[Brother Jared]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Why do you assume a True Christian™, such as the good Dr. Niles, would fail to comply to his God-given responsibility to treat his wife as the "weaker vessle" (1 Peter 3:7) God created her to be? (Genesis 3:16) Furthermore, would you actually be capable of complying to your God-given responsibility as a wife, to be submissive to her husband in all things? (Ephesians 5:22-24) It seems to me quite presumptuous of you to deny Dr. Niles before he's even considered the possibility of doing you the favor of making an honest woman out of you. (1st Timothy 2:15)

Don't be too hard on her. Last time someone used the Truth™ against her, she ran away for several days....

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

One thing I would ask is would you support me as your wife, if I were to be such, in becoming a writer?

Why do you assume a True Christian™, such as the good Dr. Niles, would fail to comply to his God-given responsibility to treat his wife as the "weaker vessle" (1 Peter 3:7) God created her to be? (Genesis 3:16) Furthermore, would you actually be capable of complying to your God-given responsibility as a wife, to be submissive to her husband in all things? (Ephesians 5:22-24) It seems to me quite presumptuous of you to deny Dr. Niles before he's even considered the possibility of doing you the favor of making an honest woman out of you. (1st Timothy 2:15)

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I apoligize good sir if I upset you, that was not my intention though I do know we would not work well as a couple. There are those God means to be together and there are those that he does not. I have prayed and you are not the one for me. It's doesn't mean you have done anything wrong, just that you are not the right one.
One thing I would ask is would you support me as your wife, if I were to be such, in becoming a writer? The man I am looking for would need to treat me not as a servent but as his partner, and support my wish to be a writer. That is the husband I need, one that I will know would treat me as a daughter of God.

I'm still waiting to hear what, specifically, the serpent lied about.
Brother, I thought of telling her that "his wife didn't leave him, she ran away and has never been heard from since", but wasn't sure if that would help or harm.

The serpent lied by twisting the truth, as twisting the truth is a form of lying. He said that Eve would not die for eating the fruit, which is both a lie and a truth. It is a lie because Eve and her husband would die... just not on the spot which is what he was suggesting God meant.

In addition I know good sir, but I felt saying she left was better then she ran away. As it does not look good when a man's wife runs away from him and make sure he doesn't know where she is... so yah it would harm.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I'm still waiting to hear what, specifically, the serpent lied about.

Brother, I thought of telling her that "his wife didn't leave him, she ran away and has never been heard from since", but wasn't sure if that would help or harm.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Also Sister Mary I have considered Laurence Niles and see clearly he is not the one for me. For one he is a married man with a wife that left him, I do not want an man that cannot keep his wife by his side.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

Born?

YIC

Jack

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

The Holy Bible does not say she did or didn't tell her husband what the fruit was, nor does the Holy Bible say that Adam did or didn't know what the fruit was. It just doesn't say.
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I'm sorry what where does it say that Eve sought to be like God, also why do you discredit God by suggesting Eve ruined his creation? God knows all things and nothing is hidden from him.

Also before the Fall there was no meaning of Joy and Sorrow, Good and Evil, Hope and Dispair, exc. God being wise and knowing would see what needs to be done.

So God was wrong to condemn Eve?

Seriously! God was wrong? Why would God Himself condemn Eve face to face if He thought she wasn't to blame?

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

This is what the serpent was saying to Eve, with his lying tongue.

What, specifically, did the serpent lie about?

[Brother Jared]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I should be sighing.

Sighs, please Brother Jared have you not heard me? I grew up reading the Holy Bible and taught in my youth to follow all it teaches. The Holy Bible is the most important book in my life and it would pain me not to read its words. I have said this, so your question does not make sense. I respect you, you seem to be a good man but I do read Holy Bible as it is.

If you have, you have clearly not studied it well enough.

As such Adam was as much to blame as Eve

Why is that so?

Eve did not decieve her husband.

You were the one implying that, not me.

Yes Eve was aware of what God told her husband but she herself had not commanded not to eat, God specifically told Adam that he was not to eat of the fruit or one else. That and where was Adam? If Adam was near he would have been able to warn Eve of the danger of the serpent and even stopped it. Why was Adam being neglectful of his wife in a place so new to her?

So she knows she's not allowed to eat it, but hasn't been told herself ... and that makes it perfectly legitimate to eat it? Or what are you trying to say?

Where Adam was, we don't know. But remember it was AFTER the fall that Adam was assigned to rule over Eve - clearly because she needed someone to look out for her! (Genesis 3:16)

This is what the serpent was saying to Eve, with his lying tongue. The scripture does not say that is what Eve wanted or that was what she was thinking, indeed it was when she gazed on the fruit and saw it was desirable and well... looked tasty that she wanted to eat it.

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat" (Genesis 3:6)

Obviously she was tempted by being wise like God.

Your words more then suggest it was Eve's fault life is hard, when based of the scriptures gaven you from the Holy Bible it is both Adam and Eve's fault.

Adam is punished for listening to Eve, ignoring God's command, and thereby eating the forbidden fruit.

Please Brother Jared, I do not wish to move into conflict with one of God's servant so can we not stop? I do not wish to come into conflict with anyone here, why must we?

You're not conflicting me, but the Holy Bible with your views. The conflict stops when you stop interpreting the Bible through your feminist opinions.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Sighs, please Brother Jared have you not heard me? I grew up reading the Holy Bible and taught in my youth to follow all it teaches. The Holy Bible is the most important book in my life and it would pain me not to read its words. I have said this, so your question does not make sense. I respect you, you seem to be a good man but I do read Holy Bible as it is. As such Adam was as much to blame as Eve, and Eve did not decieve her husband.


Yes Eve was aware of what God told her husband but she herself had not commanded not to eat, God specifically told Adam that he was not to eat of the fruit or one else. That and where was Adam? If Adam was near he would have been able to warn Eve of the danger of the serpent and even stopped it. Why was Adam being neglectful of his wife in a place so new to her?


This is what the serpent was saying to Eve, with his lying tongue. The scripture does not say that is what Eve wanted or that was what she was thinking, indeed it was when she gazed on the fruit and saw it was desirable and well... looked tasty that she wanted to eat it.


Your words more then suggest it was Eve's fault life is hard, when based of the scriptures gaven you from the Holy Bible it is both Adam and Eve's fault.
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Please Brother Jared, I do not wish to move into conflict with one of God's servant so can we not stop? I do not wish to come into conflict with anyone here, why must we?


Also where is Sister Mary, will she not speak to me?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually they technically transgressed not sinned, as you cannot sin without a knowledge of good and evil... which is what the tree actually give them.

They did do wrong though and God's punishment was just.

Interesting. You say they didn't sin, but transgressed. Why would they be punished with death, and Eve (and all future women) with pain in labor, for doing something she didn't know she wasn't supposed to do? How is that just?

Surely, Eve must have known she was doing the wrong thing and done it intentionally. Otherwise, she did not sin, did she?

[Brother Jared]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Have you even read the Bible???

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

Eve was clearly aware it was off limits (Genesis 3:1-3)

The Holy Bible does not say she did or didn't tell her husband what the fruit was, nor does the Holy Bible say that Adam did or didn't know what the fruit was. It just doesn't say.

I don't understand you. If we're talking about who were to blame, then you're indicating Eve consciously deceived Adam?

I'm sorry what where does it say that Eve sought to be like God.

Genesis 3:5

why do you discredit God by suggesting Eve ruined his creation?

Read what I wrote. I never stated that.


There's a big difference in what YOU want the Bible to say and what it ACTUALLY says. Read it before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually they technically transgressed not sinned, as you cannot sin without a knowledge of good and evil... which is what the tree actually give them.

They did do wrong though and God's punishment was just.

[Didymus Much]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Why don't you stop telling her what to do

He's just repeating what the Bible tells her she must do, Napa Valley Ann.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

The Holy Bible does not say she did or didn't tell her husband what the fruit was, nor does the Holy Bible say that Adam did or didn't know what the fruit was. It just doesn't say.

So are you suggesting that Eve didn't know she wasn't supposed to eat the fruit, and Adam didn't know what the fruit was, which would mean neither of them actually sinned, because sin requires intent?

I hope that's not what you're trying to suggest here. That's sacrilege!