home Education did a survey of 65 homeschool students and found that the average scores on the Comprehensive Test of Basic Skills were 30 percentile points higher than national public school averages. In math, 92 percent of the homeschool students scored above grade level, and 93 percent of the homeschool students were at or above grade level in reading. These scores are "being achieved in a state where public school SAT scores are next-to-last in national rankings." ix

The study found that the average scores of the homeschool students were at or above the 80th percentile in all categories. The homeschoolers' national percentile mean was 84th for reading, 80th for language, 81st for math, 84th for science and 83rd for social studies.

13. Statistics also demonstrate that homeschoolers tend to score above the national average on both their SAT and ACT scores.

Similarly, in 1986, the State Department of Education in Alaska which had surveyed homeschooled children's test results every other year since 1981, found homeschooled children to be scoring approximately 16 percentage points higher, on the average, than the children of the same grades in conventional schools. In Oregon, the State Department of Education compiled test score statistics for 1,658 homeschooled children in 1988 and found that 51 percent of the children scored above the 71st percentile and 73 percent scored above the 51st percentile.

In Nebraska, out of 259 homeschooled children who returned to public or non-public schools, 134 of them were automatically placed in their grade level according to their age without testing. Of the remaining who were given entrance tests, 33 were above grade level, 43 were at grade level, and 29 were below grade level. Approximately 88 percent of the returning students were at or above grade level after being homeschooled for a period of time. This survey was the result of the responses of 429 accredited schools. xxiii

[Viggo B. Kristoffersen]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

While you may be right that she is doomed to hell should she have intercourse before marriage, there is no reason to call her such a word. You may shock the True Christian Ladies should you keep up that talk.

In Samuel 20:30, where Saul is talking to his son Jonathan, after he has helped David escape Saul's grasp, Saul calls him a son of a "perverse and rebellious woman" (KJV) which again is translated in to "bitch" in later translations.

I agree that the only true bible is the King James version, but to call the word bitch unchristian is over the top in my opinion, and even if it should be af sin, its nothing comparet to having sex before marriage - the pervese and rebellious woman, will, with out a doubt, burn in hell.

[IHate]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

A stupid atheist [female dog] like you could never offend me.
And, as I said before: The choice is yours: You could just give in to your perverted mind and bang away. God would properly punish you with herpes, AIDS and an eternity in hell, but you perverts seem to think it’s worth it.
However, if I were a sick [female dog] like you I would get down on my knees and pray hard, fast and long.

Who said I was an atheist? Atheists believe in neither God nor Satan, while I believe in both. If I did not believe in God I most likely would have put quotations around his name to signify that I was speaking in a sarcastic tone when I asked my question. Were you home schooled like Lisa?

[Higgins]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

A stupid [unchristian word removed] atheist like you could never offend me.
And, as I said before: The choice is yours: You could just give in to your perverted mind and bang away. God would properly punish you with herpes, AIDS and an eternity in hell, but you perverts seem to think it’s worth it.
However, if I were a sick [unchristian word removed] like you I would get down on my knees and pray hard, fast and long.

While you may be right that she is doomed to hell should she have intercourse before marriage, there is no reason to call her such a word. You may shock the True Christian Ladies should you keep up that talk.

[Dionysos]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

You were more offended by my mention of the use of condoms than my comparison of a sexually transmitted disease/infection to a common arts n' crafts supply (commonly used on angel wings)?? Interesting.

A stupid atheist bitch like you could never offend me.
And, as I said before: The choice is yours: You could just give in to your perverted mind and bang away. God would properly punish you with herpes, AIDS and an eternity in hell, but you perverts seem to think it’s worth it.
However, if I were a sick bitch like you I would get down on my knees and pray hard, fast and long.

[IHate]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

If you have read your Bible you would know that comdoms are the work of Satan.

I'll pray for you and your sick mind!

You were more offended by my mention of the use of condoms than my comparison of a sexually transmitted disease/infection to a common arts n' crafts supply (commonly used on angel wings)?? Interesting.

[IHate]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

P.S. I pray that my use of the word"staunchly" will not provide occasion for you to giggle in an unseemly manner.

Should have prayed faster? Guess God is just testing the fruits of your spirit (patience).

[Dionysos]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

Isn't that what condoms are for, to protect against sparkles???

If you have read your Bible you would know that comdoms are the work of Satan.

I'll pray for you and your sick mind!

[handmaiden]

Re: Sex Before Marriage

Am I the only one who finds it funny that your username is Handmaiden and you just used the phrase "Firmly Yours"?

I was referring to being firm in my faith. I also happen to be firm in my grasp of ancient European history, but that is beside the point.

We are here to show the world that which it does not want to see: The Grown-Ups version of the Bible, and not just the pretty collection of stories shared in most Sunday Schools.

If you don't like it, I will not be in the least offended because I did not write it. But I am offended that you should find it amusing. Trust me-- the Bible ain't for yuks.

Furthermore, I have a reputation as a staid and decorous matron of the Church. I am know to lack both patience with fools and a sense of humor.

You would be wise to remember this.

Staunchly Yours,

Handmaiden

P.S. I pray that my use of the word"staunchly" will not provide occasion for you to giggle in an unseemly manner.