[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Mars

LINK

I can't do that Red due to the fact that I don't think there's a "god" to pray to. Do you want me to lie? It would be a lie for me to pray, and I don't lie to you (which is why you give me bad rep.) so why should I lie to God?



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning

That is a place, not a time. We don't know where that place is but we do know when it was

Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God made the plants and put them on the Earth, but first there were 4 things that took place

#1. get rid of the mist that went up from the Earth (science knows that this is true)
#2. cause it to rain (science knows this too)
#3. make Man
#4. plant a garden

verse 5 tells us that the plants were made FIRST, #1 #2 #3 #4 CAME NEXT (if you want to rule out #4 and just have 3 things, I don't mind) but the point, God's point, is plain. The plants were not hung in the sky til #1 #2 #3 and #4 were done were they?

We are told where they were.

Genesis 2:10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. 11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. 13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. 14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

LINK

When men go to new lands they name things for some place "at home" and it's the same here, on the Earth. A new "York" would get "New York" say but lakes and things tend to get new names so it's no big deal that we named things like that when we got here (Earth) from X (where we were when God did #1 #2 #3 #4) and that we can't find them now. They're not here. That's what your book says so I take that on board. Hope that helps.

But the big thing for me is, where would we go when we died?

Acts 1: 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

PLEASE NOTE: I have not used the words "space man" or "star trek"

Now you say that where he went, we will go too. Where did those two white men come from? How did they get here? And if he went up at the speed we walk, he'd now be at Mars. I DO NOT THINK HE'S ON MARS but I do think it means the same place as where the plants were made.

Bear in mind that Man was the LAST THING put on the Earth and that man was made when there were no plants ON THE EARTH (and I don't think they'd just hang in the air til God came to plant them).

God taught men from a time when there were no men on Earth (and no Earth)

Proverbs 8:22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

We don't know where that was but we know it had a name and that it is a place (not a time). We are told it's where we are bound (a place) at the end of time (a time).

Jeremiah 17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary.

Which is where we came in, I think.

Can anyone make a head nor tail of this scripture twisting?

[Adam Fag]

Re: Mars

Why do you need to ask us what we think? What God thinks is there in the Bible. Oh yes, I forgot, you're desperate to twist scripture to mean space aliens.

Just read it! It means what it says.

LINK

an ancient Christian way of prayerfully reading the Bible that arose out of the ascetics and monastics of early Christian society……away from phones, music, television, the internet……find a room in your home, or maybe a corner in your own bedroom,

I can't do that Red due to the fact that I don't think there's a "god" to pray to. Do you want me to lie? It would be a lie for me to pray, and I don't lie to you (which is why you give me bad rep.) so why should I lie to God?

means what it says.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning

That is a place, not a time. We don't know where that place is but we do know when it was

Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God made the plants and put them on the Earth, but first there were 4 things that took place

#1. get rid of the mist that went up from the Earth (science knows that this is true)
#2. cause it to rain (science knows this too)
#3. make Man
#4. plant a garden

verse 5 tells us that the plants were made FIRST, #1 #2 #3 #4 CAME NEXT (if you want to rule out #4 and just have 3 things, I don't mind) but the point, God's point, is plain. The plants were not hung in the sky til #1 #2 #3 and #4 were done were they?

We are told where they were.

Genesis 2:10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. 11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. 13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. 14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

LINK

When men go to new lands they name things for some place "at home" and it's the same here, on the Earth. A new "York" would get "New York" say but lakes and things tend to get new names so it's no big deal that we named things like that when we got here (Earth) from X (where we were when God did #1 #2 #3 #4) and that we can't find them now. They're not here. That's what your book says so I take that on board. Hope that helps.

But the big thing for me is, where would we go when we died?

Acts 1: 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

PLEASE NOTE: I have not used the words "space man" or "star trek"

Now you say that where he went, we will go too. Where did those two white men come from? How did they get here? And if he went up at the speed we walk, he'd now be at Mars. I DO NOT THINK HE'S ON MARS but I do think it means the same place as where the plants were made.

Bear in mind that Man was the LAST THING put on the Earth and that man was made when there were no plants ON THE EARTH (and I don't think they'd just hang in the air til God came to plant them).

God taught men from a time when there were no men on Earth (and no Earth)

Proverbs 8:22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

We don't know where that was but we know it had a name and that it is a place (not a time). We are told it's where we are bound (a place) at the end of time (a time).

Jeremiah 17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary.

Which is where we came in, I think.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Mars

Oh, I don't drink, Bib. And I do heed what you all say. If there's a bit I don't "get" I ask you, what you think - and you tell me. I don't do that to be "rude" or "crass" but to find out. Your book is Old and I'm keen to see what you'll say some parts mean. I'm not so daft as to go and ask at a Zen school. I ask you. And there's much more I'd like to know so please bear with me. You do make me think, I must say and when I use the nerve aid it assists me in processing all the interesting comments I receive.

Thanks

Why do you need to ask us what we think? What God thinks is there in the Bible. Oh yes, I forgot, you're desperate to twist scripture to mean space aliens.

Just read it! It means what it says.

[Adam Fag]

Re: Mars

Mr. Ski, those poisonous mushrooms God put on this Earth were for breaking down dead wood, not for eating and taking your mind off of Jesus.

Ephesians 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1 Peter 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer

I'm not sure what kind of creature I'm appearing to you as right now, but I can assure you, you need to stop altering that mind of yours and start filling it with the Word of God!

Praise Jesus!

Oh, I don't drink, Bib. And I do heed what you all say. If there's a bit I don't "get" I ask you, what you think - and you tell me. I don't do that to be "rude" or "crass" but to find out. Your book is Old and I'm keen to see what you'll say some parts mean. I'm not so daft as to go and ask at a Zen school. I ask you. And there's much more I'd like to know so please bear with me. You do make me think, I must say and when I use the nerve aid it assists me in processing all the interesting comments I receive.

Thanks

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Well I have to say I'm shocked by the direspectfull tone of the above Adamski post and am (as ever) in awe of Pastor Zeke's thoughtful and measured response.

Kudos to you, sir; kudos!

Job 9:4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?

Jesus is Light!
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[Bill R. Briscoe]

Re: Mars

Thank you - I can't find the thread/post where it said God was wrong to say what he did in DAY 2 and DAY 6 but I do not say that and I don't tell lies. I do put what I think, at the time, and ask "why" or "how" and do read what you have to say too. I'll go and look at my nerve aid for a bit now, it's a great help I find as if a thought goes in one side and then something happens and a new thought comes out at you from the other side. It just takes 2 or 3 hours.

I've got a few more here if you'd like to try them out I could send 1 or 2 (but I can't post on your home page)

Mr. Ski, those poisonous mushrooms God put on this Earth were for breaking down dead wood, not for eating and taking your mind off of Jesus.

Ephesians 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1 Peter 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer

I'm not sure what kind of creature I'm appearing to you as right now, but I can assure you, you need to stop altering that mind of yours and start filling it with the Word of God!

Praise Jesus!

[Adam Fag]

Re: Mars

Have you never noticed when planting a plant that there is a point before you plant it when it is not in the earth?

You're really trying, I'll grant you, but alas your space aliens and other worlds seem no closer to existing.

Thank you - I can't find the thread/post where it said God was wrong to say what he did in DAY 2 and DAY 6 but I do not say that and I don't tell lies. I do put what I think, at the time, and ask "why" or "how" and do read what you have to say too. I'll go and look at my nerve aid for a bit now, it's a great help I find as if a thought goes in one side and then something happens and a new thought comes out at you from the other side. It just takes 2 or 3 hours.

I've got a few more here if you'd like to try them out I could send 1 or 2 (but I can't post on your home page)

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Mars

GENESIS 2
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created , in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground

Have you never noticed when planting a plant that there is a point before you plant it when it is not in the earth?

You're really trying, I'll grant you, but alas your space aliens and other worlds seem no closer to existing.

[Adam Fag]

Re: Mars

Satan and so on…

True Christian response
I don't say that. Mad men are mad all the time. God is not. Why would you have "God" mad?

[Adam Fag]

Re: Mars

GENESIS 2
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created , in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground

[Holyfield]

Re: Mars

Satan wants us to believe that aliens are some sort of peaceful technologically advanced race with creative powers. But that is not true. Aliens are demons and devils!

UFOs, ALIEN ABDUCTIONS AND SPACE ALIENS ARE REAL!

Only God is good!


Mark 10:18"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Mars

***blah blah blah ****

Yes he does, see Gen 2 - we're so close in what we think. It MUST BE SO if God says it was that way - but God does not say where the plants were made, though - so why did God say it if it were not true?

***** SCREEEEEEEECH!!!! *****

Please point out to me exactly where in Genesis 2 that God says He took things from another planet and put them on Earth.

You keep trying to make it look like God has some Home Depot on another celestial body, but there simply isn't any Scriptural basis for that lunacy.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Mars

Yes he does, see Gen 2 - we're so close in what we think.

No, we're not.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Mars

That's all well and good but how are you going to go to Heaven?

[Adam Fag]

Re: Mars

I don't want to make a great big long post but must tell you what I've done for a week or two, now.

There are a lot of threads and at first I'd just read a few. I took the time to read a lot more. Now I can see that you do think a God made the world - by speech it seems - and that your God put life here and then killed it all. A few were saved and then most of them were cursed, killed or maimed due to God and due to their own "wrong" thoughts. That is if their thoughts were not mad they were killed. Age or sex did not rank. That is called Love.

Next your God wrote your book by the pen in mens' hands (just like all the "false" Gods) but your book is the one that's true. It tells us things which could not be known at the time, things which the "false" books don't say such as that the Earth and the Sun and Moon were made and did not use to be here at all.

Real false books do not say that. They say the Earth was here for all time and will be BUT IT WON'T. So far so good. Your book is right. The "false" books are false. The Earth has a start and the Earth has an end, as we now know to be FACT. The false books are full of rot and so the "false" gods must be false too.

I can't start a new thread so will put my thoughts here and thank you all for your posts.

post#30 Ezekiel Bathfire

I think we all know where the ice came from but I was glad to see that you read a broad range of stuff.

from your link -> that's not bad, not bad at all. I won't grab the rest of Walt Brown's stuff though, you don't think it's too good PLUS well, is he blind? or mad? or both?

Made me think

post#49 Rev. M. Rodimer

"This fold" = the Jews. Jesus came and spoke to the Jews.
Outside "this fold" = Gentiles. The apostles carried Christianity to the Gentiles, who were outside "the fold".

Luke was not a Jew LINK

Luke was a Gentile. He is the only New Testament writer who was not a Jew. He addressed his gospel to a fellow Gentile, named Theophilus.

That should do for now.

post#57 Redeemed Papist

I have no time for "code" or "we the few who know" or "this" or "that" the words mean what they say and I take them as they are. But old words have changed - "Gay" shows that trend quite well - and where we have words from a dead world to deal with we need to look at what we have NOW to glimpse what they meant THEN (see #30). So far we're all on the same wave length

post#104 Faith_Machine

You seem to "get it" but there is just one thing. I don't say it is so, I just think, "could it be so" and I must add we ARE those "space men" the "sons of gods" and the fact that God made us does not mean that we're not. If the Sun were the only star, if the stars weren't the same as the sun (but far off) and if they don't have life and if life on Earth is all the life there is GOD STILL MADE LIFE IN SPACE! We are that life and if "Sons of God" did not come to Earth and cross breed with us we are still space men.
The Earth is still in space

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

All life on Earth has come here on a ship but where did it come from?

post#106 Lady Effect

You're on the ball, aren't you Eff? I read a post (which I can't find now) that said Man was made twice = pre plants and post plants but that post is wrong. Your book does not say two things, I think, it just says the one thing so here we go

Genesis 2:4,5 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

So where were they? Next God made man

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

and next God put plants here, on our Earth, so that Man would have somewhere to live

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed

Where did God form the man?

Next God made the plants he'd moved to Earth, grow for the man (or else he'd starve)

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The plants were not here first. God made them first, just not on this Earth. If it were not so he would have told us. And he DID tell us. We don't have to guess, it's writ in black and white. All we have to do is read it. Do you read it Eff? Do you think it's true? I do. Or do you think it's all lies?

posts#113&#116 Faith_Machine

Explain to me, please, exactly how life that evolved on another planet, completely separated from ours, could possibly wind up producing a species of intelligent life that was "the same as us"?

God did it and, your next point, they are not "the same as" us, they are us.

Actually, we do know exactly how life came to be on Earth. Read Genesis.

Job done, see Gen 2.

post#120 Zechariah Smyth

I'll be very direct here: God does not mention taking things from other planets and depositing them here, SO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Yes he does, see Gen 2 - we're so close in what we think. It MUST BE SO if God says it was that way - but God does not say where the plants were made, though - so why did God say it if it were not true?