[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Hello friends! Recently, I just finished re-reading Revelation and started re-reading Genesis again, when I noticed something. God created light before he created the sun!

God created light on the first day:

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Genesis 1:3

Then, on the third day, God created plants:

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:11

And then, on the FOURTH day, God created the sun, the moon and the stars:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:14-17

At first, my mind reeled. Had I been mislead? Was everything I believed in a lie?

And it was then that the answer hit me. I was just being a stupid woman! The answer to this apparent contraindication is so blatantly obvious that I just had to laugh at myself for momentarily doubting the inerrancy of the Bible (and of course, after that I immediately locked myself in my prayer closet for a few hours to beg forgiveness).

The sun and moon don't actually emit light at all! They are, instead, something like giant light switches that God uses to turn the ambient light around us up and down! Take another look at Genesis 1:15-17, I have bolded what I think are the important parts for this theory:

"And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:15-17

Absolutely no where in this passage does it imply that the sun or the moon actually emit light that travels towards the earth. Rather, it uses the terms "give light upon the earth" and "light to rule the day/night". Since we know that light cannot travel at all (we'd all be walking around covered in bruises from all the light hitting us all the time), I believe that when the Bible says they give light upon the earth, it's actually just turning the ambient light up and down. Just like when I walk into a dark room and hit a light switch to turn the ambient light up, I think it is obvious that when God wants to change the ambient lighting of the earth (to go from night to day, for example), he just switches the sun on and then waits for the appropriate time to switch it off and then turn the moon on.

What do the Creation Scientist men here think of this theory?

I have been thinking about this, and looking at some of the source material.

Sister Lycia's comments have been very accurate, consistent (they are quoting and reflecting upon God's Word after all) and, as always, illuminating.

Additionally, Sister Adilene made this perceptive post:

I'm probably wrong, but perhaps he meant light, like from candles? fire?

JAMES 1:11 For the Sunne is no sooner risen with a burning heate, but it withereth the grasse; and the flowre thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his wayes. ©1611

The focus of this text is "the rich man" relating/identifying the sun's having risen in such a way that we are to think of the rich man as having (similarly) risen (to his current status) - the high temperature associated with the sun could also be a burning wind BUT in the sense of its burning/withering property (as opposed to its "blowing").

In a way this is similar to the postulated "solar wind" of meagre "science" - but it is not the same.

The fading away of our rich man is associated with his rising to his estate, but is not the same as his estate. The contitions which produce his fading are akin to the conditions which accompany the sun's rising and which produce withering of vegetation, but are not a part of the sun any more than the equivalent conditions are a part of the rich man's wealth.

It would be possible to write the sentence (James 1:11) with the "rich man" bit first, but it would be a clumsy solution and James' elegant original stands in striking harmony with Moses' revelation in Genesis: altogether quite beautiful!

[God's Flaming Sword]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Hello friends! Recently, I just finished re-reading Revelation and started re-reading Genesis again, when I noticed something. God created light before he created the sun!

God created light on the first day:

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Genesis 1:3

Then, on the third day, God created plants:

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:11

And then, on the FOURTH day, God created the sun, the moon and the stars:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:14-17

At first, my mind reeled. Had I been mislead? Was everything I believed in a lie?

And it was then that the answer hit me. I was just being a stupid woman! The answer to this apparent contraindication is so blatantly obvious that I just had to laugh at myself for momentarily doubting the inerrancy of the Bible (and of course, after that I immediately locked myself in my prayer closet for a few hours to beg forgiveness).

The sun and moon don't actually emit light at all! They are, instead, something like giant light switches that God uses to turn the ambient light around us up and down! Take another look at Genesis 1:15-17, I have bolded what I think are the important parts for this theory:

"And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:15-17

Absolutely no where in this passage does it imply that the sun or the moon actually emit light that travels towards the earth. Rather, it uses the terms "give light upon the earth" and "light to rule the day/night". Since we know that light cannot travel at all (we'd all be walking around covered in bruises from all the light hitting us all the time), I believe that when the Bible says they give light upon the earth, it's actually just turning the ambient light up and down. Just like when I walk into a dark room and hit a light switch to turn the ambient light up, I think it is obvious that when God wants to change the ambient lighting of the earth (to go from night to day, for example), he just switches the sun on and then waits for the appropriate time to switch it off and then turn the moon on.

What do the Creation Scientist men here think of this theory?

Excellent work Lycia,

I like to think of myself as a scientist but I am happy to admit that we cannot know or understand all of God's works.

My personal feeling is that our light is God's love shining down on us and the sun simply focuses that love onto us as does the moon. They are focal points in the firmament for God's love.

You also make a VERY important point here that all unsaved trash would do very well to remember - The Bible is the perfect word of the Lord and is NEVER EVER wrong. There are no contradictions or mistakes - If it seems like this then it is a flaw in our understanding of the scriptures. we need to go back and read and re-read until we accept and understand it better.

As for trying to measure the speed of light - this is a fools errand. It is as the good pastor says instantaneous. The figure of 186,000 mph is a wild stab at a number to try and make other shoddy secular science work. Nothing on God's earth goes anywhere near that speed so how can anyone know?

[peaceandlies]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

I would assume that God created the possibility for light to exist - he created the thing. Then he created the sun as a source for the light.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

I would assume that God created the possibility for light to exist - he created the thing. Then he created the sun as a source for the light.

GENESIS 1 3-19
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God diuided the light from the darkenesse.
5 And God called the light, Day, and the darknesse he called Night: and the euening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament; and diuided the waters, which were vnder the firmament, from the waters, which were aboue the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament, Heauen: and the euening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters vnder the heauen be gathered together vnto one place, and let the dry land appeare: and it was so.
10 And God called the drie land, Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called hee, Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the Earth bring foorth grasse, the herbe yeelding seed, and the fruit tree, yeelding fruit after his kinde, whose seed is in it selfe, vpon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought foorth grasse, and herbe yeelding seed after his kinde, and the tree yeelding fruit, whose seed was in it selfe, after his kinde: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the euening and the morning were the third day.

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14 And God said, Let there bee lights in the firmament of the heauen, to diuide the day from the night: and let them be for signes and for seasons, and for dayes and yeeres.
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heauen, to giue light vpon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the starres also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heauen, to giue light vpon the earth:
18 And to rule ouer the day, and ouer the night, and to diuide the light from the darkenesse: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the euening and the morning were the fourth day.

Photosynthesis as suggested by false, secular "scientists" exists independently of the sun. Perhaps it is so - but "scientific" ideas about the energy source involved are clearly erroneous, light predating the sun by three epochs:
1 - light created DAY 1
2 - the firmament of Heaven created DAY 2
3 - flowering plants created DAY 3
4 - the sun created DAY 4

The function of the sun is essentially calendric.

[Bible Student]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

I would assume that God created the possibility for light to exist - he created the thing. Then he created the sun as a source for the light.

You are confusing two separate creations. First God created light. Then he created the sun later. The proof of that is that you can see light and not see the sun. You sometimes can see the sun and there is also light. If the sun was responsible for the light then all you would see is the light and not the sun or even the sun and no light.

Why do you feel the need to distort God's holy words as found in the 1611 King James Bible.

[peaceandlies]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

No, the sun is not the only source of light. There is also candles and electicity.

[Ksevio]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

There isn't any mention of the sun at all in the Creation, so one could assume that there isn't actually a sun, just a pure light.

However, if you look at Jeremiah 31:35, you can see:
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

So it's safe to say that light comes from the sun (in the day), but maybe just the sun IS light.

[Bible Student]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

There isn't any mention of the sun at all in the Creation, so one could assume that there isn't actually a sun, just a pure light.

However, if you look at Jeremiah 31:35, you can see:
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

So it's safe to say that light comes from the sun (in the day), but maybe just the sun IS light.

Genesis 1:14-19 -- And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

And just how many great lights in the day that are in the firmament of heaven do you know of? And how many great lights in the night that are in the firmament of heaven are you aware of?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Genesis 1:14-19 -- And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

And just how many great lights in the day that are in the firmament of heaven do you know of? And how many great lights in the night that are in the firmament of heaven are you aware of?

I was thinking about this earlier, but there was a knock on the door and I've been tied up all afternoon. But I'm free again now, and will start with

GENESIS 15
9 And he said vnto him, Take me an heifer of three yeeres old, and a shee goat of three yeeres old, and a ramme of three yeeres old, and a turtle doue, and a yong pigeon.
10 And he tooke vnto him all these, and diuided them in the midst, and layd each peece one against another: but the birds diuided he not.
11 And when the fowles came downe vpon the carcases, Abram droue them away.
12 And when the Sunne was going downe, a deepe sleepe fell vpon Abram: and loe, an horrour of great darkenesse fell vpon him.
©1611 [ J ]

This is the first mention of the sun as such. It is a beautiful scene with Abram lying unconscious and horror-stricken next to some assorted carcasses in various stages of dismemberment following his dialogue with God. The surrounding unbelievers did not worship God - most of them would have followed the ravings of fraudulent moon-god "priests" or "worshipped" the sun.

My understanding has been that the Biblical record avoided naming “The Sun” or “The Moon” explicitly to avoid any suggestion that these heavenly bodies were deities - as was commonly believed by the surrounding heathens.

Genesis 15
17 And it came to passe that when the Sunne went downe, and it was darke, behold, a smoking furnace, and a burning lampe that passed betweene those pieces.
18 In that same day the LORD made a couenant with Abram, saying; Unto thy seed haue I giuen this land from the riuer of Egypt vnto the great riuer, the riuer Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizites, and the Kadmonites:
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Iebusites.
©1611 [ J ]

The absence of the sun is associated with darkness here, but the glorious light of deliverance would soon be a reality - from Abraham through Isaac, Israel (but not if you were a Kenite, Kenizite, Kadmonite, Hittite, Perizzite, Rephaite, Amorite, Canaanite, Girgashite or Jebusite of course which groups had opted for extermination) King David and Jesus:

JOHN 1
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not.
©1611

PRAISE HIM !

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It is perhaps worth mentioning here that darkness is a seperate creation: it is not just the absence of light.

ISAIAH 45
6 That they may knowe from the rising of the Sun, and from the West, that there is none besides me, I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I (that's God speaking) forme the light, and create darkenesse: I make peace, and create euill: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop downe, ye heauens, from aboue, and let the skies powre downe righteousnesse: let the earth open, and let them bring forth saluation, and let righteousnesse spring vp together: I the Lord haue created it.
9 Woe vnto him that striueth with his maker: Let the potsheard striue with the potsheards of the earth: shal the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy worke, he hath no hands?
10 Woe vnto him that saith vnto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his maker, Aske me of things to come concerning my sonnes, and concerning the worke of my hands command ye me.
12 I haue made the earth, and created man vpon it: I, euen my handes haue stretched out the heauens, and all their hoste haue I commanded.
©1611

HALLELUJAH !

[Bible Student]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

I was thinking about this earlier, but there was a knock on the door and I've been tied up all afternoon. But I'm free again now, and will start with

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It is perhaps worth mentioning here that darkness is a seperate creation: it is not just the absence of light.

ISAIAH 45
6 That they may knowe from the rising of the Sun, and from the West, that there is none besides me, I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I (that's God speaking) forme the light, and create darkenesse: I make peace, and create euill: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop downe, ye heauens, from aboue, and let the skies powre downe righteousnesse: let the earth open, and let them bring forth saluation, and let righteousnesse spring vp together: I the Lord haue created it.
9 Woe vnto him that striueth with his maker: Let the potsheard striue with the potsheards of the earth: shal the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy worke, he hath no hands?
10 Woe vnto him that saith vnto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his maker, Aske me of things to come concerning my sonnes, and concerning the worke of my hands command ye me.
12 I haue made the earth, and created man vpon it: I, euen my handes haue stretched out the heauens, and all their hoste haue I commanded.
©1611

HALLELUJAH !

Excellent point. Most Unsaved Trash miss those verses.

[Ksevio]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

But the underlying question seems to be misinformed.

Rather than "Does the Sun even emit light?", it should be "What is the sun and where does light come from?".

The secular sceince belief is that the sun is a thing, but really it's just the light provided by God Himself.

[The Chimp]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Of course the Sun emits light! Duh!

[Jesus is Lord]

Of course the Sun emits light! Duh!

Care to back that up, preferbly with scripture (KJV only)? Others have already proven with scripture that the sun does not in fact emit light.
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[The Chimp]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Care to back that up, preferbly with scripture (KJV only)? Others have already proven with scripture that the sun does not in fact emit light.

Are you serious? Just look up, you can see the Sun is bright! Don't look too long or you will go blind.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Are you serious? Just look up, you can see the Sun is bright! Don't look too long or you will go blind.

Are you serious? Is that what Jesus is Lord asked you? Heaving reading comprehension problems today?