[Faith_Machine]

Re: Set aside the differences: What Catholics and Baptists can agree on

You talk to your mother correct? Well that's how I see Mary. " Honor your mother and father." Is the commandment. Well Mary bore my savior so I view her as my " adopted mother" if you will. Praying is talking to God right. Well as Catholics we talk to Mary as our mother. She is not a goddess she was a human without sin. In the story of Our Lady of Guadalupe Mary told Juan Diego " Tell the bishop to build a church FOR MY SON!" Oh yeah her son, Jesus Christ. Mary in heaven prays for us and she turns our heads towards Gos. So that we may have a closer relationship with God. She is like a mother teaching her five year old who Jesus is.

I talk to my mother all the time, but I've never prayed to her.

But now you're claiming that your prayers to Mary really aren't prayer, and that they're more like psychic telephone calls to a deceased relative.

If you bothered to crack open a Bible and read it, you'd know that God prohibits us from having contact with the dead, and regards it as a capital offense:

Leviticus 20:27

27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

And God specifically says that anybody attempting to talk to dead people should instead speak directly to Him:

Isaiah 8:19

19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

You are engaging in a practice which the Bible has forbidden, and the only justification you've offered is "church tradition."

Do you think church tradition trumps scripture?

[Faith_Machine]

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We don't need to kill her we need to introduce her to Jesus and save the baby.

Please Google the term "ectopic pregnancy" and explain to us exactly how you propose to save the baby's life.

[Jack_S.]

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Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior! <3

Abortion is wrong no matter the reason; there is no justification of the killing of an innocent life.

The World needs Jesus; seriously it just does.

Masturbation, porn, and fornication go against God's gift of marriage.

We need more peace and love in this world! We NEED Jesus!

We can never set aside our differences, cause you S-Catholics perverts are known to molest lil-kiddies and wear dresses like queers.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I don't think abortion or killing the woman should happen at all. If the woman is considering abortion we need to introduce her to Christ instead of killing her. Its still abortion if you kill the baby and its useless to kill a mother and child. We don't need to kill her we need to introduce her to Jesus and save the baby.

You're missing the point.

In an ectopic pregnancy, the baby always dies (100% chance), and the mother very often dies. If she doesn't die, she's usually no longer able to conceive.

The baby in an ectopic pregnancy will never get large enough to be viable outside the womb. It will die, either by an abortionist, or by the death of its mother. There is no "save the baby".

So either you kill the baby, or you let the baby kill its mother and die itself.

Which do you choose?

No abortions for any reason, which means the mother and baby both die, or abortion, which means the mother lives and may even have another baby later?

[Bobby-Joe]

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I don't think abortion or killing the woman should happen at all. If the woman is considering abortion we need to introduce her to Christ instead of killing her. Its still abortion if you kill the baby and its useless to kill a mother and child. We don't need to kill her we need to introduce her to Jesus and save the baby.

Are you really a Catholic friend?

Going by what happens in my family they would get the abortion and then go to confession on it and say about 200 Hail Marys, buy the priest a new car and the woman's mother would hit her with a broom a lot for being a slut.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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she was a human without sin.

Scripture or it never happened. Mary made the following offering:

Luke 2:22-24: And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present [him] to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Now what kind of offering was that according to the law of the Lord?

Lev. 12:6-8: And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest: Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood. This [is] the law for her that hath born a male or a female. And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.

Why would she need to make a sin offering?

[Cursed]

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I don't think abortion or killing the woman should happen at all. If the woman is considering abortion we need to introduce her to Christ instead of killing her. Its still abortion if you kill the baby and its useless to kill a mother and child. We don't need to kill her we need to introduce her to Jesus and save the baby.

It's not killing; she and her spawn die through lack of intervention.

It is left to GOD, if they survive, it is His will, if they die, it is His will. PRAISE GOD.

[avemaria]

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Right! So you agree that women with ectopic pregnancies should be allowed to die, along with their babies, instead of murdering the baby to save the woman.

I don't think abortion or killing the woman should happen at all. If the woman is considering abortion we need to introduce her to Christ instead of killing her. Its still abortion if you kill the baby and its useless to kill a mother and child. We don't need to kill her we need to introduce her to Jesus and save the baby.

[Cursed]

Re: Set aside the differences: What Catholics and Baptists can agree on

You talk to your mother correct? Well that's how I see Mary. " Honor your mother and father." Is the commandment. Well Mary bore my savior so I view her as my " adopted mother" if you will. Praying is talking to God right. Well as Catholics we talk to Mary as our mother. She is not a goddess she was a human without sin. In the story of Our Lady of Guadalupe Mary told Juan Diego " Tell the bishop to build a church FOR MY SON!" Oh yeah her son, Jesus Christ. Mary in heaven prays for us and she turns our heads towards Gos. So that we may have a closer relationship with God. She is like a mother teaching her five year old who Jesus is.

You have no business praying to Mary, and should pray to God alone.

Really, come on now. To pray to an earth-born woman is ABSURD.

[avemaria]

Re: Set aside the differences: What Catholics and Baptists can agree on

You talk to your mother correct? Well that's how I see Mary. " Honor your mother and father." Is the commandment. Well Mary bore my savior so I view her as my " adopted mother" if you will. Praying is talking to God right. Well as Catholics we talk to Mary as our mother. She is not a goddess she was a human without sin. In the story of Our Lady of Guadalupe Mary told Juan Diego " Tell the bishop to build a church FOR MY SON!" Oh yeah her son, Jesus Christ. Mary in heaven prays for us and she turns our heads towards Gos. So that we may have a closer relationship with God. She is like a mother teaching her five year old who Jesus is.

[Faith_Machine]

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And I pray to Mary yes...

OK, so then... you worship Mary, right?

I DON"T WORSHIP HER I HONOR HER!

Erm... OK, I'm sorry, I was confused. I thought you said you worshiped Mary, but I guess I must have misunderstood. It turns out you don't worship Mary, correct?

So yeah that's why I pray to her...

Oh dear, this is really confusing. I'm trying to keep up with you here, but you're going to have to forgive me if I need a moment to catch my breath.

OK, so where we've left things is that you do, in fact, worship Mary. Now, you're sure about this? You're not going to change your mind again, like you kept doing above?

'Cause I'm just going to assume that last thing you said was your final word on the matter, and that you do worship Mary.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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As for abortion my view will never change we may not know what happens to those poor little ones but we need to fight to end this slaughter.

Right! So you agree that women with ectopic pregnancies should be allowed to die, along with their babies, instead of murdering the baby to save the woman.

[avemaria]

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Worship is given to a God. I know for a fact that Mary is not God. I honor her.

I am not being rude sir I am trying to defend what I believe. Plus Jesus said The Church. Not the true church. And if the rule on here is correct spelling please by all means spell it " Catholic". I've been spelling Baptist right.

As for abortion my view will never change we may not know what happens to those poor little ones but we need to fight to end this slaughter.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Wait wait wait. Ectopic pregnancy sounds horrible! Why would God want that to happen?!

How should I know?

But I'm glad you, like us, hold fast to the unchanging standard that says no abortions, ever.

After all, your unHoly Mother Church occasionally gets something right. For example, it terminates its sponsorship of hospitals that perform abortions to save the life of the mother.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-12-21-phoenix-catholic-hospital_N.htm

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix stripped a major hospital of its affiliation with the church Tuesday because of a surgery that ended a woman's pregnancy to save her life.

Bishop Thomas Olmsted called the 2009 procedure an abortion and said St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center — recognized internationally for its neurology and neurosurgery practices — violated ethical and religious directives of the national Conference of Catholic Bishops.

"In the decision to abort, the equal dignity of mother and her baby were not both upheld," Olmsted said at a news conference announcing the decision. "The mother had a disease that needed to be treated. But instead of treating the disease, St. Joseph's medical staff and ethics committee decided that the healthy, 11-week-old baby should be directly killed."

Now, hear the pathetic justifications the hospital president came up with for murdering an innocent, pre-born baby:

In a statement, St. Joseph's President Linda Hunt said the hospital will comply with Olmsted's decision, but she defended its actions.

"If we are presented with a situation in which a pregnancy threatens a woman's life, our first priority is to save both patients. If that is not possible, we will always save the life we can save, and that is what we did in this case," Hunt said. "Morally, ethically, and legally, we simply cannot stand by and let someone die whose life we might be able to save."

The woman is in her 20s had a history of abnormally high blood pressure when she learned of her pregnancy. After she was admitted to the hospital with worsening symptoms, doctors determined her risk of death was nearly 100%.

The hospital's ethics team concluded the pregnancy could be ended under the church's ethical directives because "the goal was not to end the pregnancy but save the mother's life," the hospital said.

And I pray to Mary yes I DON"T WORSHIP HER I HONOR HER!

Getting on your knees before a statue of her and lighting candles to her is worship.

And maybe its because I thank her for being the only suitable person to give birth to that guy oh gosh whats his name? Oh yeah, JESUS!

What makes you think she was the only person suitable? God could have made any woman suitable, or picked anyone.

You need to be thankful for Mary accepting Jesus into her womb. Cause without Him you wouldn't be saved.

I'm sorry . . . "accepting"? Please show me where the Bible suggests she was given a choice in the matter.

So yeah that's why I pray to her and that's why its in my username. Plain and simple.

But she is dead. And there is "one mediator", as I have shown you, yet you pray to her as mediatrix. That is a direct violation of Biblical command . . . not to mention ineffectual, as she is DEAD and unknowing (Ecclesiastes 9:5) until Judgment!