*throws catlick temper tantrum*

[Mary Etheldreda]

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This pointless theological squabble has been fun. I'll just kindly go back to Mass now.

Afraid to see what your Catholic Church has really teaches, I see.

[Alphonse Alban]

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This pointless theological squabble has been fun.

See you, friend
We were more than happy to show you how pointless your views were, glad you also enjoyed learning it. Do come back any time when you want to learn more about Jesus.

[CrusaderIntel]

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One last note: I will NOT abuse another in God's name. Ever. I will not demand something they are not comfortable with, I will not physically abuse them, and I will not ever expect submission from anyone. With that said, I have schoolwork to attend to.

This pointless theological squabble has been fun. I'll just kindly go back to Mass now.

[CrusaderIntel]

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And why must you bring up perversion like BDSM? Is this what has made you so hateful of the Truth© since you're struggling with sexual addiction?

Praying for your immortal soul,

Pastor Ed

Oh, this is a fun topic. I know many, MANY people who are nymphomaniacs. I don't approve of it in the slightest. Although I have no problem with those who do have a sexual addiction or unusual fetishes, as they are part of a person's unique and God-given identity, I don't partake in BDSM or anything similar. I'm "hateful" of the "Truth" because I don't believe that it is in fact, the truth. I am well aware of the passages supporting your statements. However, these statements were made in the context of a different kind of society, and they were made by -mortals-. Yes, mortals who were acting in the name of the Lord. But they are mortals nonetheless. This is why I cannot fairly expect my significant other to submit to me completely: I do not believe it is what God had in mind for her.

I am truly sorry to hear that you had to suffer from catlick upbringing. It's no wonder why you turned up so hateful.



Why do you think that Jesus is wrong about marriage and you know better than Him?

First off, I take offense to your talk of my upbringing. Although I don't entirely accept the teachings presented by the Roman Catholic church, I would be more than happy to accept those of the Anglican Catholic church, albeit not without question. I was given free will by God for a reason. I believe He would wish for us to find our way to Him of our own will. Also, I am not being hateful. I am the one preaching for equal treatment of all people. If that is hateful in your eyes, I may as well leave the forum right now. I'm clearly not getting anywhere.

Second off, I have never once spoken of knowing better than Christ. The fact of the matter is that He Himself has not spoken of the matter in the same way as Paul and others have, to my knowledge. Present to me a quote where He spoke of it rather than a human speaking in his name if you wish to accuse me of denying His word.

Are you so deluded as to think that noble intentions and warm, fuzzy feelings are enough to grant you access to Heaven? Where does following God's Word factor into your calculus?

Once again, refer to my previous paragraph. Not once to my knowledge did Jesus Himself ever speak of the matter in the same light as Paul and others. I understand the concept of divine influence, but even with that included into the equation there are still sociological differences and personal opinions that factor into it. I have never once claimed that "warm, fuzzy feelings" are enough to grant one passage into Heaven. What I believe will, however, is behaving in the way that Jesus taught us to. In an accepting, forgiving, and loving way. He taught us to come to him with our sins, openly admit them to Him, and ask Him humbly for forgiveness while encouraging those around us to do the same. This is how I try to live my life. However, as a mortal human, I sometimes fail. Hence why I must repent sins to Him and work as best as I can to achieving perfection.

Any of you who think you have already achieved said perfection, I would ask you to go before the Lord and say the same to Him.

It's also worth noting that I adhere to the Commandments as best as I can, unless I believe God is urging me to do otherwise, and I repent how I can for my sins. I have saved four lives from suicide and counting. I've utilized the talents that God gave to me in the best way I possibly can, and I work to do better each day.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I am a Catholic. I have been a Catholic for a majority of my life. The teachings of Jesus have guided me through my life, and not once have they ever spoken to me as hateful.

Hello dear, and welcome to our friendly forums! I was once a devout Catholic like you, and I do recall the feelings of fondness and respect for the theology I once truly believed was the very will of God on earth. I can see how these ideas might upset one who has never considered an alternative. If I may, dear, I suspect you've never really read the Holy Bible through. Oh, I know about reading the scriptures in each Mass, I know about doing Bible studies, but I'm talking about reading it, as a love letter from God to you. From beginning to end. Slowly, carefully. If you had, you would note that nothing a True Christian™ here says goes against Scripture, or against the Will of God as specifically portrayed in the Holy Word.

Alright, listen up. You're probably already aware by the tone of this post that I'm aiming to get banned, but I'd like to say something to anyone here who actually takes this website seriously: What God are you worshiping? The God that I know has not ever told me that it's acceptable to beat my girlfriend because she doesn't obey me. In fact, I openly welcome her free thought.

The God we worship is the God of the Bible, not the fashionable Liberation Theology God of the 21st century Western Civilization. Your own church has a solid history of promoting patriarchy within the family. That your particular parish doesn't teach you this doesn't mean it's not a part of your church's history. The question you should be asking yourself is, Why does the Catholic church lack unity throughout the world if it is the same faith today as it was 1000 years ago, and across the globe? Why would the faithful in Africa and Central America be frightened to use condoms, even to protect against AIDS, when 98% of Catholics in America sincerely feel it's not a mortal sin to contracept, and harbor no guilt when using any form of contraception?

Why, were you even aware that your church has long advocated identifying Jews in public by making them wear specific clothing that identifies them as Jews for the spiritual and physical protection of Christians? Learn your history, dear. In 1431, The Council of Basel forbade Jews to go to universities, prohibited them from acting as agents in the conclusion of contracts between Christians, and required that they attend church sermons. In 1434 Jewish men in Augsburg had to sew yellow buttons to their clothes. Across Europe, Jews were forced to wear a long undergarment, an overcoat with a yellow patch, bells and tall pointed yellow hats with a large button on them. Did you think sewing yellow patches that identify a Jew was Hitler's brainchild? In 1492 Jews were given the choice of being baptized as Christians or be banished from Spain. 300,000 left Spain penniless. Many migrated to Turkey, where they found tolerance among the Muslims. Others converted to Christianity but often continued to practice Judaism in secret. Don't tell me that your church has always promoted integration, I know better because I learned the history of the Catholic Church. Go ahead and google it. Learn the history of your church, then tell me they accurately reflect the Will and Mind of God.

Functional, Godly relationships are not created through the submission of one party to the other, at the risk of punishment by the other. That's BDSM culture.

No, that's quite Biblical. If you read your holy Bible, you'll see many instances where we are told very specifically to recognize and maintain the rolls we've been created to play for the Glory of God. Women are to be subservient to men, in the same way men are to be subservient to Christ (Ephesians 5:24; Colossians 3:18). If you were familiar with your Bible, you'd know God often uses corporeal means to remind the faithful of the duty to be submissive (Proverbs 3:11-12; Deuteronomy 8:5; Proverbs 13:24). Did you think we came up with this ourselves? Did you think we decided to invent a religion and find the most absurd ideas we could come up with in a drunken stupor? Did you really fail to see all the Scriptural support each and every True Christian™ pastor, man and woman here includes to support their opinions? Have you been paying attention at all, or are you just feeling a righteous anger (which is really just a subjective, silly outrage)?

God does not want us to hate others. He does not want us to treat women as inferiors.

Then why does He specifically command this from us? Why? Is He testing us? Did He write the Holy Bible 4000 years ago with modern, Western Civilization ethical standards in mind? What a mindfuck that would be for everyone who came before, and especially born into a different culture. What a jerk that would make the LORD, to knowingly write in some morally cryptic way that would not be uncovered for 4000 years. How many generations would God have to royally screw over just for you and your local church to figure out the Really Right Way to read and interpret the Holy Bible?

He created us all equal, yes?

Read your Bible. Take notes.

Spoiler alert: No. He did not. In fact, He created us quite unequally for His own pleasure (Romans 9:20-21).

Additionally, while there are a lot of questions on this specific post that angered me, there were a couple in particular that pissed me off. "Christians cannot sin"? Excuse me? We are all sinners. Each and every single one of us. Just because we have accepted Jesus Christ as our lord and savoir does not save us from being sinners. This is why we must repent.

This is a construct devised by your church to keep you coming back to confession and the Mass. It's a way of soliciting your income and personal energy to work for the profit of the bishops and cardinals. In fact, the Holy Bible tells us that he who is in Christ CANNOT sin (1st John 3:6-9). Read that sermon again, dear. I guarantee the Scriptural support is 100% Biblically and therefore theologically accurate.

Although I sincerely believe that few, if any at all, make it into Hell. I think I've said enough now. Feel free to nail me to the cross over this. You'd simply be acting as the Romans did before toward Jesus Christ, your supposed "Lord"....

inb4 persecution for my beliefs.

Oh the irony.

[Nobar King]

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He created us all equal, yes? Should we not then treat all people equally?

Not only is this not true, nor even possible, but it's not even in the Bible. You are mistaking the U.S. Constitution for the Bible.

[Jedediah]

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Welcome, friend. Please explain how you reconcile calling yourself a Christian while ignoring the teachings of the Holy Bible. In what way can your practice be considered Christianity, when it is largely based on teachings that come from outside of God's Word and, indeed, often contradict His commandments? How will you answer Jesus when He asks you to explain why you spent your life ignoring His Word?

John 8:43-44
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Are you so deluded as to think that noble intentions and warm, fuzzy feelings are enough to grant you access to Heaven? Where does following God's Word factor into your calculus?

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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I am a Catholic. I have been a Catholic for a majority of my life. The teachings of Jesus have guided me through my life, and not once have they ever spoken to me as hateful. I hope -- no, I pray -- that everyone who has an account here is being sarcastic. I can't stand to read this forum.

Alright, listen up. You're probably already aware by the tone of this post that I'm aiming to get banned, but I'd like to say something to anyone here who actually takes this website seriously:

...

Romish drek deleted.

Hi, friend.

I'm sorry you've chosen to worship Mary and count beads instead of praise the real Jesus. What an unfortunate choice, but it's not one you can't change at this point.

And I'm sorry you think we are so very intolerant and spiteful that you suppose we'd just ban you without first showing you the True Love of Jesus Christ™ in contrast to the doctrines of the lying statue-worshippers you call saints (see I Tim 4:1-4; 2 Thess. 2:1-10).

And why must you bring up perversion like BDSM? Is this what has made you so hateful of the Truth© since you're struggling with sexual addiction? Please be honest with us before giving a mere reflex answer.

As to your other questions, well, they are found everywhere on this site. Just use the search function or ask any of our members.

Praying for your immortal soul,

Pastor Ed

[Alphonse Alban]

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I am a Catholic

Hello friend, and welcome to God's favorite forum

I am truly sorry to hear that you had to suffer from catlick upbringing. It's no wonder why you turned up so hateful.

Functional, Godly relationships are not created through the submission of one party to the other

Why do you think that Jesus is wrong about marriage and you know better than Him?

Ephesians 5:22-24

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

[CrusaderIntel]

I am a Catholic. I have been a Catholic for a majority of my life. The teachings of Jesus have guided me through my life, and not once have they ever spoken to me as hateful. I hope -- no, I pray -- that everyone who has an account here is being sarcastic. I can't stand to read this forum.

Alright, listen up. You're probably already aware by the tone of this post that I'm aiming to get banned, but I'd like to say something to anyone here who actually takes this website seriously: What God are you worshiping? The God that I know has not ever told me that it's acceptable to beat my girlfriend because she doesn't obey me. In fact, I openly welcome her free thought. It goes so far as to say that I like it when she acts dominant on occasion. I'm pretty sure God's okay with that, seeing as I haven't been fried with any lightning bolts yet. Functional, Godly relationships are not created through the submission of one party to the other, at the risk of punishment by the other. That's BDSM culture. I really, really hope that all of you are being entirely satirical. And I'm not posting this to argue or to troll or anything of the like. I'm legitimately concerned for the state of Christianity based on what I've seen here, and since I've seen things similar stated in complete sincerity by other sects of the Baptist church, I don't doubt for a moment that at least one of you didn't get the memo and is taking all this completely seriously. God does not want us to hate others. He does not want us to treat women as inferiors. He created us all equal, yes? Should we not then treat all people equally? It seems as though that would be the Godly thing to do. If this is true, it would mean that racism (treating other races as inferior in some way or another), sexism (inequality of the sexes), and all the other bigoted views I have seen supported here would all be ungodly. He would consider them to be sinful. I suggest any of you who truly take the words on this forum seriously should take a while alone to pray, without your King James Bible. Just pray and talk to God for a while. You need it badly.

Additionally, while there are a lot of questions on this specific post that angered me, there were a couple in particular that pissed me off. "Christians cannot sin"? Excuse me? We are all sinners. Each and every single one of us. Just because we have accepted Jesus Christ as our lord and savoir does not save us from being sinners. This is why we must repent. Every one of us does wrong in our lives, some more so than others. God will forgive us if we just ask Him. Ask an ye shall receive, no? "Women should shut up" I have a problem with in the first place. I have met many a woman who vastly surpasses the intelligence of the majority of men I have met. My girlfriend is among them. She is an absolutely brilliant mind, with more things to say and more valid points than many a theologian in this world. And she's younger than I am. I treat her as my equal. She is not better than me, she is not inferior to me. In fact, I actually believe her to be a better person than I most of the time. But when you've saved a handful of people from suicide like I have, you're allowed a little pride in your achievements. I would never tell her to shut up. I would never be angry with her for disobeying me. I don't expect her to obey me at all. I'm not her lord. That's Jesus Christ, just the same as it is for me. THIS IS WHAT GOD WANTS OF US. DO NOT ABUSE WOMEN. DO NOT TREAT THEM, OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF PEOPLE, AS INFERIOR TO YOU. DO NOT ACT AS THOUGH YOU CANNOT SIN. IF YOU BELIEVE YOURSELF TO BE TRULY PERFECT AND RIGHTEOUS IN EVERY WAY, THAT MIGHT JUST BE YOUR UNDOING AND YOUR TICKET TO HELL. Although I sincerely believe that few, if any at all, make it into Hell. I think I've said enough now. Feel free to nail me to the cross over this. You'd simply be acting as the Romans did before toward Jesus Christ, your supposed "Lord".

tl;dr I really hope that you're not as bigoted as you seem.

inb4 persecution for my beliefs. If you're going to reply to me at all, let's actually have a rational discussion rather than everyone on this God-forsaken forum condemning me to Hell.