[Mary Etheldreda]

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also the bible can interpretted different ways so there is no defenitive right or wrong

The Holy Bible can be interpreted in different ways, but only when the Holy Bible is used to interpret itself is it correct. The catholic church, on the other hand, changes its mind constantly in the matters of belief and faith. Consider the following examples:

It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.

- Council of Basel Session 19, 7 September 1434 (available at http://www.piar.hu/councils/ecum17.htm)

VS.

This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.

- Vatican II, Dignitatis Humanae, 7 December 1965 (available at http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_c...umanae_en.html)

Which is it? Which pope understood God's Will and comprehended the real mechanics of justification by ignoring the Holy Bible and using his imagination to pretend the Holy Spirit is talking to him in his head?

[Jack O'fagan]

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1 Corinthians 11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.





They can't even get the basics right


YIC


Jack

[LogicalCatholic]

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We're not debating. We are right and you are wrong.

Lots of people claim to be Christians while not being Christians. Catholics are just one example.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Repent much when you were an infant?

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Jesus Himself put down people who want to worship Mary. Face it, you're part of a pagan cult pretending to be Christian and coming up with a mishmash of ancestor worship and mother veneration with a sprinkle of Jesus. Why else would you work so hard to stop people reading the Bible and to just follow dogma?

Go and read a Bible. Then compare it to what your priests taught you. It worked for me!

We are a part of christianity face it, until there is an official announcement stating that catholicism is'nt part of christianity
we're here to stay also the bible can interpretted different ways so there is no defenitive right or wrong

[LogicalCatholic]

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He's just telling you what you're already supposed to know and believe as a Catholic.

Galatians 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"



Ok, then, let's go to the horse's ass mouth:



Yup, THAT Vatican. Note the absence of the words allegorical, symbolic, or metaphorical.



How many Baptist crusades have there been? Protestant Inquisitions? Anglican Holocausts?



For the Biblically ignorant: Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love?



He doesn't want you to go to Hell. I'd say that's about as loving as he can be.

Thanks mate i just don't apprecitate the bashing of my religion & why would i go to hell ? i

[LogicalCatholic]

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Sometimes plain talk is needed in order for people to see the mistakes they are making. You've had the Word of God twisted and misshapen by child-molesting "priests" for so long that when confronted with the bald truth you mistake it for poor manners.

Shame on you.

You insult a sect of christianty needlessly we are one & the same christians
regardless of any differences i do not insult baptism so show the same respect to catholicism

[Redeemed Papist]

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wow those are low blows i thought a man of god would be more civilized in debate though i guess you guys are the exception it is not a death cult it is a sect of christianity if you can't accept that like i have baptism then i guess you have no honor by the way retarded means slow don't use a word you don't know the meaning of

We're not debating. We are right and you are wrong.

Lots of people claim to be Christians while not being Christians. Catholics are just one example.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Repent much when you were an infant?

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Jesus Himself put down people who want to worship Mary. Face it, you're part of a pagan cult pretending to be Christian and coming up with a mishmash of ancestor worship and mother veneration with a sprinkle of Jesus. Why else would you work so hard to stop people reading the Bible and to just follow dogma?

Go and read a Bible. Then compare it to what your priests taught you. It worked for me!

[LogicalCatholic]

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Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Eating crackers and pretending they magically turn into Jesus and praying to dead people using vain repetitions and bowing down to idols is not the will of God. It's the will of Popes.

what's wrong with you at least have respect for the religion you were once in
there was a time where men were kind to others even in arguement all sects of christianity are almost the same other than a few different traditons & all that aside we all worship christ why do you not acknowledge this thing we have in common why do you reject a fellow religion that has the same goal To lead mankind to their salvation

[Didymus Much]

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I never knew a man of god could be so uncivilized...

He's just telling you what you're already supposed to know and believe as a Catholic.

Galatians 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"

...& why would i trust a source provided by you purely biased to your agenda...

Ok, then, let's go to the horse's ass mouth:

1353 In the epiclesis, the Church asks the Father to send his Holy Spirit (or the power of his blessing) on the bread and wine, so that by his power they may become the body and blood of Jesus Christ and so that those who take part in the Eucharist may be one body and one spirit (some liturgical traditions put the epiclesis after the anamnesis).
In the institution narrative, the power of the words and the action of Christ, and the power of the Holy Spirit, make sacramentally present under the species of bread and wine Christ's body and blood, his sacrifice offered on the cross once for all.

from: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P40.HTM

Yup, THAT Vatican. Note the absence of the words allegorical, symbolic, or metaphorical.

...Catholicism is no worse or better than any other sect of christianity...

How many Baptist crusades have there been? Protestant Inquisitions? Anglican Holocausts?

...Love thy Neighbors my friend...

For the Biblically ignorant: Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love?

...& lately you've been less than loving

He doesn't want you to go to Hell. I'd say that's about as loving as he can be.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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wow those are low blows i thought a man of god would be more civilized in debate though i guess you guys are the exception it is not a death cult it is a sect of christianity if you can't accept that like i have baptism then i guess you have no honor by the way retarded means slow don't use a word you don't know the meaning of

Sometimes plain talk is needed in order for people to see the mistakes they are making. You've had the Word of God twisted and misshapen by child-molesting "priests" for so long that when confronted with the bald truth you mistake it for poor manners.

Shame on you.

[LogicalCatholic]

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You aren't praying FOR her: you're praying TO her.

Big difference.

Even that retarded "Hail Mary" nonsense is a mangling of Luke 1:28, and the only time the phrase "full of grace" is mentioned in the Bible is when it is referring to Jesus:

(John 1:14) "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

At least learn a little about your death cult before coming here to tepidly defend it.

Yours in Christ (NOT MARY),

Z. Smyth

wow those are low blows i thought a man of god would be more civilized in debate though i guess you guys are the exception it is not a death cult it is a sect of christianity if you can't accept that like i have baptism then i guess you have no honor by the way retarded means slow don't use a word you don't know the meaning of

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I'm sorry friend But that last qoute can mean that not all christians will go to heaven & on the subject of mary we don't worship her alone we just pray for her a little bit is there anything wrong with that

You aren't praying FOR her: you're praying TO her.

Big difference.

Even that retarded "Hail Mary" nonsense is a mangling of Luke 1:28, and the only time the phrase "full of grace" is mentioned in the Bible is when it is referring to Jesus:

(John 1:14) "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

At least learn a little about your death cult before coming here to tepidly defend it.

Yours in Christ (NOT MARY),

Z. Smyth

[Redeemed Papist]

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i'm sorry friend but it's simple logic a man worships christ he is christian
not all christians will be accepted into heaven but anyone can become one

Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Eating crackers and pretending they magically turn into Jesus and praying to dead people using vain repetitions and bowing down to idols is not the will of God. It's the will of Popes.

[Redeemed Papist]

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It's not human flesh Therefore it's not cannibalism
& i'll let you read this little snippet

that, in the Eucharist, the substance of wheat bread and grape wine changes into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus,[1] while all that is accessible to the senses (the appearances - species in Latin) remains as before.[2][3][4]

Meaning that it is not flesh ever in touch, smell, taste, or, sight

Yes, we know it doesn't REALLY change into anything different at all because your priests are lying. People have to IMAGINE really hard and deceive themselves. How is that different to lying?

[LogicalCatholic]

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Wikipedia? Are you seriously quoting Wikipedia to reference Catholic doctrine?

And you didn't even understand it correctly. "Changes into the substance of" means "turns into flesh and blood," but you just can't tell that it has changed. Not that "it is not flesh and blood". Therefore, you believe that you are eating Jesus' flesh and blood.

How about a real source?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm

It is the basic belief that the cracker and the wine transform into the FLESH and BLOOD of Jesus, inhabited by Him.

Therefore, it is ritual cannibalism, and even more ridiculous, the belief that your "magic man" priest has the power to call Jesus into crackers, and that you are EATING JESUS (and then apparently shitting Him out later).

I never knew a man of god could be so uncivilized
look it's just symbolic there is no possible way that we could obtain jesus's flesh & blood & calling us cannibals is a pretty distasteful thing for you to say
& why would i trust a source provided by you purely biased to your agenda
Catholicism is no worse or better than any other sect of christianity Love thy Neighbors my friend & lately you've been less than loving

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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It's not human flesh Therefore it's not cannibalism
& i'll let you read this little snippet

that, in the Eucharist, the substance of wheat bread and grape wine changes into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus,[1] while all that is accessible to the senses (the appearances - species in Latin) remains as before.[2][3][4]

Meaning that it is not flesh ever in touch, smell, taste, or, sight

Wikipedia? Are you seriously quoting Wikipedia to reference Catholic doctrine?

And you didn't even understand it correctly. "Changes into the substance of" means "turns into flesh and blood," but you just can't tell that it has changed. Not that "it is not flesh and blood". Therefore, you believe that you are eating Jesus' flesh and blood.

How about a real source?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm

In order to forestall at the very outset, the unworthy notion, that in the Eucharist we receive merely the Body and merely the Blood of Christ but not Christ in His entirety, the Council of Trent defined the Real Presence to be such as to include with Christ's Body and His Soul and Divinity as well. A strictly logical conclusion from the words of promise: "he that eateth me the same also shall live by me", this Totality of Presence was also the constant property of tradition, which characterized the partaking of separated parts of the Savior as a sarcophagy (flesh-eating) altogether derogatory to God. Although the separation of the Body, Blood, Soul, and Logos, is, absolutely speaking, within the almighty power of God, yet then actual inseparability is firmly established by the dogma of the indissolubility of the hypostatic union of Christ's Divinity and Humanity.

It is the basic belief that the cracker and the wine transform into the FLESH and BLOOD of Jesus, inhabited by Him.

Therefore, it is ritual cannibalism, and even more ridiculous, the belief that your "magic man" priest has the power to call Jesus into crackers, and that you are EATING JESUS (and then apparently shitting Him out later).