[James Hutchins]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

I have prayed but not to become right handed. I gave up praying after they were ignored.

I cannot simply become right handed, if I were to use my right hand would that not simply make me ambidextrous and still a sinner??

In some circles, the offending extremity is simply removed, thereby making it impossible to be left handed. Though not being a Pastor, I do not know which is worse, the mutilation of God's creation or the being left handed. It is a very good question.

[Agent Texas]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

You are welcome. If you'd like another infraction, let me know.

Sorry about being female, there is nothing I can do for you there. Perhaps if you give yourself to God, find a man who can tolerate you, keep your mouth shut unless asked a question, cook tasty meals and keep a clean house, God may forgive you indiscretions.

YIC
JH

Indeed there is nothing to be done about the female issue, I have a man that toloerates me as you put infact we are married. There is no one on earth that can make me keep my mouth shut, I can only cook simple meals and as for cleaning well as I seem to live only in sin an am unclean myself I must at least keep a clean home.

And I doubt God will ever forgive me and I shant forgive him for his infraction to me.

[Agent Texas]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

In some circles, the offending extremity is simply removed, thereby making it impossible to be left handed. Though not being a Pastor, I do not know which is worse, the mutilation of God's creation or the being left handed. It is a very good question.

Thankyou on your compliment of my question. An answer from a Pastor would be most interesting as surely there is a conflict of interest as u say. Mutilation or Lefthanded.


Also God=Life: I am not saying sure go ahead, I merely said if you BOTH feel ready. I am not encouraging them I am just saying for them look inside themselves for answers to their questions.

[GOD=life]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

I merely said if you BOTH feel ready

Okay, but this does not apply until both reach the age of consent. Otherwise, statutory rape laws come into effect and one of them may face legal action.

So the whole question is irrelevant for now anyway.

[Agent Texas]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Okay, but this does not apply until both reach the age of consent. Otherwise, statutory rape laws come into effect and one of them may face legal action.

So the whole question is irrelevant for now anyway.

Is 16 not the age of consent? It is here. So if it is not where they are from then I apologise whole heartedly and add to my orginal post to await the age of consent if nothing else so that our young couple do not have to face disiplinary action and face being apart for some time.

[Captain James T. Kirk]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Do you know that Kes on the Starship Voyager was only 3 years old when she joined the crew and she was dating Neelix, a warthog alien! How sick is that?!?! LOL!



But that's off-topic. Dude, if you're in love and of legal age, do what you're ready for and use protection! I can't tell you how many cases of space syphilis I've had!

[EightyEight]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

I think a few things should be cleared up here, to avoid confusion.

That makes you a pedophile!

I looked it up on the internet, so don't tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong. A pedophile is defined as "an adult who is sexually attracted to young children." (source: Dictionary.com). As they were both 9 years old at the time, it is impossible for either of them to have been a pedophile, as neither of were adults at the time--nor are they right now, for that matter.

Furthermore, I don't believe the dictionary definition supports this, but it is commonly accepted that a pedophile is also defined as an adult who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Thus, even if the boy turns 18 while his girlfriend is still 17 (underage, as it were), he would still not be considered a pedophile.

Two words: statutory rape. The guy thinks he's having consensual sex. Then he's thrown in jail and called a rapist. It happens all the time.

GOD=life, I respect you, because you seem to be one of the most educated and coherent people on this forums. And, while I believe you make a very solid point here (it's sad how many good men are thrown in jail for such a silly reason), I believe you are being a little bit extreme.

Statutory rape is defined as a person "of age" (a person above the age of consent, or whom is considered an adult), engaging in "consensual" sex with an underage partner. As they are both the same age, this won't be a problem until the boy surpasses the age of consent, provided his female partner does not also do so (or vis versa). At this point, it would be wise for him to wait for his partner to get older, thereby avoiding any legal drama.

I should point out that quoting Wikipedia is usually not accepted in intelligent debate, because it is a community-driven encyclopedia, and although much of the information is based on solid facts, some of it is not.


OP, if you're still reading this thread, do whatever you want. My advice, wear a condom so you don't accidentally end up with a child when you clearly are not capable of supporting one.

[GOD=life]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Neelix, a warthog alien! How sick is that?!?!

Bah. Just look at that pedophile grin on his face.

[GOD=life]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Statutory rape is defined as a person "of age" (a person above the age of consent, or whom is considered an adult), engaging in "consensual" sex with an underage partner.

Well, as I understand it is "Statutory rape is illegal sexual activity between two people when it would otherwise be legal if not for their age" -- from http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_statutory_rape

The real question is why they don't have marriage plans.

I should point out that quoting Wikipedia is usually not accepted in intelligent debate, because it is a community-driven encyclopedia, and although much of the information is based on solid facts, some of it is not.

I can only agree wholeheartedly with that statement However, discounting something because it was quoted from WickedPedia would be an inverse appeal to authority and a fallacy.

OP, if you're still reading this thread, do whatever you want.

Yeah, it's not like they have a chance to go to Heaven anyway. Hey, why not invite a prostitute over as well and do drugs? Sheesh.

[EightyEight]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

I can only agree wholeheartedly with that statement However, discounting something because it was quoted from WickedPedia would be an inverse appeal to authority and a fallacy.

Very true. And I certainly wasn't completely discounting the information, especially since it can be quoted from other, more credible sources--as you have done here.

Well, as I understand it is "Statutory rape is illegal sexual activity between two people when it would otherwise be legal if not for their age" -- from http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_statutory_rape

Taken from the site you referenced:

In accordance with the FBI definition, statutory rape is characterized as non-forcible sexual intercourse with a person who is younger than the statutory age of consent.

Again, one of the partners must be over the age of consent, and the other must be under said age.

Actually, it seems that every source I can find says something to the effect of "sex with a person under the age of consent". I suppose that doesn't say the other partner must be above the age of consent--I'll admit, I assumed that. It also seems that the laws vary GREATLY by state. In one state, one might get life in prison; in another, a slap on the wrist.

In that case, OP, I'd wait until you're both old enough

I am not condoning underage sexual intercourse, of course. But we can't be giving these words other meanings to support our argument (could this be considered a fallacy of equivocation?).

Yeah, it's not like they have a chance to go to Heaven anyway. Hey, why not invite a prostitute over as well and do drugs? Sheesh.

This made me laugh

[TheLordSavedMe]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

You're wrong. A pedophile is defined as "an adult who is sexually attracted to young children." (source: Dictionary.com). As they were both 9 years old at the time, it is impossible for either of them to have been a pedophile, as neither of were adults at the time--nor are they right now, for that matter.

Furthermore, I don't believe the dictionary definition supports this, but it is commonly accepted that a pedophile is also defined as an adult who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Thus, even if the boy turns 18 while his girlfriend is still 17 (underage, as it were), he would still not be considered a pedophile.

So you think it's OK for kids to have sex as long as they are the same age? That's disgusting AND against God!

First, sex is for having babies, not for having fun.

Second, little kids can't get married, and sex before marriage is adultery.

Third, you seem to know a lot about little kids having sex. I bet you're one of those kiddie porn pedophiles yourself!

You better repent, or you're going to end up in HELL!!!

Tammi

[Noah Dint]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

Listen to Tammi!

She is absolutely right!

Open your arms to Jesus and listen to him. We all know basic right from wrong. If you really are confused then read your Bible and pray hard about it.

When in doubt! - let our Savior be your guide! Glory!

-ND

[GOD=life]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

This made me laugh

I am happy that my words caused a physical reaction that is scientifically proven to be advantageous to one's health.

[EightyEight]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

You better repent, or you're going to end up in HELL!!!

Tammi

Thank you for that, first of all. It's clear you care a lot about my existence, and I am nothing short of flattered.


However, if you would allow me to quote myself in defense:

I am not condoning underage sexual intercourse, of course

I believe that is on the same page as your most recent post. If you would be so kind as to read said post, we could avoid much confusion.

So you think it's OK for kids to have sex as long as they are the same age? That's disgusting AND against God!

I agree, it is against God, and in some cases disgusting. Age 16 is, even in my eyes, too young to be fornicating. Previously, when I said "do whatever you want" I was operating on the assumption that the OP wasn't going to listen to the advice given to him by the good people of this forum (as many rebellious teens tend to do), and therefore advised him to at least use a condom.

I then stated, in the post quoted above, that I think he should wait until they are both of age, so as to avoid the legal troubles which GOD=life so thoughtfully outlined.

Second, little kids can't get married,

Very true!

and sex before marriage is adultery.

I thought adultery was when a married person has sexual intercourse with another partner? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Third, you seem to know a lot about little kids having sex. I bet you're one of those kiddie porn pedophiles yourself!

Oh gosh no! I actually knew nothing of statutory rape until, again, GOD=life brought it to my attention. I had heard the term used before, but was unclear of it's definition, so I proceeded to look it up.

I assume you are referring to how I corrected you on the definition of "pedophile". Again, I simply did a little bit of research to find the definition, this doesn't mean I know a lot about "little kids having sex", as you so graciously put it.

I would really like to avoid the name-calling, as I believe that is an example of the ad hominem fallacy (GOD=life, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ), and is--simply put--unnecessary.

It also serves quite well in derailing the thread. As you can see, I accepted defeat, in a sense, when GOD=life proved me wrong about the statutory rape subject. I was, in a sense, done posting in this thread, until you started insulting me. Now I have to spend time defending myself and re-railing the thread so as not to get even further off topic.

If you wish to belittle me, I cannot stop you, but feel free to send me a personal message (provided this particular forum has such a system in place; I am not sure of that yet), or an e-mail, and I will address your arguments there, where it will not distract the rest of the people from the original topic.

Thanks again!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: sex with my girlfriend

this doesn't mean I know a lot about "little kids having sex", as you so graciously put it

That is good to know. We started to get a bit worried here.