[A Follower]

Re: Greetings

I couldn't disagree with you more. Insult after insult. I am thinking of leaving this forum. I thought it was supposed to be the friendliest forum there is... wow.

Not a single person has insulted you. The only insults you perceive are the verses from the Bible (!) that you disagree with, those are the actual words that God spoke to us! You call God's words insults! If you are insulted by the contents of His Word then you should not flee us, but instead you should think: why do you hate the Word of the Lord? Did God not say that anyone who disagrees with any commandment, even if it's deep down in his heart, will suffer illness and death for just that crime? (hint: yes, He did)

Are you really a Christian if you don't agree with the Bible? Think on that. When you decide you really do believe everything the Bible says you are more than welcome with us. For now you are also welcome, as long as you are willing to learn. Don't close your heart to God, accept Him as He is, not as you want Him to be.

[Basilissa]

Re: Greetings

Show me 1 verse JUST 1 verse that supports that our God is a god of hate (that is not taken WAY out of context) and I will say you are right.

Here ya go, sweetie:


Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Deuteronomy 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalm 53:5 There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.

Psalm 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psalm 78:59 When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:

Psalm 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 22:14 The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.

Lamentations 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Revelation 2:6; 15 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Please feel free to review the context of each an every one of these.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Greetings

Show me 1 verse JUST 1 verse that supports that our God is a god of hate (that is not taken WAY out of context) and I will say you are right. I cannot ever make my self believe "the elect" that God brings to him and let the others die. My church teaches it but I cannot wrap my mind around why God would elect a few, and lead others astray. According to you, our god is a god of hate. Sure that makes sense (not really)

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

God doesn't love everybody:

Proverbs 6
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

And don't give me any "He hates the sin, not the sinner" crap...

Matthew 13
[38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
[39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

You've never actually read the Bible, have you.

You're like one of these fools who read the headlines of the newspaper, skip the articles, and then think they know everything.

[gregincambodia]

Re: Greetings

Show me 1 verse JUST 1 verse that supports that our God is a god of hate (that is not taken WAY out of context) and I will say you are right. I cannot ever make my self believe "the elect" that God brings to him and let the others die. My church teaches it but I cannot wrap my mind around why God would elect a few, and lead others astray. According to you, our god is a god of hate. Sure that makes sense (not really)

Psalm 5:5

Here is a dozen more.

[Dr. Creation]

Re: Greetings

Excuse me, how did I insult you, exactly?

Actually, I should feel insulted by you, because I dedicated my time (I should have already gone to sleep, I need to get up early tomorrow) to explain to you basic stuff which every Christian should know already. You, on the other hand, apparently did not read anything of what I've written, and you just keep repeating a few verses, after it was explained to you (by me and others) over and over again that you should read the Bible in context, and not just cherry pick a few verses because "they sound nice."

Show me 1 verse JUST 1 verse that supports that our God is a god of hate (that is not taken WAY out of context) and I will say you are right. I cannot ever make my self believe "the elect" that God brings to him and let the others die. My church teaches it but I cannot wrap my mind around why God would elect a few, and lead others astray. According to you, our god is a god of hate. Sure that makes sense (not really)

[Basilissa]

Re: Greetings

I couldn't disagree with you more. Insult after insult. I am thinking of leaving this forum. I thought it was supposed to be the friendliest forum there is... wow.

Excuse me, how did I insult you, exactly?

Actually, I should feel insulted by you, because I dedicated my time (I should have already gone to sleep, I need to get up early tomorrow) to explain to you basic stuff which every Christian should know already. You, on the other hand, apparently did not read anything of what I've written, and you just keep repeating a few verses, after it was explained to you (by me and others) over and over again that you should read the Bible in context, and not just cherry pick a few verses because "they sound nice."

I don't get how you can say God wants to see people Burn in hell after I supported a verse to back up my claim. Your verse is taken WAYYYY out of context this time.

How is it out of context? 2 Thessalonians 2:3-14 is about people destined to Hell, and the verse I quoted is part of it.

You tell me to read God's word, but yet YOU NEED to!! God does not mislead people to hell.

I just showed you the opposite, with appropriate Bible quotes.

Here's another one for ya, sweetie:

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

If that is what you truly believe, I am done with this forum. I cannot post with people that have a god of hate.

It's all in the Bible, dear.

[Dr. Creation]

Re: Greetings

Instead, a small group of people is saved, while God intentionally leads many others to eternal damnation:

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

He died for the chosen few, who had the incredible luck to hear about Him. You do realize that during the last 2000 years the people who did hear about Jesus constitute a minority among all the people who lived during that time, right?

So where's the love of God for the billions who died without even having a chance to believe in Jesus?

Wrong (see the verse cited above, and also 2 Chronicles 18:22 which I have already quoted earlier).

Just think about it: if God wouldn't want anybody to suffer in Hell, He wouldn't have created Hell in the first place!

Yes - us the sinners who repented and accepted Him - the lucky chosen few. Not all of humanity.

Why don't you sit down and read the Bible, instead of googling random verses?

I don't get how you can say God wants to see people Burn in hell after I supported a verse to back up my claim. Your verse is taken WAYYYY out of context this time. You tell me to read God's word, but yet YOU NEED to!! God does not mislead people to hell. If that is what you truly believe, I am done with this forum. I cannot post with people that have a god of hate.

[Dr. Creation]

Re: Greetings

I couldn't disagree with you more. Insult after insult. I am thinking of leaving this forum. I thought it was supposed to be the friendliest forum there is... wow.

[Basilissa]

Re: Greetings

Exactly! All except that God hates sinners. If He hated sinners, then NO ONE would be saved.

Instead, a small group of people is saved, while God intentionally leads many others to eternal damnation:

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Why would He die for people He hates?

He died for the chosen few, who had the incredible luck to hear about Him. You do realize that during the last 2000 years the people who did hear about Jesus constitute a minority among all the people who lived during that time, right?

So where's the love of God for the billions who died without even having a chance to believe in Jesus?

God does not want anyone to suffer in hell.

Wrong (see the verse cited above, and also 2 Chronicles 18:22 which I have already quoted earlier).

Just think about it: if God wouldn't want anybody to suffer in Hell, He wouldn't have created Hell in the first place!

That is why He gave us (the sinners, see Romans 3:23) a way out.

Yes - us the sinners who repented and accepted Him - the lucky chosen few. Not all of humanity.

Why don't you sit down and read the Bible, instead of googling random verses?

[A Follower]

Re: Greetings

It's always amusing when someone uses Romans 5:8 as "proof" that God loves everyone, as it proves adequately that that person has not read the Bible but used an internet search or relied on a false priest for the Bible knowledge. Anyone who has actually read the Bible, or even just the page with Romans 5:8 on it has also read Romans 5:5, and let us all remember when the Holy Ghost entered us... Exactly, it happened with our baptism.

God only spreads His love through the Holy Spirit, which exists only in True Christians(tm). According to the Bible God can only love Christians.

And of course all logic also points to God hating sinners, not the sin. If God hated the sin He would stop the sin, but instead of stopping the sin God stops the sinner, God punishes the sinner, God kills the sinner.

[Dr. Creation]

Re: Greetings

As I said many times, this is where our beliefs differ. And seeing how I was not prepared for a "debate" on this, I am calling in my friends from a Creation Science Institute near where I live. They will answer this using the word of God and NOTHING else. I will have their answer in a few days depending on their schedule. I will also be doing research of my own.

[gregincambodia]

Re: Greetings

Yes God wants everyone to accept Salvation™
Yes, God wants this so badly that he sent His only Son to die on the Cross.
This is exactly why he hates those who reject His love.

Now, go back and read this partial list of people that God specifically hates.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Greetings

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This says nothing about God's emotional response towards sinners, dear. It says He is patient and doesn't want anyone to perish. Doesn't stop them, you'll note. He just doesn't want it that way.

I don't want any bums dying in my hydrangea bushes either, but that doesn't mean I love 'em.

[Dr. Creation]

Re: Greetings

Exactly. And, this broad category of sinners destined to burn in Hell forever includes:

• those who have heard of Jesus, and for whatever reason made a conscientious decision to reject Him;
• those who lived long peaceful lives, and died without ever hearing about Jesus, and therefore without having the opportunity to accept or reject Him;
• those who were born dead, or died shortly after birth (and therefore could not make a conscientious decision to accept or reject Jesus), including children of God-fearing parents.

However, this broad category of sinners destined to burn in Hell does not include:

• those who lived all their lives killing and abusing people, but repented and asked Jesus for forgiveness at the moment of their death.

Exactly! All except that God hates sinners. If He hated sinners, then NO ONE would be saved. Why would He die for people He hates? BTW
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God does not want anyone to suffer in hell. That is why He gave us (the sinners, see Romans 3:23) a way out.

[Basilissa]

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You do know what God does to sinners don't you? He sends them to to burn for all eternity. Is that what you mean by love?

Exactly. And, this broad category of sinners destined to burn in Hell forever includes:

• those who have heard of Jesus, and for whatever reason made a conscientious decision to reject Him;
• those who lived long peaceful lives, and died without ever hearing about Jesus, and therefore without having the opportunity to accept or reject Him;
• those who were born dead, or died shortly after birth (and therefore could not make a conscientious decision to accept or reject Jesus), including children of God-fearing parents.

However, this broad category of sinners destined to burn in Hell does not include:

• those who lived all their lives killing and abusing people, but repented and asked Jesus for forgiveness at the moment of their death.