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  • Pastor Ezekiel
    Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
     
    • Sep 2006
    • 78556

    #31
    Re: Shalom

    Originally posted by David Rothstein View Post
    The ignorance of the Jewish faith and our history is astounding. Is everyone here a mouth-breathing hate monger?

    1.) Those of you that are so fond of Deutschland are fortunate that you do not reside there. Such callous dismissal of the Nazi atrocities is against the law and Germans have been incarcerated for statements such as yours. Even Germany fully admits to the Holocaust.

    2.) Kindly remove the "Christ-killing joo" moniker. Even if Jews were ultimately responsible for the death of your Christ, it is irrelevant. By Jesus' own teachings, He would forgive. And since He HAD to die to "save" you, you should be grateful to whoever nailed Him to the cross. Regardless, I as a Jew, did NOT kill him.

    3.) I DO read the "KJV" bible. Many here do not seem to understand that the Torah refers to the first five books of the OT. And I read it in the original Hebrew as God had Moses write it. One of the reasons you Christians have such a hard time selling others on your religion is due to the silliness it has become in "American" English.

    4.) Torah laws concerning usury only apply to transactions between Jews.
    I actually charge no interest at all to my Jewish brethren. All others, being non-Jewish, represent substantial risk and are handled accordingly.

    I hope we can move forward with civil discussion.

    Shalom

    Take that demonic gibberish out of your signature. That space is reserved for KJV Scripture ONLY. In God's favorite language (American!)!

    And stop being argumentative.
    Who Will Jesus Damn?

    Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

    Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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    • James Dewitt
      #63 on Forbes'...but #1 in Jesus's Heart
      • Jan 2010
      • 6267

      #32
      Re: Shalom

      I just want to know one simple thing, why did you kill Jesus?

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      • Levi Jones
        Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
        Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
        Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
         
        • Jul 2009
        • 13930

        #33
        Re: Shalom

        Originally posted by David Rothstein View Post
        Thank you for the first courteous reply I have seen.

        I am an Ashkenazic Jew and a direct descendant of Polish and German Jews. This is why I find denial of the Holocaust particularly offensive.

        I am fluent in Hebrew and therefore have no need for the Septuagint. The Greeks are the ones that really screwed up translations. Imagine trying to translate metaphorical and pictoral Hebrew through that mess that no one even understands today.

        Shalom
        Why is it that the oldest "pure" Hebrew texts come from the 9th century c.e.?

        The Septuagint predates you Christ killers texts by 1200-1300 years.

        I can see you are a real mensch.
        Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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        • Jo Freddie
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          Hateful God mocking pirate
          • Apr 2009
          • 6339

          #34
          Re: Shalom

          Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
          In God's favorite language (American!)!
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          • Jo Freddie
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            • Apr 2009
            • 6339

            #35
            Re: Shalom

            Originally posted by James Dewitt View Post
            I just want to know one simple thing, why did you kill Jesus?
            In the KJV-CFT they were framed by Jesus and his old man.
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            • EPH289
              Unsaved trash
              • Aug 2010
              • 23

              #36
              Re: Shalom

              Originally posted by Lisa H View Post
              I am sadden by your heartless comment about the murder of Jesus. Please take time to reflect on what Brother Warner said.
              He's commenting to an other post that was made earlier

              Originally posted by landoverlover View Post
              Calling you a 'kike' or a 'hebe' is pointless and rude and unChristian. A Christ-killer, certainly, as that is only factual.

              You ASK to be punished by making the request to call you names. You ASK to be punished by coming onto this CHRISTIAN site, spoiling for a fight. Isn't that the history of your people? You act out like a disobedient whiny child, and God is forced to punish you throughout history. It must have taken a real effort to make a civilized nation so angry with you they killed six million of your number in that little unpleasantness called the Third Reich.
              A killer by law is a murderer.

              Funny thing is that you all point to the bible, so basically you all believe in it. But yet condemn Jews that they are murderer for having crucified Jesus, which was God plans in the beginning of things as he had already promised his coming in the old testament.

              Yet all of you forget a few points. Jesus being the son lf Maria, was a jew, and his disciple were Jews. Not only that but Paul who wasn't directly a disciple of Jesus was also a Jew.

              So saying that Jews are Christ Killers.. well that's outright false, they only accomplished the plan of God, so that all could be saved.

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              • Lisa H
                Proud to be Blonde, Beautiful, and Baptist
                True Christian™
                • Jun 2010
                • 5070

                #37
                Re: Shalom

                Originally posted by EPH289 View Post
                He's commenting to an other post that was made earlier



                A killer by law is a murderer.

                Funny thing is that you all point to the bible, so basically you all believe in it. But yet condemn Jews that they are murderer for having crucified Jesus, which was God plans in the beginning of things as he had already promised his coming in the old testament.

                Yet all of you forget a few points. Jesus being the son lf Maria, was a jew, and his disciple were Jews. Not only that but Paul who wasn't directly a disciple of Jesus was also a Jew.

                So saying that Jews are Christ Killers.. well that's outright false, they only accomplished the plan of God, so that all could be saved.
                So you agree with him. Don't you feel sad that Jesus was murdered.
                Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
                Proverbs 19:25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
                Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
                Proverbs 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
                Genesis 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
                Song of Solomon 1:15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.

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                • EPH289
                  Unsaved trash
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 23

                  #38
                  Re: Shalom

                  Originally posted by Lisa H View Post
                  So you agree with him. Don't you feel sad that Jesus was murdered.
                  I don't feel sad that he sacrificed himself. He knew perfectly the reason why he was on earth. He chose his fate because his love for us was greater than anything, and because it was part of a greater plan.

                  Remember he even told Judas that he forgave him for what he was about to do, at the last dinner they had with him.

                  Jesus being God already knew he was going to die because that is what he had planned.

                  In john 13:24-30 You even see Jesus telling Judas to do what he had to do.

                  26Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. 27As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him, 28but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. 29Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the Feast, or to give something to the poor. 30As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night.

                  So you see, it's by the will of Jesus (God) that he was actually sacrificed. He could have stopped it any time, and it could have happened in any other place on the world. So by being fully aware that he was about to die, by having planned it before hand, as it was prophesied in the old testament, and by telling Judas to hurry and do what he knew he was going to do, was that murder? No. It was God who guided man to do what was needed to be done to save mankind.

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                  • Lisa H
                    Proud to be Blonde, Beautiful, and Baptist
                    True Christian™
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 5070

                    #39
                    Re: Shalom

                    Originally posted by EPH289 View Post
                    I don't feel sad that he sacrificed himself. He knew perfectly the reason why he was on earth. He chose his fate because his love for us was greater than anything, and because it was part of a greater plan.

                    Remember he even told Judas that he forgave him for what he was about to do, at the last dinner they had with him.

                    Jesus being God already knew he was going to die because that is what he had planned.

                    In john 13:24-30 You even see Jesus telling Judas to do what he had to do.

                    26Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. 27As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him, 28but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. 29Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the Feast, or to give something to the poor. 30As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night.

                    So you see, it's by the will of Jesus (God) that he was actually sacrificed. He could have stopped it any time, and it could have happened in any other place on the world. So by being fully aware that he was about to die, by having planned it before hand, as it was prophesied in the old testament, and by telling Judas to hurry and do what he knew he was going to do, was that murder? No. It was God who guided man to do what was needed to be done to save mankind.
                    Go back and look at my post at #17. The Jews could have saved Him. How many did Jesus heal from demons and sickness.
                    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
                    Proverbs 19:25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
                    Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
                    Proverbs 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
                    Genesis 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
                    Song of Solomon 1:15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.

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                    • Jo Freddie
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                      • Apr 2009
                      • 6339

                      #40
                      Re: Shalom

                      Originally posted by Lisa H View Post
                      Go back and look at my post at #17. The Jews could have saved Him. How many did Jesus heal from demons and sickness.
                      That would not have fitted with the plot of the story the chasers had in mind, the plot was that Jesus and his old man wanted to frame the Jews.
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                      • David Rothstein
                        Unsaved trash, Christ-killing joo
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 95

                        #41
                        Re: Shalom

                        Originally posted by Levi Jones View Post
                        Why is it that the oldest "pure" Hebrew texts come from the 9th century c.e.?

                        The Septuagint predates you Christ killers texts by 1200-1300 years.

                        I can see you are a real mensch.
                        Most of the contents of the Tanakh (or Masoretic Text) was compiled by 450 BCE and has remained essentially unchanged to this date.

                        The Dead Sea Scrolls date to 150 BCE and 70 CE.

                        The Dead Sea Scrolls essentially confirm the authenticity of the Tanakh. This should not be a surprise as the Tanakh is NOT a translation and therefore not subject to the linguistic compromises of a Greek rendering of Hebrew that one finds in the Septuagint.

                        Shalom
                        Acts 14:2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.

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                        • Phebe Carlyle
                          GALS 4 GOD Guidance Counseler
                          Expert at baking, sewing, and rebuking unsaved scum
                          True Christian™
                          • May 2010
                          • 2604

                          #42
                          Re: Shalom

                          Originally posted by David Rothstein View Post
                          Most of the contents of the Tanakh (or Masoretic Text) was compiled by 450 BCE and has remained essentially unchanged to this date.

                          The Dead Sea Scrolls date to 150 BCE and 70 CE.

                          The Dead Sea Scrolls essentially confirm the authenticity of the Tanakh. This should not be a surprise as the Tanakh is NOT a translation and therefore not subject to the linguistic compromises of a Greek rendering of Hebrew that one finds in the Septuagint.

                          Shalom
                          Hmm... Seems strange that a Joo would have to resort to wikipedia for information, sir!

                          Just know, here we don't even bother with the tripe posted there as "fact"

                          Try again, Jesus killer!

                          YIC

                          Mrs. Phebe Dewitt.




                          There's Jesus here,
                          Just see what He offers me....
                          Down here my sins forgiven,
                          Up there a home in heaven
                          Praise God, That's the way for me!!

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                          • Warner S. Davidson
                            True Christian™
                            True Christian™
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 586

                            #43
                            Re: Shalom

                            Originally Posted by Mrs. Phebe Dewitt
                            Hmm... Seems strange that a Joo would have to resort to wikipedia for information, sir!

                            Just know, here we don't even bother with the tripe posted there as "fact"

                            Try again, Jesus killer!

                            YIC

                            Mrs. Phebe Dewitt.

                            Sister Phebe

                            There is little doubt that he is a grubby money trading charlatan.
                            It is apparent that nothing changes even after 2000 years.

                            I am surprised that he has the time to spare as all Joos are time poor.
                            In between murdering God’s saviours, pawning watches, worshipping Satan and selling bagel franchises where is the time to torment us True Christians(tm)?
                            2 Samuel 22:31

                            As for God, His way is perfect;
                            The word of the LORD is proven;
                            He is a shield to all who trust in Him.

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                            • David Rothstein
                              Unsaved trash, Christ-killing joo
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 95

                              #44
                              Re: Shalom

                              Originally posted by Mrs. Phebe Dewitt View Post
                              Hmm... Seems strange that a Joo would have to resort to wikipedia for information, sir!

                              Just know, here we don't even bother with the tripe posted there as "fact"

                              Try again, Jesus killer!

                              YIC

                              Mrs. Phebe Dewitt.
                              Mrs. Dimwitt,

                              Your response is disheartening. I thought we might get somewhere through civil and intellectual intercourse, but I see that you are just one of the hundreds of rabid mouth-breathing fanatics here, and a woman no less. But your self-loathing and tendency to strike out as a serpent is understandable given your wicked sin.

                              "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." Genesis 3:6
                              Even as a wealthy Jew, I do not have access to the Dead Sea Scrolls. But you can order our Tanakh here, provided you have any money as a Gentile, which is doubtful.

                              Shalom
                              Acts 14:2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.

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                              • Levi Jones
                                Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                                Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                                Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                                 
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 13930

                                #45
                                Re: Shalom

                                Originally posted by David Rothstein View Post
                                Most of the contents of the Tanakh (or Masoretic Text) was compiled by 450 BCE and has remained essentially unchanged to this date.
                                No one is buying it, Schlomo. The oldest Hebrew texts are the masoretic texts.

                                Originally posted by David Rothstein View Post
                                The Dead Sea Scrolls date to 150 BCE and 70 CE.
                                Discovered with what? Oh yeah, the old Hebrew with a collection of Christian writings.


                                Originally posted by David Rothstein View Post
                                The Dead Sea Scrolls essentially confirm the authenticity of the Tanakh.
                                Shalom
                                I accept your belief in Christ!

                                Welcome, Brother in Jesus!
                                Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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