[noncognitivist]

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You'd better and throw yourself at the feet of the Lord notcognivist. A firey fate awaits you in your eternal damnation if you should not find the salvation, acceptance of Jesus so graciously allows you.

Yes, so I've been told. More than once actually. But thanks anyway! :-)

[noncognitivist]

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I thought you were a smart, open-minded kind of person so it's sad to see you post such a sorry excuse for your racism. The old - "I'm not prejudiced, some of my best friends are *blank*" is the oldest excuse in the book. Why are you so judgmental towards Iran? Don't you understand they have a different culture and it is very ignorant of you to expect them to act just like you?

I think you've really misunderstood me. Racism would be saying bad things about the people of a certain nationality, and I love the Iranian people. And when I've said things against Iran, I simply meant their government. I would really like to visit Iran as I've heard amazing things about the countryside, the architecture and the hospitality of the people (although someone also told me that after visiting Iran, a person is not allowed into the States - not sure if that's true).
Perhaps I have no right to say anything against their regime, but I'm honestly only repeating what I've been told by Iranian friends, who inform me that the majority of the young generation are against the regime and there's a certain amount of generational conflict between them and their parents generation, who were part of the Iranian revolution to overturn the monarchy and create a better country. As far as the younger generation is concerned (I am told) the current regime is not much better than the previous one, if at all.

[noncognitivist]

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Okay, let's say there's a necklace missing and there are only two people who could have stolen it. They both say the other person took it. So you can think they are both equally right or wrong, but at the end of the day, only one of them took it.

An alternative outcome in your example could be that the necklace is found and it turns that it was simply misplaced, so both were telling the truth that they hadn't stolen it.

If I remember rightly, Muslims believe the Qur'an was revealed to Muhammed by the angel Gabriel and Muhammed then repeated it to his companions, who wrote it down word for word. In the opinion of Muslims, that's a pretty good reason for believing that it is the Word of God, the Truth, etc.

We are Baptists, we don't have monks. I suppose the monk dress code could be a contributing factor.

Ok, and I suppose you think Jesus would have worn trousers do you? In the grand scheme of things and considering that fashions have changed considerably even in the last 100 years, I really don't think what someone wears is of great significance.

It wasn't a point I wanted to press; if they convert to a Christian nation, then why would any harm have to come to them?

And they would say, "if America converts to a Muslim nation, then why would any harm have to come to them?"

That is why Sarah Palin must be elected so that she can mandate a Christianization of our entire country.

Let me get this straight, you believe women should stay at home, cook, clean and obey their husbands, but you want one particular woman elected PRESIDENT?

[Serenity-Millennium]

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It's great that you've been agreeing with most of what I said, which makes it all the more important that I answer your comment and explain myself. You're absolutely right, and I realise that what I've said can easily be misunderstood. I also have many female Muslim friends, some of whom where the hijab, and some of whom don't. There are of course women who make the choice to wear it for religious reasons, which is absolutely fine, I would never criticise that. But in Iran at least (I'm aware that I'm focusing on one country a lot, but that's the one I know the most about) all women have to cover their heads when they're in public or they could get in a lot of trouble with the law. Iranian women that I know who don't make the choice to wear the hijab for religious reasons have a very negative opinion of the situation, which is what I had been trying to get accross - though perhaps in too much of a simplified way, as I was only using it as an example.

I thought you were a smart, open-minded kind of person so it's sad to see you post such a sorry excuse for your racism. The old - "I'm not prejudiced, some of my best friends are *blank*" is the oldest excuse in the book. Why are you so judgmental towards Iran? Don't you understand they have a different culture and it is very ignorant of you to expect them to act just like you?

Don't you know God doesn't want us to judge anyone, ever, for any reason whatsoever?

I'll pray for you.

[YEHWEH 4 LIFE]

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One point to note, "YEHWEH 4 LIFE" is NOT an acknowledged True Christian™ but unsaved trash with just 2 posts on this forum. You can also check the little green bars to see to which extent someone can properly explain True Christianity™.

Brother God=life,

Thank you for drawing the fact that until proven in the eyes of our Lord and Savior Jesus H. Christ, I am as unworthy as any of these liberal loving, homo-rearing 'kumbaya' Christians.

I intend on elevating my name and just as 2 Corinthians 7 states:

"21 We care about doing the right thing, not only in the Lord’s eyes but also in the eyes of other people. "

I have been on this path for awhile, but have only found my calling from our righteous Lord himself.

Corinthians expounds on our shared mission:
"19 In addition to this, he is chosen by the churches to be our traveling companion in this work of grace, which we are taking care of for the sake of the glory of the Lord himself, and to show our desire to help."

..and I have found I can travel far distances to smite the non-believers on the internets. I am only here to help Brother.

Would you lead me to the nearest thread where I might further attest to my devotion and praise of the Almighty?

Back on topic...

You'd better and throw yourself at the feet of the Lord notcognivist. A firey fate awaits you in your eternal damnation if you should not find the salvation, acceptance of Jesus so graciously allows you.

[GOD=life]

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And they each have their own reasons for claiming that theirs is the right one, your reason being that Jesus died for you.

Okay, let's say there's a necklace missing and there are only two people who could have stolen it. They both say the other person took it. So you can think they are both equally right or wrong, but at the end of the day, only one of them took it.

So then you examine the lump in the pocket of one of the two and... you find out it's the necklace and the other person was telling the truth all along.

That's how it is with religion too: you have to read both books in their original language to find out for yourself which one is the Truth: you can read the Bible in American and the quran in arabic.

As for the significance and necessity of Jesus' temporary death: that's pretty self-evident to anyone who has read even just parts of the Bible. Imagine knowing about True Truth once you've read ALL of the KJV 1611 Bible.

Like monks you mean?

We are Baptists, we don't have monks. I suppose the monk dress code could be a contributing factor. Baptist men dress like men. We don't wear bras or panties in public either.

Nor can I see how God would want Iran to be "wiped off the map".

It wasn't a point I wanted to press; if they convert to a Christian nation, then why would any harm have to come to them?

This is the issue we discussed a while back about whether morals or opinions or attitudes, whatever you want to call them, change over time.

Yes, they certainly change, but the holy book is still the same. No change. Ever. The Amish seem to be able to get it to an extent, so why can't we?

I believe they do (certain ones at least) and you believe they don't.

Oh, we certainly acknowledge with increasing panic that the world is changing away from God. That is why Sarah Palin must be elected so that she can mandate a Christianization of our entire country. I believe that "in God we trust" must be printed not only on money, but on every item that is sold in US stores. If they can put "made in China" on everything, then they certainly have a place to mention God as well, right?

[God's Flaming Sword]

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Having spent ages catching up on this thread after a few days away from the forum carrying out Godly works (beating up a few fags and spreading the Good Word) I find that the thread has been totally derailed by heathens trying to divert attention away from the fact that the earth is flat.

Don't let them divert you Brethern.

[noncognitivist]

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I know the overall point you're trying to make: you're saying that people of different religions follow their religion with approximately the same fervor and each claim that theirs is the right one.

Exactly, I couldn't have put it better myself. And they each have their own reasons for claiming that theirs is the right one, your reason being that Jesus died for you. I never quite understood why he needed to do that actually, why can't you (or why couldn't your predecessors at the time of Jesus - who were in fact Jews, come to think of it...) just, you know, not "sin"?

Would you prefer to follow a prophet who died for your sins so that you can go to Heaven or would you prefer to follow one who's going to rape (but marry ) your child?

Personally I don't need any prophet, but thanks.

Do you REALLY want to follow a religion where the men wear dresses like woman.

Like monks you mean? ;-)

I mean that just because you find a parallel or some qualitative link in some respects, does not mean you can equate two completely different things.

Ah ok, thanks for the explanation. It depends what those completely different things are, and whether they really are completely different. I was simply drawing parallels.

I don't see how God wanted 9/11 to happen, sorry.

Neither do I - or rather I wouldn't, if I believed in God. Nor can I see how God would want Iran to be "wiped off the map".

So you're saying that it's okay to follow religion AS LONG AS people don't ACTUALLY follow it?

This is the issue we discussed a while back about whether morals or opinions or attitudes, whatever you want to call them, change over time. I believe they do (certain ones at least) and you believe they don't.

If the Bible says that God wants that people should be stoned for certain infractions, then who are we to say "no God, let's not".

I'm not sure you'd like my answer to that, as you'd probably see it as rather blasphemous.

[GOD=life]

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An evil atheist has compared Islam with Christianity and a Muslim extremist tells him/her (in Arabic)...

I know the overall point you're trying to make: you're saying that people of different religions follow their religion with approximately the same fervor and each claim that theirs is the right one. Thus, the question arises: how do we know that our religion is the right one if they follow theirs with equal passion are are even way ahead of us in terms of implementing Biblical law?

I will touch upon several points briefly:

1. Think about it this way: in islame, the prophet muhammad (spit be upon him) did NOT die for our sins. Jesus Christ for died about 3 days, their prophet didn't die 3 seconds for us.

2. Would you prefer to follow a prophet who died for your sins so that you can go to Heaven or would you prefer to follow one who's going to rape (but marry ) your child?

3. Do you REALLY want to follow a religion where the men wear dresses like woman and their praying involves simulating being sexually dominated in the anus by another man? As Christians, we pray like men, not like gays.

That's such an obscure answer that I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. I'll have to have a think about it and get back to you.

I mean that just because you find a parallel or some qualitative link in some respects, does not mean you can equate two completely different things.

Exactly, you basically have the same book. I'm not sure who borrowed what from whom, but I would take it as a compliment if I were you.

Their book does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as our Savior, so how can it be "the same book"?

If someone took the book of Darwin and adapted it to say that we evolved from plants instead of having a common ancestor with the apes, would you still want it to be taught in classrooms as fact? No, because it would be a ridiculous perversion.

You have the same God anyway

I don't see how God wanted 9/11 to happen, sorry. The mooslims who perpetrated 9/11 were "good" mooslims in the sense that they at least followed their holy book.

... it's just extremists of both religions who decide to interpret their holy book literally and advocate stoning that I find objectionable.

So you're saying that it's okay to follow religion AS LONG AS people don't ACTUALLY follow it? If the Bible says that God wants that people should be stoned for certain infractions, then who are we to say "no God, let's not".

[noncognitivist]

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I think "you Brits" ought to spend a bit more time brushing your teeth and little less time being a smart alec on OUR Christian forum!

At least someone understands light-hearted banter! :-D

[noncognitivist]

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Just because a religion is a world religion and followed by many people does not mean it's true. Since Christianity and islame are mutually exclusive, they cannot be both true at the same time. One has to be false and the Bible states that islame is false.

Imagine a forum just like this in a Muslim country. An evil atheist has compared Islam with Christianity and a Muslim extremist tells him/her (in Arabic):

Just because a religion is a world religion and followed by many people does not mean it's true. Since Islam and christianitye are mutually exclusive, they cannot be both true at the same time. One has to be false and the Qur'an states that christianitye is false.

False comparison: do you eat animal meat? What if a chinaman came over and come ate your pet dog or cat? Would you be satisfied with the argument "you eat meat, I eat meat... no diffelence" ?

That's such an obscure answer that I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. I'll have to have a think about it and get back to you.

Since islame is derived from Christianity, so I suppose they didn't scrap ALL the good parts, they just adjusted it and claimed it as their own. Plagiarists....!!!

Exactly, you basically have the same book. I'm not sure who borrowed what from whom, but I would take it as a compliment if I were you.
You have the same God anyway - "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God". In fact it's even used by Christians with Arabic as their native language to refer to "their" (and "your") God.

Exactly, so you cannot blame mooslims for wanting to stone people WITHOUT blaming them for following the qur'an. You cannot say "go ahead and follow your holy book" and demand they do it in a way contrary to their holy book. That's just twisted.

Don't worry, I'm not saying Islam is great and Christianity is terrible. I have nothing against religion per se, it's just extremists of both religions who decide to interpret their holy book literally and advocate stoning that I find objectionable.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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I think you'll see I was using something called irony. We Brits are good at that ;-)

I think "you Brits" ought to spend a bit more time brushing your teeth and little less time being a smart alec on OUR Christian forum!

[noncognitivist]

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I think you'll see you weren't.

I think you'll see I was using something called irony. We Brits are good at that ;-)

[noncognitivist]

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Woah there, friend. I've been agreeing with most of what you said and then I saw this. I have many female Muslim friends who wear the hijab, and they are NOT oppressed. That is a very stereotypical Western view, which assumes anything that is unlike their own culture is wrong.

In fact, Muslim women wear the headscarf for personal reasons, not because they are oppressed. In fact, many say that it is very liberating and empowering to do so.

It's great that you've been agreeing with most of what I said, which makes it all the more important that I answer your comment and explain myself. You're absolutely right, and I realise that what I've said can easily be misunderstood. I also have many female Muslim friends, some of whom where the hijab, and some of whom don't. There are of course women who make the choice to wear it for religious reasons, which is absolutely fine, I would never criticise that. But in Iran at least (I'm aware that I'm focusing on one country a lot, but that's the one I know the most about) all women have to cover their heads when they're in public or they could get in a lot of trouble with the law. Iranian women that I know who don't make the choice to wear the hijab for religious reasons have a very negative opinion of the situation, which is what I had been trying to get accross - though perhaps in too much of a simplified way, as I was only using it as an example.

[GOD=life]

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Sooo... You preach a world religion, they preach a world religion...

Just because a religion is a world religion and followed by many people does not mean it's true. Since Christianity and islame are mutually exclusive, they cannot be both true at the same time. One has to be false and the Bible states that islame is false.

Iran wants a Middle Eastern country wiped off the map, you want a Middle Eastern country wiped off the map...

False comparison: do you eat animal meat? What if a chinaman came over and come ate your pet dog or cat? Would you be satisfied with the argument "you eat meat, I eat meat... no diffelence" ?

Iran preaches the oppression of women... you preach the oppression of women in a multitude of other ways...

You have it wrong:

1. God tells us to read the Bible
2. We read the Bible
3. We conclude that we must tell people to follow the Bible
3. The Bible says women must server their husbands (but NOT in a way that is oppressive)
4. We say "the Bible says that women.... etc"

Our view of the position of women should not be seen as one that is independent of the views repeatedly advocated by the Bible. We didn't make it up and we didn't write it down.

Since islame is derived from Christianity, so I suppose they didn't scrap ALL the good parts, they just adjusted it and claimed it as their own. Plagiarists....!!!

The Muslims advocate following the Qur'an. It is the Qur'an that advocates stoning people...

Exactly, so you cannot blame mooslims for wanting to stone people WITHOUT blaming them for following the qur'an. You cannot say "go ahead and follow your holy book" and demand they do it in a way contrary to their holy book. That's just twisted.

Yes, the differences are just enormous, what was I thinking??

Do you want a Biblical response to that?