Why must this be so unreasonable?

[Someone Resonable]

I was marked as "Unsaved Trash speaking nonsense" by your website. To start, I am saved as I have accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. Second if you have an issue with my philosophies than allow us to discuss civilly as Christians as opposed to immediately dismissing what I say. Third the nonsense I was speaking is something that is nearly undeniable. The fact that the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are one and the same. Now you may hate or refute this, but it is near if not impossible to deny.

This does however come with a nice perk. If you accept the fact that Islam and Christianity worship the same god than that means that 53.82% of the worlds population believes in the same god. You may think, great... why do I care. Well, a common argument that atheists use is that since no matter what religion you follow the amount of people against your religion instead of for is always in favor of against, so there must be no God. Well with a majority of the world believing in the same God that argument becomes moot. Just food for thought.


That's all for now, have a nice day!

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

I was marked as "Unsaved Trash speaking nonsense" by your website. To start, I am saved as I have accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. Second if you have an issue with my philosophies than allow us to discuss civilly as Christians as opposed to immediately dismissing what I say. Third the nonsense I was speaking is something that is nearly undeniable. The fact that the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are one and the same. Now you may hate or refute this, but it is near if not impossible to deny.

This does however come with a nice perk. If you accept the fact that Islam and Christianity worship the same god than that means that 53.82% of the worlds population believes in the same god. You may think, great... why do I care. Well, a common argument that atheists use is that since no matter what religion you follow the amount of people against your religion instead of for is always in favor of against, so there must be no God. Well with a majority of the world believing in the same God that argument becomes moot. Just food for thought.

That's all for now, have a nice day!

Oh, dear!

Even if the Muslims, the Catholic Cult and us True Christians™ shared the same God that would do little to help those wallowing in unbelief regarding the one thing that matters:

Jesus.

Christianity is not named after God but after Jesus Christ. Even if you believed in the True™ God, that would still cast you into Hell.. It is not enough, Sweet Jesus! Even demons believe in God

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Why? Because without accepting Jesus they cannot be Saved. Who are to contradict Jesus Himself in this?

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 34:17-18
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Verily, you are under investigation, under the investigation by Jesus In addition, there is one person who should investigate the state of your soul You yourself. Please, investigate your beliefs and compare them to the actual Source of information, the Bible I am praying for you, as I know that you have hope. Why else would we spend the Glorious Birthday of Christ helping you poor sinners see the Light that is the True Word™ of God!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[BrotherLarry]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

I was marked as "Unsaved Trash speaking nonsense" by your website. To start, I am saved as I have accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. Second if you have an issue with my philosophies than allow us to discuss civilly as Christians as opposed to immediately dismissing what I say. Third the nonsense I was speaking is something that is nearly undeniable. The fact that the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are one and the same. Now you may hate or refute this, but it is near if not impossible to deny.

This does however come with a nice perk. If you accept the fact that Islam and Christianity worship the same god than that means that 53.82% of the worlds population believes in the same god. You may think, great... why do I care. Well, a common argument that atheists use is that since no matter what religion you follow the amount of people against your religion instead of for is always in favor of against, so there must be no God. Well with a majority of the world believing in the same God that argument becomes moot. Just food for thought.


That's all for now, have a nice day!

Miss,
You will be known as unsaved trash until the Department of Faith determines otherwise. I endured that title, as have many others. Buck up, buttercup.


As for your claim that Allah and Jehovah, the Great I Am, are one and the same, I don't have time to deal with that here and now as I'd like, but they most assuredly are NOT one and the same. That's like saying Donald Trump and Donald Duck are the same. They may share many qualities, but they are definitely not the same.


May JESUS wash you in His Blood!


BrotherLarry

[Someone Resonable]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

Miss,
You will be known as unsaved trash until the Department of Faith determines otherwise. I endured that title, as have many others. Buck up, buttercup.


As for your claim that Allah and Jehovah, the Great I Am, are one and the same, I don't have time to deal with that here and now as I'd like, but they most assuredly are NOT one and the same. That's like saying Donald Trump and Donald Duck are the same. They may share many qualities, but they are definitely not the same.


May JESUS wash you in His Blood!


BrotherLarry

My issue is not called being called unsaved trash as I know it to be a falsehood. My issue is with ignorance, it is extremely difficult to argue that Yahweh and Allah aren't the same individual, and if you can successfully manage to do so than you have my full respect. My issue was also with the disgust at the idea of other human beings. That is not what Jesus preached, he said to love your neighbor as you do yourself.

[Someone Resonable]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

Oh, dear!

Even if the Muslims, the Catholic Cult and us True Christians™ shared the same God that would do little to help those wallowing in unbelief regarding the one thing that matters:

Jesus.

Christianity is not named after God but after Jesus Christ. Even if you believed in the True™ God, that would still cast you into Hell.. It is not enough, Sweet Jesus! Even demons believe in God

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Why? Because without accepting Jesus they cannot be Saved. Who are to contradict Jesus Himself in this?

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 34:17-18
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Verily, you are under investigation, under the investigation by Jesus In addition, there is one person who should investigate the state of your soul You yourself. Please, investigate your beliefs and compare them to the actual Source of information, the Bible I am praying for you, as I know that you have hope. Why else would we spend the Glorious Birthday of Christ helping you poor sinners see the Light that is the True Word™ of God!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Tis not arguing the point I was attempting to make, however you are correct in a vast majority what you speak. I am happy to have received a reasonable response and wish that if I ever have the time that we could converse on the subject matter using more than keyboards. However your wording towards the end of your statement seemed as if spoken from a bit of a higher stance. It would be advised to not place yourself above your fellow man. (I could have just interpreted it incorrectly, those things do happen without hearing the inflections in someones voice.)

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

My issue is not called being called unsaved trash as I know it to be a falsehood. My issue is with ignorance, it is extremely difficult to argue that Yahweh and Allah aren't the same individual, and if you can successfully manage to do so than you have my full respect. My issue was also with the disgust at the idea of other human beings. That is not what Jesus preached, he said to love your neighbor as you do yourself.

What's more reasonable, letting the Holy Bible speak for itself, or demanding it capitulate to your 21st century, secularly inspired theological philosophy? You should be aware dear, your idea that Jesus suggested our neighbor was whoever is in our immediate vicinity flies in the face of the fact that He criminally and violently assaulted His so-called "neighbors" with whips and unleashed violent and credible threats of bodily harm for their insufficient worship practices (John 2:13-16). His solution for bad habits is for you to lob off your own balls rather than face the eternal torture chamber He created for the so-called "neighbors" He loves ever so much (Mark 9:43-49). Make no mistake, Jesus will send most people to the Fiery Pits of Hell (Matthew 25:31-46) without mercy (Luke 16:22-29). Not only does Jesus not consider sinners to be worthy of our affection, our Salvation is predicated on the condition that we separate ourselves from them and pledge our affections to Him exclusively (2nd Corinthians 6:14-17; Luke 14:26). Those who fail to meet His conditions will b gleefully punishes them for all eternity (Psalm 2:4).

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

The nonsense I was speaking is something that is nearly undeniable. The fact that the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are one and the same. Now you may hate or refute this, but it is near if not impossible to deny.

This does however come with a nice perk. If you accept the fact that Islam and Christianity worship the same god than that means that 53.82% of the worlds population believes in the same god. You may think, great... why do I care. Well, a common argument that atheists use is that since no matter what religion you follow the amount of people against your religion instead of for is always in favor of against, so there must be no God. Well with a majority of the world believing in the same God that argument becomes moot.

As Brother Elmer said, it is Christ that makes a Christian, and Christ is the second Person of the Triune God we worship.

1 Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

To the Muslim, the Trinity is polytheism. The Muslim worships Allah alone; Jesus was just a prophet. To the Jew, Jesus is not the Messiah, let alone God. Those who genuinely trust, follow and serve the second Person of the Godhead are few.

Mt 7:13-14
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

This does however come with a nice perk. If you accept the fact that Islam and Christianity worship the same god than that means that 53.82% of the worlds population believes in the same god. You may think, great... why do I care. Well, a common argument that atheists use is that since no matter what religion you follow the amount of people against your religion instead of for is always in favor of against, so there must be no God. Well with a majority of the world believing in the same God that argument becomes moot. Just food for thought.

Dear friend:

Let's assume arguendo that the God of Christianity and the Allah of Islam are the same God. You are still conflating believing in same God with following the same religion. Christianity and Islam teach mutually exclusive things about God and Allah on a vitally important doctrinal point:

John 3:16 KJV: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Qur'an, Surah al-Ikhlas, 112:1-4: Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

When I quote these verses, no one even takes a stab at arguing that they both are true. Since they differ on a matter necessary for salvation, Christianity and Islam cannot be the same religion.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

Why bother with that Allah fellow and its followers? They follow different rules for everything, deviating from what is in the Bible. They are a path to Hell, as are the Jehova's Witnesses and Mennonites.


God does not like His rules to be follow to certain degree. Read what happenend to Aaron's sons when they mistook the fire to use in a ceremony. Both dead. And they were family of the closest guy to God at the time.


So either you are a Christian and follow the rules 100%, or you are a enemy of God, and then I don't care how do you call yourself, who you praise, or if you are a good person. I do not care, as you are condemned to Hell and I don't want anything to do with you.


That being said, I must admit that countries with the Sharia Law are more of an example of what the Bible says, than western civilizations. Stoning homosexuals, for example, is a great way to praise the Lord. But, again, "almost" is not enough for God.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

The fact that the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are one and the same.

I've had a few more thoughts on this. You seem to be the victim of a dirty trick played by Muslims and Jews.

I take it we can agree the earth was created around 4,000 B.C. Yet Islam wasn't invented until 7th century. This poses a problem, for if Islam is the right religion and Allah the true God, how were people saved in the 4,600 years before Mohammad? Why did Allah leave it so late in the game to reveal himself?

Muslims try to get around this by claiming that all the central figures of the Old Testament, from Adam to David, were in fact Muslims. They even claim – I shudder to say it – that Jesus and His disciples were Muslims. Of course, any discerning person can see right through this.

The Jews play the same dirty trick. They claim the Old Testament saints were adherents of their religion.

But our God did not wait 4,000 years – until the birth of Jesus – to reveal Himself, condemning all those who lived before to eternal damnation. We know from the Bible (mainly the New Testament; it's not spelled out in the Old Testament in so many words) that Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, King David, and indeed all the Old Testament saints, were in fact Christians.

Abraham was a Christian, for Jesus said:

Jn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Abraham believed the Gospel, for Paul said:

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And there is only one Gospel – the one Paul preached 2,000 years after Abraham lived:

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

All True Christians™ share Abraham's faith.

Gal 3:7, 9 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Moses and Elijah Christians, for they believed Jesus would die for their sins.

Lk 9:28-36
28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment [was] white [and] glistering.
30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Moses wrote all about Jesus. Just read the first five books of the Bible:

Jn 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

King David was a Christian, for Jesus was his Lord.

Mat 22:42-45
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

In fact, all the Old Testament saints wished they could just jump in a time machine and travel forward to Jesus' time to witness His ministry as foreshadowed by Moses and the prophets, much like we today wish we could go back and see it as it really happened.

Mt 13:16-17
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

Islam was plagiarized from Christianity and Judaism. Judaism was plagiarized from Christianity over a period of about 1,500 to 500 years before Christ. Christianity, however, came by direct revelation from God – the one and only Triune God, who has been worshipped by the faithful down through all the ages.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

My sympathies to anyone who thinks they can hold their own in a Bible debate with Landover Baptist True Christians™. You will always lose.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

[Jewish people] claim the Old Testament saints were adherents of their religion.

And yet, according to their religion, those prophets were well up against it being murdered whenever they vouchsafed a message from God. Jesus explains it like this:

Matthew 23:37

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

If the Old Testament saints were part of the same religion as was being practised in fact, the message sent by God through them would be celebrated. Or at least acknowledged. God made special allowance for The Israelites being His chosen people and offered them a way to worship Him. Not only did they persist in whatever they were in fact doing (however they misrepresented it) but additionally they condemned God's gift. In these cases the gift was a criticism of their religion with a correction explained to them.

In fact they did not worship Him at all. Jesus knew how much He wanted them to worship Him but they would not do so and it follows in fact that when He arrived in the flesh they would condemn Him too because He contradicted their religion.

God is Jesus. If it were not so how could He free us from sin? Moon idols, no matter what you call them, have nothing to do with the God of Christianity and insisting that followers grovel in the general direction of moon central is something no Christian would ever do. Anyone adhering to the tenets of Salvation as explained by God would not treat Christians as 3rd class citizens and would not go around murdering people who disagreed with them. Anyone doing those things is clearly following some other deity (however they misrepresent it) but their immense hostility is the real giveaway. Who is so insanely jealous of God in fact? Satan.

Only people who agree with God worship God. What about people who disagree with—or even directly contradict—what He tells us? They worship something else. Only Christians worship God.

Exodus 3:14

God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8:58

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

This does however come with a nice perk. If you accept the fact that Islam and Christianity worship the same god than that means that 53.82% of the worlds population believes in the same god. You may think, great... why do I care. Well, a common argument that atheists use is that since no matter what religion you follow the amount of people against your religion instead of for is always in favor of against, so there must be no God. Well with a majority of the world believing in the same God that argument becomes moot. Just food for thought.

Even if one did accept that, which obviously I don't, all one is left with is an argumentum ad populum, aka as (among many other things) the bandwagon fallacy. It's like saying that because the majority of the popular vote was for that dumb Clinton woman, she should have been elected President.

[Isabella White]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

The fact that the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are one and the same. Now you may hate or refute this, but it is near if not impossible to deny.

Young Lady: Do you see any reference to Allah, in the ? Do you see where it says, anywhere in that Great Book, that Allah and the are the same? If your answer is "yes", then please quote your sources. If your answer is "no" (and I pray to that it is), then I think you might like to brush up on reading the Ten Commandments, to learn what has to say about other gods. Thank you.

Sincerely, Isabella W.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why must this be so unreasonable?

I just worked out that if all the hindoo's gods plus those of shinto and buddhism plus all those African figurines and nature spirits plus whatever goths worship plus the wraiths and shades of emos' nightmares, the plumed serpent's cohort, the hallucinations of witches, Russian and Nordic deities, fairies gnomes goblins pixies brownies elves and Leprechauns

..if they're all the same "God" too, despite their advocating things God condemns, that's an awful lot of people and Jesus is going to be very busy when He returns. On the subject of one specific group there is an exception. It follows that True Christianity is not determined by genealogy.

REVELATION 7
Here 5 angels discuss their immediate agenda

3-4 Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.