Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

[Lycia The Repentant]

Hello friends! Recently, I just finished re-reading Revelation and started re-reading Genesis again, when I noticed something. God created light before he created the sun!

God created light on the first day:

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Genesis 1:3

Then, on the third day, God created plants:

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:11

And then, on the FOURTH day, God created the sun, the moon and the stars:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:14-17

At first, my mind reeled. Had I been mislead? Was everything I believed in a lie?

And it was then that the answer hit me. I was just being a stupid woman! The answer to this apparent contraindication is so blatantly obvious that I just had to laugh at myself for momentarily doubting the inerrancy of the Bible (and of course, after that I immediately locked myself in my prayer closet for a few hours to beg forgiveness).

The sun and moon don't actually emit light at all! They are, instead, something like giant light switches that God uses to turn the ambient light around us up and down! Take another look at Genesis 1:15-17, I have bolded what I think are the important parts for this theory:

"And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:15-17

Absolutely no where in this passage does it imply that the sun or the moon actually emit light that travels towards the earth. Rather, it uses the terms "give light upon the earth" and "light to rule the day/night". Since we know that light cannot travel at all (we'd all be walking around covered in bruises from all the light hitting us all the time), I believe that when the Bible says they give light upon the earth, it's actually just turning the ambient light up and down. Just like when I walk into a dark room and hit a light switch to turn the ambient light up, I think it is obvious that when God wants to change the ambient lighting of the earth (to go from night to day, for example), he just switches the sun on and then waits for the appropriate time to switch it off and then turn the moon on.

What do the Creation Scientist men here think of this theory?

[Adilene]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Hello friends! Recently, I just finished re-reading Revelation and started re-reading Genesis again, when I noticed something. God created light before he created the sun!

God created light on the first day:

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Genesis 1:3

Then, on the third day, God created plants:

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:11

And then, on the FOURTH day, God created the sun, the moon and the stars:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:14-17

At first, my mind reeled. Had I been mislead? Was everything I believed in a lie?

And it was then that the answer hit me. I was just being a stupid woman! The answer to this apparent contraindication is so blatantly obvious that I just had to laugh at myself for momentarily doubting the inerrancy of the Bible (and of course, after that I immediately locked myself in my prayer closet for a few hours to beg forgiveness).

The sun and moon don't actually emit light at all! They are, instead, something like giant light switches that God uses to turn the ambient light around us up and down! Take another look at Genesis 1:15-17, I have bolded what I think are the important parts for this theory:

"And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:15-17

Absolutely no where in this passage does it imply that the sun or the moon actually emit light that travels towards the earth. Rather, it uses the terms "give light upon the earth" and "light to rule the day/night". Since we know that light cannot travel at all (we'd all be walking around covered in bruises from all the light hitting us all the time), I believe that when the Bible says they give light upon the earth, it's actually just turning the ambient light up and down. Just like when I walk into a dark room and hit a light switch to turn the ambient light up, I think it is obvious that when God wants to change the ambient lighting of the earth (to go from night to day, for example), he just switches the sun on and then waits for the appropriate time to switch it off and then turn the moon on.

What do the Creation Scientist men here think of this theory?

I'm probably wrong, but perhaps he meant light, like from candles? fire?

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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Speaking of light, it occurs to me, that as the first aspect of Creation, er, created, that light must not have a 'speed'. It has to be instantaneous.

When scientists are blathering all their scientific folderol, and mention the speed of light being so many thousands of miles per second, well, I just have to laugh.

Why would light have a finite speed anyhow? Light is how God keeps track of all that goes on in His creation, and He would need light to work instantly for Him to be able to do so.



Just had to get that off my chest, thanx!

[Aristotle]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Speaking of light, it occurs to me, that as the first aspect of Creation, er, created, that light must not have a 'speed'. It has to be instantaneous.

When scientists are blathering all their scientific folderol, and mention the speed of light being so many thousands of miles per second, well, I just have to laugh.

Why would light have a finite speed anyhow? Light is how God keeps track of all that goes on in His creation, and He would need light to work instantly for Him to be able to do so.



Just had to get that off my chest, thanx!

You make a good point. Has anybody on this forum actually measured the speed of light? Maybe what those liberal scientists actually measured was not light speed but the time it took to open and close the lantern shutters on opposite mountains when they claimed to measure it.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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You make a good point. Has anybody on this forum actually measured the speed of light? Maybe what those liberal scientists actually measured was not light speed but the time it took to open and close the lantern shutters on opposite mountains when they claimed to measure it.

It's impossible to measure the supposed speed of light. Scientists arrived at the figure of 186,000 miles per second (or 300,000 km/sec), but how could you measure something so fast? The only way to measure the speed (which they have tried) is have two people stand very far away. One person turns on a light (like a lighthouse) at a specific time and the observing person far away records the time they see the light.

There are a multitude of problems with this. First and foremost, you can't even see a light that is 186,000 miles away! Second, the radius of the Earth is about 25,000 miles, so there's nowhere on Earth you could go to measure it. Even if you stood at opposite corners of the Earth (Rev. 7:1), the light would take about a tenth of a second to arrive. (25,000/186,000=.13). That is less time that the human body can perceive or react to.

Conclusion: It is impossible to test the speed of light that secular science claims is possible.

The Speed of Light is just a completely harebrained idea with no bases in experiments or facts, which is paraded around by the Secular Scientist agenda.

[2Kings 2 23:25]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

"Does the Sun Even Emit Light?"

Yes.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

"Does the Sun Even Emit Light?"

Yes.

I see. And what evidence do you have to back up your claim?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

It's impossible to measure the supposed speed of light. Scientists arrived at the figure of 186,000 miles per second (or 300,000 km/sec), but how could you measure something so fast? The only way to measure the speed (which they have tried) is have two people stand very far away. One person turns on a light (like a lighthouse) at a specific time and the observing person far away records the time they see the light.

There are a multitude of problems with this. First and foremost, you can't even see a light that is 186,000 miles away! Second, the radius of the Earth is about 25,000 miles, so there's nowhere on Earth you could go to measure it. Even if you stood at opposite corners of the Earth (Rev. 7:1), the light would take about a tenth of a second to arrive. (25,000/186,000=.13). That is less time that the human body can perceive or react to.

Conclusion: It is impossible to test the speed of light that secular science claims is possible.

The Speed of Light is just a completely harebrained idea with no bases in experiments or facts, which is paraded around by the Secular Scientist agenda.

Even "scientists" themselves agree with Rev. Osborne!



You don't have to read very far through their obfuscating gobbledygook to discover this statement:

"… the instrument turns out to be nearly 2000 times less sensitive that Michelson had assumed. In vacuum-mode the Michelson interferometer is totally insensitive to light speed…"

God: 490
Lucifer: -186,000

[2Kings 2 23:25]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

I see. And what evidence do you have to back up your claim?

Simply put, go outside, look up during a bright day, and stare at the sun. If in fact it is not emitting light, why shield your eyes? That isn't light, that is...???

Short answer: basically a REALLY large version of a Hydrogen bomb, exploding millions of times a second. Ever seen one (as in a single Hydrogen bomb) go off? It is something you won't ever forget.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Simply put, go outside, look up during a bright day, and stare at the sun. If in fact it is not emitting light, why shield your eyes? That isn't light, that is...???

Short answer: basically a REALLY large version of a Hydrogen bomb, exploding millions of times a second. Ever seen one (as in a single Hydrogen bomb) go off? It is something you won't ever forget.

Neither of these prove that the sun emits light at all. If I look up at the sun and it is exceptionally bright, a much simpler explanation is that there is just an increased amount/brighter quality of ambient light in the sun's direction. The same theory holds for if somebody were to watch a hydrogen bomb go off.

If the sun emits light, then it would follow that light has a speed of some sort (scientists like to say it's 186,000 miles per second). If light were actually traveling that fast, you wouldn't be able to walk outside without being riddled by tiny, light-sized holes and dying immediately. Even if light traveled slower than this, you would still obviously feel it as it hits you.

No, a much better explanation is that the sun works as God's light switch for turning up the ambient light on the Earth.

[2Kings 2 23:25]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Neither of these prove that the sun emits light at all. If I look up at the sun and it is exceptionally bright, a much simpler explanation is that there is just an increased amount/brighter quality of ambient light in the sun's direction. The same theory holds for if somebody were to watch a hydrogen bomb go off.

If the sun emits light, then it would follow that light has a speed of some sort (scientists like to say it's 186,000 miles per second). If light were actually traveling that fast, you wouldn't be able to walk outside without being riddled by tiny, light-sized holes and dying immediately. Even if light traveled slower than this, you would still obviously feel it as it hits you.

No, a much better explanation is that the sun works as God's light switch for turning up the ambient light on the Earth.

That is the estimated speed of light. The problem is that while light can be measured as a speed, it is neither a wavelength or particle. It is both.

To truly explain all that happens in the core of the Sun, one needs to realize that there is more out in the surrounding infinite emptiness than we could ever fathom. When two Hydrogen atoms collide at such an immense and staggering pressure/heat that the Sun's core creates, obviously there is energy given off. These are called Positrons and Neutrinos. The Positrons are what eventually we regard as light. Conversely, the Neutrinos are one of the most bizarre and awe-inspiring things we know of. They don't travel at quite the speed of light, but manage to pass through everything without regard to matter. Billions of them are passing right through you every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every week of every month of every year of every decade of every century of every millennium. It's not like they "rip" through you, they simply pass.

Saying that light would 'rip through you' is quite literally the same as saying that radio waves, X-rays, or audio waves can rip through you. When was the last time you felt like you were being torn apart by the sound of music? Physically, I mean.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

That is the estimated speed of light. The problem is that while light can be measured as a speed, it is neither a wavelength or particle. It is both.

Don't be ridiculous. God hates things that aren't one thing or another, why would He make light so it was that way?

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Revelation 3:16

Light can't be a particle because it doesn't hurt when it hits you and it can't be a wave because when people go outside or turn the lights on they don't immediately drown. It's just light.

To truly explain all that happens in the core of the Sun, one needs to realize that there is more out in the surrounding infinite emptiness than we could ever fathom. When two Hydrogen atoms collide at such an immense and staggering pressure/heat that the Sun's core creates, obviously there is energy given off. These are called Positrons and Neutrinos. The Positrons are what eventually we regard as light. Conversely, the Neutrinos are one of the most bizarre and awe-inspiring things we know of. They don't travel at quite the speed of light, but manage to pass through everything without regard to matter. Billions of them are passing right through you every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every week of every month of every year of every decade of every century of every millennium. It's not like they "rip" through you, they simply pass.

Ok, I'm sorry, what?

You're saying that every day, there are billions and billions of tiny little ghost particles going through me and I can't even detect them in any way? And that is a better explanation than the sun and moon being God's light switches HOW?

Ever hear of Occam's Razor, friend?

Saying that light would 'rip through you' is quite literally the same as saying that radio waves, X-rays, or audio waves can rip through you. When was the last time you felt like you were being torn apart by the sound of music? Physically, I mean.

Well, every time I've put a radio on I assumed the radio waves were going to the radio, not me. Every time I've had an X-Ray they put a lead sheet on me, presumably to stop the X-rays. And in my unsaved days I used to go to a lot of sinful rock concerts and stand in front of the amplifiers. I definitely felt the sound waves physically hitting me, but they didn't tear me apart.

Now please stop arguing about non-sense and think about what you're saying here. If light comes from the sun than the Bible is wrong, and which of these sound more absurd to you? That light isn't purely ambient, or that the Bible is wrong.

Hint: You should be thinking that the idea that light isn't purely ambient is absurd here. Its the only answer that doesn't lead to an eternity in Hell.

[2Kings 2 23:25]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Don't be ridiculous. God hates things that aren't one thing or another, why would He make light so it was that way?

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Revelation 3:16

Light can't be a particle because it doesn't hurt when it hits you and it can't be a wave because when people go outside or turn the lights on they don't immediately drown. It's just light.

Ok, I'm sorry, what?

You're saying that every day, there are billions and billions of tiny little ghost particles going through me and I can't even detect them in any way? And that is a better explanation than the sun and moon being God's light switches HOW?

Ever hear of Occam's Razor, friend?

Well, every time I've put a radio on I assumed the radio waves were going to the radio, not me. Every time I've had an X-Ray they put a lead sheet on me, presumably to stop the X-rays. And in my unsaved days I used to go to a lot of sinful rock concerts and stand in front of the amplifiers. I definitely felt the sound waves physically hitting me, but they didn't tear me apart.

Now please stop arguing about non-sense and think about what you're saying here. If light comes from the sun than the Bible is wrong, and which of these sound more absurd to you? That light isn't purely ambient, or that the Bible is wrong.

Hint: You should be thinking that the idea that light isn't purely ambient is absurd here. Its the only answer that doesn't lead to an eternity in Hell.

Wow. Where to start. Um... yeah, let's do this.

Point one - If God didn't like contradictions, why would He include them in the Bible?

Incest. Totally against anything the Bible ever preaches, yes? A horrible, and atrocious act, that is so disgusting that few can even stomach such an idea.

Genesis 19 30:38 - Lot has sex and conceives with BOTH of his daughters.

Contradiction??

Point two - DROWNING IN WAVELENGTHS??? Again, I am sorry, but you obviously have zero understanding of what is going on around you on not even semi-constant basis, but a full on assault of constant. Every thing you interact with in normal life has some sort of electromagnetic wavelength. Light, sound, cell-phones, microwave-ovens, even the lightning of the storm (possibly?) going on around you at the current moment, have an electromagnetic wavelength. You aren't being water-boarded at every waking moment, are you? These waves ALL pass through you, easily. The beauty of matter? The fact that there is enough space between electrons and protons/neutrons to allow such a thing.

Point three - pretty sure I quoted Mr Occam's Razor earlier... Simple. Not convoluted and disprovable...

Point four - I am assuming by rock concerts that you mean all the cliche nonsense that convinces people to hate their parents? Wow, we were all 16 once. Grow up. Feeling the bass of a loud concert is not the same thing as feeling audio waves. Stand a hundred feet from someone, and have them yell something at you. Perhaps your favorite quote from Psalms? Can you hear them? Yes. Can you feel it? No. Why? Because we cant feel audio waves, which travel at a slower, yet equally amazing speed. We feel the vibration of the subwoofer vibrating GIVING OFF THE AUDIO TRACK of the sounds played at a loud show, NOT THE WAVES THEMSELVES. There is a very clear difference.

Point five - obviously, the Bible is wrong. On many things. "No man has ever been converted to the Lord by losing the argument."

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

The problem is that while light can be measured as a speed..

no it can't, false scientists claim that they measure the velocity of light - and yet the very instruments they assert measures that velocity sic are unable to determine the directional component.

"Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and Gravitational Waves" – PROGRESS IN PHYSICS APRIL 2010
..(instruments) totally insensitive to light speed anisotropy

it is neither a wavelength or particle. It is both.

No it isn't

Positrons and Neutrinos.

This thread is not about positrons or neutrinos

The Positrons are what eventually we regard as light

No they're not.

When was the last time you felt like you were being torn apart by the sound of music? Physically, I mean.

This experience can be made available to you if you wish..

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Does the Sun Even Emit Light?

Wow. Where to start. Um... yeah, let's do this.

Point one - If God didn't like contradictions, why would He include them in the Bible?

Incest. Totally against anything the Bible ever preaches, yes? A horrible, and atrocious act, that is so disgusting that few can even stomach such an idea.

Genesis 19 30:38 - Lot has sex and conceives with BOTH of his daughters.

Contradiction??

That isn't a contradiction at all. Genesis 19 is quite clear that Lot's daughters are clearly at fault and nowhere states that their actions aren't sinful. By your logic, since God says worshiping false gods is sinful, there aren't any atheists in the world (Oh how I wish that were the case). Just because the Bible recorded an instance of a sin doesn't mean it condones it.

Point two - DROWNING IN WAVELENGTHS??? Again, I am sorry, but you obviously have zero understanding of what is going on around you on not even semi-constant basis, but a full on assault of constant. Every thing you interact with in normal life has some sort of electromagnetic wavelength. Light, sound, cell-phones, microwave-ovens, even the lightning of the storm (possibly?) going on around you at the current moment, have an electromagnetic wavelength. You aren't being water-boarded at every waking moment, are you? These waves ALL pass through you, easily. The beauty of matter? The fact that there is enough space between electrons and protons/neutrons to allow such a thing.

Point three - pretty sure I quoted Mr Occam's Razor earlier... Simple. Not convoluted and disprovable...

No, you didn't mention Occam's Razor (at least not in this thread), but you aren't adhering to it anyways. "God did it" is a much simpler answer than your "Waves of electric magnets flow over everything constantly while tiny ghost particles shoot through you all the time". Therefore, acknowledging that God created the Sun to help control the amount of ambient light in the world is the correct explanation.

Point four - I am assuming by rock concerts that you mean all the cliche nonsense that convinces people to hate their parents? Wow, we were all 16 once. Grow up. Feeling the bass of a loud concert is not the same thing as feeling audio waves. Stand a hundred feet from someone, and have them yell something at you. Perhaps your favorite quote from Psalms? Can you hear them? Yes. Can you feel it? No. Why? Because we cant feel audio waves, which travel at a slower, yet equally amazing speed. We feel the vibration of the subwoofer vibrating GIVING OFF THE AUDIO TRACK of the sounds played at a loud show, NOT THE WAVES THEMSELVES. There is a very clear difference.

Yes, I have been to rock concerts before I found Jesus, and then I grew up. That's why I don't indulge in that sinful behavior anymore.

I assume the reason people can't feel the sound of somebody yelling at them is because sound must be very soft and not exert a lot of force unless it is loud. Hopefully a True Christian(tm) Creation Scientist has been investigating that phenomena, I'd like to find out what the mechanics of it are.

I thought you secular types said all sounds were vibrations, and now you're saying they're waves? We've already gone over this, the only things that make waves are things people can drown in, and as far as I know its impossible to drown from listening to a speech.

Point five - obviously, the Bible is wrong. On many things. "No man has ever been converted to the Lord by losing the argument."

No, the Bible is never wrong. The Bible even tells us that it's totally perfect.

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." Psalm 12:6

"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89

"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." Proverbs 30:5

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16