[BelieverInGod]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

I don't hate them,never have, never will. I love them with all I have in me. Since my last post I have found out that after 8 years of not getting pregnant. I am expecting yet again, (That is if I'm able to carry to term) Am I happy about being pregnant with my children so close to being grown? NO I AM NOT!! Will I deal with it and love him/her just as I did my other children? Yes, I will, but I can't still hate diapers, bottles and a screaming baby. All I ask is for a quiet and content baby, Oh yeah and healthy.

Well perhaps you should pick up some books by the Pearls or by James Dobson, they will teach you how to raise a child in a Godly manner.

I feel for your children though, that hatred comes through.

[MsPhoenixFire]

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Wow, you must of been a great mom. Do you remind them daily how much you hated them?

I don't hate them,never have, never will. I love them with all I have in me. Since my last post I have found out that after 8 years of not getting pregnant. I am expecting yet again, (That is if I'm able to carry to term) Am I happy about being pregnant with my children so close to being grown? NO I AM NOT!! Will I deal with it and love him/her just as I did my other children? Yes, I will, but I can't still hate diapers, bottles and a screaming baby. All I ask is for a quiet and content baby, Oh yeah and healthy.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

You "grieve" if you want to, Me I shall rejoice with every period cause it means one more month that I do not have to deal with diapers, bottles or a screaming child attached to my hip. PRAISE GOD my children are past that age.

Wow, you must of been a great mom. Do you remind them daily how much you hated them?

[MsPhoenixFire]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

I grieve every time I have a period, as it means my egg has failed to give life to my husband's sperm. So a life is basically lost every month I do not concieve!

You "grieve" if you want to, Me I shall rejoice with every period cause it means one more month that I do not have to deal with diapers, bottles or a screaming child attached to my hip. PRAISE GOD my children are past that age.

[shadeofwinter]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

I grieve every time I have a period, as it means my egg has failed to give life to my husband's sperm. So a life is basically lost every month I do not concieve!

[BabyDoc]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

You don't need "facts" when you have Jesus!

Praise!

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Betty Bowers you sound like a fool. Jesus is the only fact there is!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

How will abortion issues affect the election?I know several women who are voting for Obama in part because McCain is pro-life and I know that the issue will hurt Obama in more conservative states. With two supreme court justices probably being nominated in the next four years, abortion laws are certainly in the balance again. Will abortion affect your vote?

Uhm....Lady, the election is over with...

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

[sylvian]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

How will abortion issues affect the election?I know several women who are voting for Obama in part because McCain is pro-life and I know that the issue will hurt Obama in more conservative states. With two supreme court justices probably being nominated in the next four years, abortion laws are certainly in the balance again. Will abortion affect your vote?

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

Genesis 2:7

(KJV)


And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.




God is telling us how souls are conveyed, via the breath, and that which breatheth not, liveth not. And I don't mean live as in alive. Many things are alive; birds, trees, mushrooms, kidneys, etc., but only an ensouled human being (i.e. a breathing human being) is capable of choosing between good and evil, right and wrong, Christ and idolatry, and that is what is meant by a living soul.

Please realize, this man formed of the dust of the ground, by God, would have been a perfect physical specimen, in every way indistinguishable from us, except, it was unensouled !! That is what seperates us, the SOUL !! (praise God !!) from the plants, and the animals, the fungus and the Joos !!!


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[JennyD]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

I concur. Scripture is clear, ensoulment occurs at the first breath.

Where was that, again?

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

I believe I already made a thread on this subject. The bible is more pro-abortion than against. And, there are more quotes saying that life begins with the first breath, and not conception.

I concur. Scripture is clear, ensoulment occurs at the first breath. Prior to that, we do not have an entity that can experience knowledge of good and evil. Therefore, aborted fetuses and stillborns neither go to heaven or hell. They weren't and aren't, so to speak.

I will even speculate that a child birthed on a submarine (with mechanically processed air) will not ensoul until the vessel breaches the surface and the hatch is opened.

[Mrs. Betty Bowers]

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You don't need "facts" when you have Jesus!

Praise!

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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Why are Greek texts Christian texts? Because Greeks are Christians!

Look, we don't that archeology stuff that so many false-christians are obsessed with. Trying to dig up proof only proves your lack of faith. That's why we cheered when Bagdad museam got trashed: it's just brocken pottery, and only whining losers care about it, as Anne Coulter famously pointed out.

The only thing related to archeology that I ever cared for was Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, which was a fascinating way to learn about Hinduism and Hindu rituals.

[Orelia]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

may he make thy thigh to rot, and may thy belly swell and burst asunder. Let the cursed water enter into thy belly, and may thy womb swell and they thigh rot." 15:21-22 King James Version

This is one of the textes I mentioned. We were taught that these were GREEK beleifs. There are ancient original textes that depict this very belief, in fact we had access to the entire scene that goes with this text. The woman is brought to the sacrificial altar, and the the "priest" makes her drink the drink (made of rotten and diseased-fill animal remains, poisonus ink, and dust from the altar), in front of the spirits and gods (they mention gods in the text, I don't want to offend anyone but that is what was written!) and the idea is if she cheated and the child is not hers, then an evil spirit will enter her body and get rid of the baby. If she did not cheat, then she gets blessed by the goddess Athena and she may be clensed of all guilt (once more I don't wan't to offend anyone but the text mentions the Greek goddess Athena!!! I swear I did not misread!). This phrase"asunder. Let the cursed water enter into thy belly, and may thy womb swell and they thigh rot." is only a tiny part of the whole text, the text goes on talking of spirits and Greek tradition and of pagan gods! ???? The teacher made it clear that it was greek, and it was definitely not from King James!

Please enlighten me! Why are Greek texts Christian texts? What do they have to do? Christians are not like Greeks are they?

I am further confused with other saying I have seen mentioned many times! Like things that say "women should not speak in church but let her husband explain things to her after the church is over" I'm sorry I don't remember where it is posted so I can't remember exactly what it says... but we have studied texts like this in university religion classes too!
They are the same texts and saying that the Jews used!!! The sacred original Jewish texts had those EXACT sayings as the ones I saw about women having to keep quiet and much more! But I thought you guys HATED Jews? So why follow sayings that Jews follow?

Please I really need answers cause I don't understand how this all sticks together!

[Orelia]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

12 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him
13 by sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act),
14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure-
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder offering to draw attention to guilt.
16 " 'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD.

17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.
20 Butif you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband'"-
21 here st is to put the woman under this curse of the oath-"may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes you to ' have a miscarrying womb and barrenness.
22 May this water cause you to be barren and have a miscarrying womb " " 'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."
23 " 'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
24 He shall have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering.
25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar.
26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water.
27 If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; she will have barrenness and a miscarrying womb, and she will become accursed among her people.
28 If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

I'm REALLY confused right now! PlEASE clarify things out for me!
You see, I know these texts really well! I recognize them because they were main texts we were given to study! I have studied the original ones in my classes, they are so old that the ink that was used to write them was made of ashes, animal blood, tree sap, bone powder and much more, and the paper dated from a time conciding with when they claimed it was written... so it was original sacred texts! NOT a copy... yet our professor taught us that these were sayings used by the Greeks, and the textes accompanying these phrases were clearly depicting Greek people and their Greek beliefs, everything coincided together perfectly! The texts were among Greek textes that talked of the life of Greek people, their accomplishments and great monuments.... but I'm confused now!

Please ANYONE help me out!
I would like to know more about this! Why are Greek rules also Christian rules? I thought they had different beliefs than Christians! Do you know anything about this? Now I'm really confused!! There is NO mistake, THESE were THE SAME EXAAACT TEXTS, and they were really old and dated from the right time period. ????? Also, our pastors have NEVER shown us these writings, NEVER EVER, and none of our people know of these writings, except for those who attend university religion classes.