[Alvin Moss]

Re: unsaved trash

Ok, I'll introduce myself. I was raised in a very strict Independent Baptist home, homeschooled my entire life, graduated from an unaccredited Baptist college. I am also gay, so my family has largely disowned me. I made two professions of faith, first when I was five, and then again during college, just to clear up any doubts. I was quite sincere both times, so, assuming one believes in the doctrine of Eternal Security, I have to be saved. However, although I do study the Bible occasionally for educational purposes, I don't currently attend church, and I consider myself basically agnostic.


Ok, there you go people, investigate me, red dot me, and then ban me to eternal damnation, haha. But until you do, I will be respectful on this forum, I always am.

The unsaved are always with us and Hell is full of them. We are not surprised to see another Hell bound heathen here on this site. It seems magnetic to these wretches.

The real question, unsaved person, is, "Why are you here?".

[Des]

Re: unsaved trash

Ok, I'll introduce myself. I was raised in a very strict Independent Baptist home, homeschooled my entire life, graduated from an unaccredited Baptist college. I am also gay,...

I have a hard time buying into someone being raised in a proper Baptist home and still deciding to be a knob bobber. Think I'm smelling a troll.

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: unsaved trash

Where does Hitler come into this? You Joos really are obsessed. Give up your Joo ways. And read about how Hitler is probably in heaven.

[Didymus Much]

Re: unsaved trash

...I believe that the laws of karma are constant and unavoidable, and thus there would not need to be a judge or jury to decide the fate of each soul...

You're claiming an effect without an agent. Shit just doesn't "happen".

Or you're deifying the entire universe, which leads to the contradiction of it wanting to punish a part of itself.

...Hitler insisted on a perfect race of people or what did he do? He exterminated anyone outside that race...

*cough* Ammonites, Midianites, Moabites, the Egyptian plagues, etc. *cough*

[William Taester]

Re: unsaved trash

You clearly need to call my hotline and ask for prayer. Perhaps myself and some other ex-homer brothers can come lay hands on you and pray...and let me tell you we pray VIGOROUSLY!

2 Timothy 1:6 - Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

If need be, we may also use some annoiting oil, which is helpful in "stirring up the spirit" and expelling the demons from your sin-rod which will not be spared from this...for to spare the rod is to spoil the child. Proverbs 13:24

In HIS grip, waiting for the trumpet,
Willie Taster.

[Basilissa]

Re: unsaved trash

I do understand what the Bible says, I simply choose not to follow it. I base my standard on the Golden Rule, basically, "Do unto others as I would have them do unto me."

This is such a wishy-washy thing to say.

What if other people don't want to be done to them what you want to be done to you? For example - what about blood transfusion for a dying Jehovah's Witnesses child? The child nor his parents want it - but do you force the blood transfusion anyway (because YOU would want it for yourself), or do you let the child die, because this is what the parents, and the brainwashed kid himself, want?

Another example. What about forcing Native American kids to go to boarding schools, where they would be beaten for using their languages and maintaining their cultures? It was done in the best interest of the Indians: progress is inevitable, and western society is the shining example which every other society should emulate whether they want it or not. Indians had no other choice, they had to assimilate. (This view has changed in the last 50 years or so, but the destruction of native cultures via boarding schools cannot be undone).

Therefore, the "do unto others" rule can be used to justify things which you - superior white person - can force onto everybody else - the subhuman, uneducated savages.

Are you absolutely sure this is the position you want to hold on to?

I believe that the laws of karma are constant and unavoidable, and thus there would not need to be a judge or jury to decide the fate of each soul on a case-by-case basis. And every person has an inherent sense of right and wrong to guide him in making his life's decision,

What about psychopaths/sociopaths?

so that is basically all he needs to be a good person and achieve a favorable reincarnation. So whether or not a Higher Being created the earth and set these laws of karma in motion is largely irrelevant, because those laws currently exist independently of His/Her/Its/Their daily management.

May I ask you, what are you basing your belief on? Because we Christians have a solid evidence - the Holy Bible. What is the evidence supporting your belief?

[Morton Weinstein]

Re: unsaved trash

One can believe a Higher Power created us without having to believe in the God of the Bible. I have not yet decided exactly what I believe along those lines, but, in my opinion, the theory of reincarnation seems to make a lot of sense. There are many possibilities as to who/what that Higher Power could be, and it could very well be a group of beings. To be honest, I live my life as a good person, I believe I deserve reincarnation. The actual existence or nonexistence of a Higher Power really doesn't seem all that relevant to me personally.

Your soul is bound for hell forever and ever. How sad that is, when the way of salvation is in your grasp.

1. God's own Son, my Savior and my Messiah, died for YOU.

2. You are choosing to take this gift lightly, as if the fact that you find it hard to believe good enough reason to just squander it away.

We love your soul. We want to see you saved and praising God in the highest. We hate your sin, because satan put the sin there and you are cultivating it, watering it, and allowing it to grow. Let me warn you that the wages of sin just happens to be DEATH. Romans 6:23

In the Jewish tradition, we avoid things that tend to make us uncomfortable (wasting money, ignoring our mothers, missing out on a good profit). You can avoid hellfire and God's eternal damnation simply by believing the TRUTH.

“Jesus told him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.’”

Truth is not a principle. Truth is a person: Jesus Christ.
One of the clearest and best-known statements by Jesus is “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).



Notice Jesus says, “I am the truth ...” He doesn’t say truth is a religion or a ritual or a set of rules and regulations. He says “I.” Truth is a person.
This is what separates Jesus Christ from every other leader of every other faith. Other leaders have said, “I’m looking for the truth” or “I’m teaching the truth” or “I point to the truth” or “I’m a prophet of truth.” Jesus comes and says, “I am the truth.” I AM I AM I AM I AM! Not "I might be!"



A lot of people say, “I think Jesus was just a great teacher.” But He couldn’t be just that. No great teacher would claim to be God if he wasn’t. Either Jesus is conning 2.3 billion people who believe a lie, or He was nuts — or Jesus is who He said He was.


Everybody’s betting his or her life on something. I’m betting my life that Jesus is who He said He was. And I am betting my life that unless you decide to follow the truth, your soul is on a one way highway - a highway to hell.

[Morton Weinstein]

Re: unsaved trash

By your own standards, and you don't see the problem with basing a religion on that?

Plus, if someone can "deserve" reincarnation, then there has to be 1) a standard to be met, 2) some agent to act as judge, and 3) a jury (unless that function is combined with 2).

Any agent that would perform as judge or jury without informing the plaintiff/defendant of the standard to be met ahead of time would be acting in a sociopathic manner.

Your god is as evil/crazy as theirs.

A God that loves and forgives and expects worship and praise and a complete surrender of one's will is not evil and/or crazy, Mr. Didymus Much, you atheistically disadvantaged descendant from apes. The God that brought me to the realization that God planned from the days of Adam and Eve his perfect method of salvation is a very wise and analytic God. Being wise and yet being evil is something you might attribute to Hitler - someone whose memory is not one I relish. But never would I attribute it to God, whose precious Son has become my Savior, my Messiah!
Hitler insisted on complete loyalty or what did he do? He exterminated you. Hitler insisted on a perfect race of people or what did he do? He exterminated anyone outside that race.
God insists on perfection (Be ye perfect, as I am perfect) but when God insists on it, He provides the means to achieve it. Did Hitler? No!
God insists on complete loyalty and promises HELL if we are not loyal to Him, but He does so because HIS SON DIED FOR US! I think that gives God a little more leeway in His perfect plan. Did HITLER give HIS ONLY SON to die for us? No!
God created this world several thousand years ago just so we could come to know Him and fellowship with Him. We chose (because He made us to choose this way) to have fruit salad when we could have chosen perfect union with Him, naked and unashamed - but now if I walk down the street naked, it is not permitted. God doesn't like that but it's what we deserve since we were naked and wanted to believe what a serpent said.
God isn't Hitler and the Lord will not be called evil. I would pray if I were you, Mr. Much. I would pray long, hard, and firmly that your petitions of forgiveness are heard and that your soul is cleansed by the BLOOD of our Lord Jesus Christ, my Messiah and Savior.

In HIM,
Morton

[fat old brat]

Re: unsaved trash

I do understand what the Bible says, I simply choose not to follow it. I base my standard on the Golden Rule, basically, "Do unto others as I would have them do unto me." I believe that the laws of karma are constant and unavoidable, and thus there would not need to be a judge or jury to decide the fate of each soul on a case-by-case basis. And every person has an inherent sense of right and wrong to guide him in making his life's decision, so that is basically all he needs to be a good person and achieve a favorable reincarnation. So whether or not a Higher Being created the earth and set these laws of karma in motion is largely irrelevant, because those laws currently exist independently of His/Her/Its/Their daily management.

[Didymus Much]

Re: unsaved trash

...On the other hand your comment about "informing the plaintiff/defendant" falls short concerning GOD, the KJV states all there is to be known, and even atheistic scum accept that "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

So let them burn as it is fit...

We'll discuss this over a lobster dinner sometime? My treat.

[see_the_light]

Re: unsaved trash

By your own standards, and you don't see the problem with basing a religion on that?

Plus, if someone can "deserve" reincarnation, then there has to be 1) a standard to be met, 2) some agent to act as judge, and 3) a jury (unless that function is combined with 2).

Any agent that would perform as judge or jury without informing the plaintiff/defendant of the standard to be met ahead of time would be acting in a sociopathic manner.

Your god is as evil/crazy as theirs.

That is why these people go to hell in a most fitting way.

On the one hand they KNOW there is GOD (even if they fancied one with different requirements for their behavior)

On the other hand your comment about "informing the plaintiff/defendant" falls short concerning GOD, the KJV states all there is to be known, and even atheistic scum accept that "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

So let them burn as it is fit.

PRAISE THE LORD!

[Didymus Much]

Re: unsaved trash

...I live my life as a good person, I believe I deserve reincarnation...

By your own standards, and you don't see the problem with basing a religion on that?

Plus, if someone can "deserve" reincarnation, then there has to be 1) a standard to be met, 2) some agent to act as judge, and 3) a jury (unless that function is combined with 2).

Any agent that would perform as judge or jury without informing the plaintiff/defendant of the standard to be met ahead of time would be acting in a sociopathic manner.

Your god is as evil/crazy as theirs.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: unsaved trash

One can believe a Higher Power created us without having to believe in the God of the Bible.

So what do you base your belief on?

I have not yet decided exactly what I believe along those lines, but, in my opinion, the theory of reincarnation seems to make a lot of sense.

Friend, the truth doesn't come by deciding what appeals most. You can't say, "I believe today ice will be warmer than tap water because it makes sense to me." Your belief, regardless of how sincere it may be, doesn't change the nature of water.

There are many possibilities as to who/what that Higher Power could be, and it could very well be a group of beings. To be honest, I live my life as a good person, I believe I deserve reincarnation. The actual existence or nonexistence of a Higher Power really doesn't seem all that relevant to me personally.

Why not Scientology? Why not paganism? Why not Zoroastrianism? Why would you shop for a religion like you'd shop for a mattress? Why not look for the Truth?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: unsaved trash

Lol, well apparently a good person can be a gay heathen at the same time. And, yes, I can quote any Bible verses you want to throw at me. And, umm, I wasn't trying to convert anyone to reincarnationism, I was asked about my beliefs, and I merely answered the question.

You say that you can quote Scripture but you obviously don't understand what it means.



YIC

[fat old brat]

Re: unsaved trash

Lol, well apparently a good person can be a gay heathen at the same time. And, yes, I can quote any Bible verses you want to throw at me. And, umm, I wasn't trying to convert anyone to reincarnationism, I was asked about my beliefs, and I merely answered the question.