[wait_what]

Re: Angyal

blah blah blah

There are seval issues I have, but for starters:

We husbands are to love our spouse as Christ loves the Church. I am my beloved's and He is mine. Yet I see a that it is encouraged for husbands to "beat" their spouses. This is a practice associated with redical Musims. On what grounds does your fellowship base the beating of spouses? This was never the attitude exemplified by Christ.

I know some of you see this as a joke. Lets all have a grown up discussion, if you like.

This is a very real and grown up discussion. First off, much of the scripture has already been quoted to you. I suggest you grab a KJV and look it up.

Second to answer your fluffy bunny attempt at what a marriage should be:

"We husbands are to love our spouse as Christ loves the Church."

Did He not beat the church when it was wayward?

Moses barely stopped Him from killing them all when they were practicing idolatry.

Pretty sure Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah, Job, the temple attendees, and any other number of events would be evidence of God giving hard love to the church so that the people could properly learn their lesson. So wives are loved as He loves the church. When they are out of line, they are put back in line for their own good and salvation.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Angyal

You guys got me... The more I read the more it became clear... This whole thing is a joke. Thanks for the laughs.

That is very rude. Christianity is not a joke.

[RealBaptist]

Re: Angyal

You guys got me... The more I read the more it became clear... This whole thing is a joke. Thanks for the laughs.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Angyal

You did not comprehend. I didn;t address your question. I am my beloved's and he is mine is SoS 6:3. It gets kind of confusing when addressing multiple posts.

Now, to address your question:
Eph5:33
Mal2:14
Gen2:18
Eph4:31
Eph5:25
Col3:19

Our wives are not punching bags. We are to love them as Christ loves us and gave Himself for us. When we marry, we become one flesh. We do not beat ourselves for iniquity. We need to train our children with the love that Christ has for us. The Heavenly father will deal with the heart of our spouse. Christ never gave us authority to beat our wives. We are no longer under the law, for the law does not save.

On a legal perspective, our wives, like any citizen, have the right to not be battered. As adults, we have God given free will and choice. As Christian men, we are to set the example of how to live without physicaly or mentaly harming our spouse. Prov 15:10 speaks on someone, man or woman, who choses a sinful life. But punishment is up to our Heavenly father. We are not to parent our spouse.

Have you ever even opened a Bible (well other than to masturbate to the imagery in the Songs of Solomon).

Where does the Bible say that the law is done?
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


2nd Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

As for the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, either you or your pastor is just making that up, because nowhere does it say that dying unsaved is Blasphemy. Sure, they're going to Hell, but not because they blasphemed the Holy Ghost.

Definition of BLASPHEMY

1
a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity

2
: irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable

Wives are to obey their husbands in all things. First we are the property of our fathers, and then our husbands.

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.



Matthew 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
(Did Jesus condemn this action?)

1st Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.


1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.


1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.


1st Peter 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

As for Jesus not correcting us.

Proverbs 26:3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

John 2:13-16 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Hebrews 12:7-9 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

[RealBaptist]

Re: Angyal

None of this says a man should not chasten his wife. I did point out to you that God chastens man, up to but not past the point of death. You have not responded to that point.

Maybe you should figure out the Quote feature so people know to whom you are responding.

I figured you could have figured out who I was addressing. I'm getting use to the quote feature.

As iron sharpens iron. We are not called to raise a hand againt our wife. We are to love them the way CHrist loves us.

As for God diciplining us, He is out heavenly Father. His dealing with us are devine an reserved for his Holiness. Just as God does not temp but will not completely isolate us from temptation, He will not punish till death but does not make us invincible; hench the sin unto death.

[RealBaptist]

Re: Angyal

[QUOTE=BelieverInGod;733133]Doesn't explain why you have a "He" as a "wife".

As for the rest

Well yeah, of course.

Please point out the scripture that says this, because I thought "blaspheme against the Holy Ghost" MEANT blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. But hey, obviously I don't have your magic reading goggles.

There is only one unforgivable sin. A sinner who is not repentant can not have his sine washed away. He will die and be tossed for his sins. The rejection of the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. Magic reading goggles? A defence mechanism I'm suspecting...

Jesus never picked up a whip? Jesus never called people vipers or dogs? Exactly which Bible are you reading? Women are not told to submit to their husbands? Men are not told to be the masters of their households?[/

Jesus did. He drove out the money changers. The Bible never once spoke about Jesus driving out a believer from his house. Never once.

Col3:
18Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

19Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

Eph5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

I see nothing to justify a beating. Christ does not beat us when we sin on a daily basis. For all man have sinned and fallen short.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Angyal

You did not comprehend. I didn;t address your question. I am my beloved's and he is mine is SoS 6:3. It gets kind of confusing when addressing multiple posts.

Now, to address your question:
Eph5:33
Mal2:14
Gen2:18
Eph4:31
Eph5:25
Col3:19

Our wives are not punching bags. We are to love them as Christ loves us and gave Himself for us. When we marry, we become one flesh. We do not beat ourselves for iniquity. We need to train our children with the love that Christ has for us. The Heavenly father will deal with the heart of our spouse. Christ never gave us authority to beat our wives. We are no longer under the law, for the law does not save.

On a legal perspective, our wives, like any citizen, have the right to not be battered. As adults, we have God given free will and choice. As Christian men, we are to set the example of how to live without physicaly or mentaly harming our spouse. Prov 15:10 speaks on someone, man or woman, who choses a sinful life. But punishment is up to our Heavenly father. We are not to parent our spouse.

None of this says a man should not chasten his wife. I did point out to you that God chastens man, up to but not past the point of death. You have not responded to that point.

Maybe you should figure out the Quote feature so people know to whom you are responding.

[RealBaptist]

Re: Angyal

Song of Solomon 6:3 does not say anything about a man not disciplining his wife.

It was also written centuries before God came to Earth as Jesus.

If that's the route you wish to take:

Psalm 118:18

The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.



Care to try again? This time, perhaps with something relevant to my question?

You did not comprehend. I didn;t address your question. I am my beloved's and he is mine is SoS 6:3. It gets kind of confusing when addressing multiple posts.

Now, to address your question:
Eph5:33
Mal2:14
Gen2:18
Eph4:31
Eph5:25
Col3:19

Our wives are not punching bags. We are to love them as Christ loves us and gave Himself for us. When we marry, we become one flesh. We do not beat ourselves for iniquity. We need to train our children with the love that Christ has for us. The Heavenly father will deal with the heart of our spouse. Christ never gave us authority to beat our wives. We are no longer under the law, for the law does not save.

On a legal perspective, our wives, like any citizen, have the right to not be battered. As adults, we have God given free will and choice. As Christian men, we are to set the example of how to live without physicaly or mentaly harming our spouse. Prov 15:10 speaks on someone, man or woman, who choses a sinful life. But punishment is up to our Heavenly father. We are not to parent our spouse.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Angyal

Obviously not gay. Is that a real response or a defence mechanism?

SoS 6:3.

It paints a lovely picture of how Christ loves his church. What were you taught?

You said your wife was a He, what am I supposed to think? You're talking about your wife.

Anyway, the real SoS 6:3 is I am my beloved’s, and my beloved is mine: He feedeth among the lilies.



So exactly which (per)version of the Bible are you using?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Angyal

Obviously not gay. Is that a real response or a defence mechanism?

SoS 6:3.

It paints a lovely picture of how Christ loves his church. What were you taught?

Song of Solomon 6:3 does not say anything about a man not disciplining his wife.

It was also written centuries before God came to Earth as Jesus.

If that's the route you wish to take:

Psalm 118:18

The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.



Care to try again? This time, perhaps with something relevant to my question?

[RealBaptist]

Re: Angyal

Obviously not gay. Is that a real response or a defence mechanism?

SoS 6:3.

It paints a lovely picture of how Christ loves his church. What were you taught?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Angyal

Please show me where the Bible says that a man should not discipline his wife.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Angyal

I typed that quite fast. As you can all understand, I meant to say washed WITH the blood of Christ.

Sorry, I didn't see an EDIT option.

Doesn't explain why you have a "He" as a "wife".

As for the rest

The only way to salvation is through repentance and tbeing washed from the blood of Christ.

Well yeah, of course.

Physical death without Salvation is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, the sin which will not be forgiven.

Please point out the scripture that says this, because I thought "blaspheme against the Holy Ghost" MEANT blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. But hey, obviously I don't have your magic reading goggles.

On what grounds does your fellowship base the beating of spouses? This was never the attitude exemplified by Christ.

Jesus never picked up a whip? Jesus never called people vipers or dogs? Exactly which Bible are you reading? Women are not told to submit to their husbands? Men are not told to be the masters of their households?

[RealBaptist]

Re: Angyal

I typed that quite fast. As you can all understand, I meant to say washed WITH the blood of Christ.

Sorry, I didn't see an EDIT option.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Angyal

Sorry to keep some of you hanging in suspense. I had a wonderful evening with my wife. I probably should post this discussion in a different thread. Please let me know if you would like me to.

No, first and foremost, there is one fundamental that can not be compromised, interpreted or deconstructed: The only way to salvation is through repentance and tbeing washed from the blood of Christ. Physical death without Salvation is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, the sin which will not be forgiven. I do not question your salvation. I question your doctrine and practices.

There are seval issues I have, but for starters:

We husbands are to love our spouse as Christ loves the Church. I am my beloved's and He is mine. Yet I see a that it is encouraged for husbands to "beat" their spouses. This is a practice associated with redical Musims. On what grounds does your fellowship base the beating of spouses? This was never the attitude exemplified by Christ.

I know some of you see this as a joke. Lets all have a grown up discussion, if you like.

So you're Gay.....

Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. (And we all know what God did to Sodom)

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

15:11-12 And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

22:45-46 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, and his might that he shewed, and how he warred, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah? 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2 Kings 23:7 And he[Josiah] brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. (some believe this says the Antichrist will be gay)

Romans 1:27-31 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Corintians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

As for the rest, that's just your opinion, I see no scripture to back up your beliefs.