[Morton Weinstein]

Re: My Response

The love of David and Jonathan was a pure, manly love just as I have for my friend Malachi. When the scripture says their loved was beyond that of women, it meant that men, being superior in all ways, can love more completely - without jealousy, drama, and all the complications that females bring to relationships.

For you to try to make it a dirty, foul-smelling thing makes me very fearful for your chances of ever truly following Christ in a simple way. And that's frightening - because it doesn't take brains to follow Jesus; it takes a special surrender of your will. Love is surrender to His will.

Take it from a Jew: being a Christian is swell.

[Basilissa]

Re: My Response

Your comment reminds me of a verse from an old children's song: "Trallala, I make the world as it pleases me." This is wishful thinking! Because there were very probably homosexual love relationships in antiquity.

Very probably? You claim to know so much, yet the names Socrates/Plato/Aristotle don't ring a bell? Sappho either?



That was the problem with the ancient Greek culture, all this ungodly fornication led to them being conquered by Romans!

Even at the time of the AT. I only remember David & Jonathan:
American King James Version
I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant have you been to me: your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
(2. Samuel 1:26)

You are aware that David had many wives (and fornicated his way even to his soldier's wife), so he could not be homosexual, right?

Besides, if David and Jonathan had done such an abominable thing with each other, they would have been stoned to death (Leviticus 18:22). Please note that while adultery (David, 2 Samuel 11:1-26) and rape (David's son Amnon, who raped his half sister Tamar, 2 Samuel 13:1-22) are described in detail and can be forgiven in the Bible, the sin of homosexuality is so abominable that it is never described, and there is no instance of it being forgiven.

I'm BORN THAT WAY, pure and simple!

Show me unequivocal, 100% scientific proof that homosexuality has a genetic component.






(crickets)





Yep, the last I checked, the jury was still out on this one.

[William Taester]

Re: My Response

You can oppress your feelings to other men, but you can't kill the person whom you are. .

I have indeed died to sin and become a new creature. Romans 6:11 - Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.



Furthermore, a fruitcake can glorify God after repenting and becoming a Romans 6:22 -But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

I encourage you to

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: My Response

If you're a normal gay (not a straight with gay experiences or a bi person) than you are gay forever. You can oppress your feelings to other men, but you can't kill the person whom you are.

That is an outright lie. It's used by homers to stop other homers from repenting. You know that too. You are wilfully lying so that you can contribute to an increased number of faggots in this world.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

Repent Gerlinde...you certainly cannot get to heaven by munchin rug

Whether I go to heaven or hell, God alone decides. He knows me. He knows why I have done many things, and had failed else. With him as a judge I'm in good hands.
I repent of the things that I had done wrong, as soon as I understand it. But to be a transsexual or homosexual is not a sin. Or is it a sin to be left-handed, because everyone else use the right hand?
I'm BORN THAT WAY, pure and simple!
Bill, as I read in this forum, you decline to be an ex-gay. Did you believe, that being gay or trans is a choice, like the other choices in life? That's wrong as science prove it so many times. If you're a normal gay (not a straight with gay experiences or a bi person) than you are gay forever. You can oppress your feelings to other men, but you can't kill the person whom you are. God loves even his LGBT children with UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! Not, at it is in this freaky forum for example.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

That's because no such thing exists. Homosexuals are incapable of love or relating in any real, meaningful way.

I hope that helps.

Your comment reminds me of a verse from an old children's song: "Trallala, I make the world as it pleases me." This is wishful thinking! Because there were very probably homosexual love relationships in antiquity. Even at the time of the AT. I only remember David & Jonathan:


American King James Version
I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant have you been to me: your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
(2. Samuel 1:26)


Samuel used a word: 'ahava' or אהבה
These word is used in the Hebrew Bible to describe a heterosexual relationship, or the relationship between God and the Israelites. It wasn't a "platonic" love, it was an intimate (sexual) relationship, as this Hebrew word shows it!

[William Taester]

Re: My Response

Repent Gerlinde...you certainly cannot get to heaven by munchin rug

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

Re: My Response

Logically, Jesus once said that the good and the bad grow up together, and the wicked will be torn out on the day of judgment. And so God is also with those procedures, which translated the Bible deliberately wrong. Among those who made mistakes against better knowledge, I think it looks different.

So you're telling me that God acquiesced in deliberately wrong translations of His Word, even though, as has already been pointed out to you, the Bible says that God has promised to preserve His Word. First, you're making your God sound like a lying (at least by proxy) scumbag. Second, by what method do you determine which parts of the Bible, if any, are trustworthy, and if you can't, why believe in any of it?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: My Response

Second, It is important, because no quote in the Bible speaks about a homosexual love relationship. It always spoke about pederasty between a young prostitute and a pederast in a Pagan temple. Or between master and slave.

Not so. It is the gays Jesus has it in for (Lev 20:13).

Gay sex with a child is still gay sex and Jesus will punish it as such.

YIC

[Father Maurice Lester]

Re: My Response

Gerlinde,

You are not being very Christian towards these folks and as difficult as it might be to turn the other cheek, it is exactly as He commanded us to do. Trust me, I have suffered through a decade of abuse from these children of siblings and although it is not easy I have managed to stay above the kind of vitriol and truculence that exemplifies your responses here.

Jesus would have us show love and compassion to all but in particular to those whose actions speak to unfathomable distance between Christian love and the hateful ignorance so common to the trailer trash of Freehold.

Try and find in your heart the real message of love that Jesus has given through His words and deeds and rise above these lesser creatures that they may have an example of enlightenment to aspire towards.



Bless you, my testicle challenged Teuton,
Father Mo




.

[Basilissa]

Re: My Response

First, dudely dudy, you are a dude, because DUDE isn't just male, it is only female (known as duchess )


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude

Dudette would be the correct term, I think (although I do not associate with individuals who use such terms anyway).

Second, It is important, because no quote in the Bible speaks about a homosexual love relationship. It always spoke about pederasty between a young prostitute and a pederast in a Pagan temple. Or between master and slave.

Please explain to me how does this verse describe pederasty only and excludes "homosexual love relationship" (whatever that would mean):

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Because I haven't seen God's footnote to this verse anywhere.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: My Response

Second, It is important, because no quote in the Bible speaks about a homosexual love relationship.

That's because no such thing exists. Homosexuals are incapable of love or relating in any real, meaningful way.

I hope that helps.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

all of these terms describe roughly the same thing, and these people also go to Hell.

First, dudely dudy, you are a dude, because DUDE isn't just male, it is only female (known as duchess )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude

Second, It is important, because no quote in the Bible speaks about a homosexual love relationship. It always spoke about pederasty between a young prostitute and a pederast in a Pagan temple. Or between master and slave.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

So God, despite being omnipotent, depends for whatever reason on "incompetent and unknowing" human beings to get His point across? That doesn't sound perfect to me.

Logically, Jesus once said that the good and the bad grow up together, and the wicked will be torn out on the day of judgment. And so God is also with those procedures, which translated the Bible deliberately wrong. Among those who made mistakes against better knowledge, I think it looks different.
Are you an atheist and gay, as these fundamentalist Christians believe? These folks misjudged other people very easy, If by stupid would be hurtful, they had to cry all day long.

[Basilissa]

Re: My Response

I did, dude, but you don't wanna hear it.
What is translate as effeminates in your post, had Luther correctly translated as catamites (young male prostitutes). And Mr. Kittel published it in his Theological Dictionary of the New Testament at the same way. So "effeminate" isn't correct, it is CATAMITE. Even such a trash as you, can understand it.
And, I don't care, what you think about me, I'm a Christian and a woman. And I knew, that God and Jesus accept me as I am. And, juristically I'm also female. I can show you my birth certificate. It is legally changed from male to female.

1. I'm not a "dude" (unlike you, I'm a real woman).

2. How many times should I tell you that I don't care how effeminate is translated. What I have been talking about is the sin of homosexuality, which is different from the sin of being effeminate (not all effeminate men are homosexuals, and vice versa). The sin of homosexuality is described in both verses. The sin of being effeminate is talked about only in one of these verses.

Since you like different translations, look here:

http://biblehub.com/parallel/1_corinthians/6-9.htm

http://biblehub.com/parallel/1_corinthians/6-10.htm

No matter how you slice it, all homosexuals go to Hell.

Also, whether you translate what KJV calls "effeminate" as male prostitutes (New Living Translation, World English Bible), passive homosexual partners (NET Bible), sexual molesters (Aramaic Bible in Plain English), those who make women of themselves (Darby Bible Translation), all of these terms describe roughly the same thing, and these people also go to Hell.