Bible Time with Falso

**Pastor Billy-Reuben** · 02-14-2008, 03:46 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable

leviticus 19:19

"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee."

This means, do not let your different animal species mate, brilliant advice. Do not sow your fields with two kinds of seeds, and do not put on clothes made of different materials! So any of you wearing a cotton polyester blend at the moment TAKE IT OFF. You are seriously displeasing God!

You got that right, brother. The mule is an abomination.

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable

lev. 19:27

"Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

So do not cut your hair off your temples! And do not shave your beard. Pastor Ezekiel you are one seriously guilty of this if your appearance is still the same as in your avatar.

Hold on a minute, friend. It doesn't say not to shave your beard -- it only says not to mar the corners. This verse doesn't mandate a beard. It only forbids certain styles if you choose to wear one.

If you wear a beard, you want to look like the guy on the right, not the guy on the left.

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable

lev. 19:26

"Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood"

Enjoying a rare piece of steak? STOP.

Amen. A steak should be gray all the way through.

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable

lev. 11:10

"And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:"

Crab, Lobster, Muscles? Detestable to you!

Old Testament laws still apply unless they are specifically abrogated in the New Testament. This is one of those laws.

Jesus said this:
Mark 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mark 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Jesus said that we cannot be made unclean by the things that we eat.

Furthermore, we are told in Romans 14:2 that saved Christians may eat whatever we like.
Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable

lev. 11:6-8

"And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."
Rabbits? Unclean. Pigs? Don't touch them - American Football? Abomination to God unless the Football is not made out of pig skin.

American footballs are made of cow leather and rubber.

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable

lev. 15:19

"And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even."

We should all know this, 7 days impurity. Anyone who TOUCHES her will be unclean!

That is one of the reasons why the use of tampons is frowned upon. If a woman uses a rag like a Godly Christian woman then you can smell her uncleanliness from several feet away.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

**Talitha** · 02-14-2008, 04:06 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

I think Brother Falso is "Cherry Picking".

For instance, he has missed out the first 17 Verses of Leviticus Chapter 15 regarding "The Male Issue".

Perhaps he would like to run through those for us?

**Unfalsifiable** · 02-14-2008, 04:11 PM

Thanks for clearing all that up Pastor. But one thing I don't understand is all men have beards, I.e. to shave you must have a beard! So to shave is still to mar the corners of your beard. You shouldn't be doing it.

**Brother V** · 02-14-2008, 04:44 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post

Thanks for clearing all that up Pastor. But one thing I don't understand is all men have beards, I.e. to shave you must have a beard! So to shave is still to mar the corners of your beard. You shouldn't be doing it.

Now we are getting into the differences between Moral and Ceremonial Laws.

Moral laws are the ones like "thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not commit adultery", "thou shalt not lie with mankind"... these laws are absolute.

These are the laws that govern actions that one should take.

The other types of laws are Ceremonial.

Examples of this are "mar the corners of the beards", the Nazarite laws, and the touching of unclean things laws.

When you saw in Acts 10:13 the voice of the LORD saying "Rise, Peter; kill, eat" that did away with the unclean food laws.

Jesus sacrifice (the FINAL sacrifice) fulfilled all the laws about how to remove sin.

Jesus removed those ceremonial laws, and allowed True Christianity (tm) to be available to almost everyone.

If you look at Romans 4 most of it talks about circumcision (which would be a Ceremonial law). It talks about the faith of Abraham. Was Abraham any less of a follower of the LORD before he was circumcised?

Part of the reason why Jesus did away with the Ceremonial laws was because people became slaves to those laws. They believed that by following those laws, they could achieve heaven.

If you look up shaving in Judaism on wiki, you'll see this

Isaac Luria, a significant figure in the history of Kabbalistic mysticism, meticulously avoided touching his beard, lest he should accidentally cause hairs to drop from it

Friend, that's idolatry.

Jesus did away with the Ceremonial laws to prevent such things from happening.

Hope this helps

YIC
V

**Unfalsifiable** · 02-14-2008, 05:12 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Brother V View Post

Now we are getting into the differences between Moral and Ceremonial Laws.

Moral laws are the ones like "thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not commit adultery", "thou shalt not lie with mankind"... these laws are absolute.

These are the laws that govern actions that one should take.

The other types of laws are Ceremonial.

Examples of this are "mar the corners of the beards", the Nazarite laws, and the touching of unclean things laws.

When you saw in Acts 10:13 the voice of the LORD saying "Rise, Peter; kill, eat" that did away with the unclean food laws.

Jesus sacrifice (the FINAL sacrifice) fulfilled all the laws about how to remove sin.

Jesus removed those ceremonial laws, and allowed True Christianity ™ to be available to almost everyone.

If you look at Romans 4 most of it talks about circumcision (which would be a Ceremonial law). It talks about the faith of Abraham. Was Abraham any less of a follower of the LORD before he was circumcised?

Part of the reason why Jesus did away with the Ceremonial laws was because people became slaves to those laws. They believed that by following those laws, they could achieve heaven.

If you look up shaving in Judaism on wiki, you'll see this

Friend, that's idolatry.

Jesus did away with the Ceremonial laws to prevent such things from happening.

Hope this helps

YIC
V

So why does leviticus 18:22 not follow the same logic?

**Brother V** · 02-14-2008, 05:19 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post

So why does leviticus 18:22 not follow the same logic?

Leviticus 18:22 is a Moral Law.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with appearance (or application) of worship. It's a choice of sinful behaviour.

If you can explain to me how homosexuality is somehow ceremonial behaviour, you might be able to change my mind on that. But I don't think it's possible.

(Especially when you consider that in several instances in the New Testament, Paul cautions against faggish behaviour).

YIC
V

**Unfalsifiable** · 02-14-2008, 05:21 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Brother V View Post

Leviticus 18:22 is a Moral Law.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with appearance (or application) of worship. It's a choice of sinful behaviour.

If you can explain to me how homosexuality is somehow ceremonial behaviour, you might be able to change my mind on that. But I don't think it's possible.

(Especially when you consider that in several instances in the New Testament, Paul cautions against faggish behaviour).

YIC
V

Well shaving your beard is a choice of behaviour... eating pig is a choice of behaviour... they can all be called "choice of behaviour".

**Nobar King** · 02-14-2008, 05:25 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

I thought this was 'Bible time with Falco' where we were going to learn about the Bible, not 'argue with our pastors time' where you try to disprove verses you don't agree with.

**Brother V** · 02-14-2008, 05:27 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post

Well shaving your beard is a choice of behaviour... eating pig is a choice of behaviour... they can all be called "choice of behaviour".

Friend, are you trying to understand? Or just trying to be a pain?

Faggotry is wrong, there's no way around it; there's no place in the Bible (KJV1611) that says that having the gay sex is acceptable.

Beard trimming ONLY has to do with the Jews and their ceremonial laws.

It comes down to this.

Do you think shaving is a sin?

**Unfalsifiable** · 02-14-2008, 05:33 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

I was saying these laws are all written in the same book (lev), should they be treated the same? I find it difficult to see how judging them as ceremonial and moral works, as either can easily be seen as either, frankly.

To me it seems either faggotary is not officially outlawed along with shaving, or they are both outlawed.

**Brother V** · 02-14-2008, 05:40 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post

I was saying these laws are all written in the same book (lev), should they be treated the same? I find it difficult to see how judging them as ceremonial and moral works, as either can easily be seen as either, frankly.

To me it seems either faggotary is not officially outlawed along with shaving, or they are both outlawed.

Do you think being gay is a sin? (not FEELING gay; but the actual DOING of it)

Do you think shaving is a sin?

If you had never read either of those verses would you still have the same opinion?

**Ahimaaz Smith** · 02-14-2008, 05:51 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable

Hey everybody, lets get straight in to the Bible!

Excellent idea. But why are we discussing God's rules for a good Christian life in the Creation Science forum? Unfalse, you are aware that there are forums specifically set up to discuss clean Christian living, aren't you?

...do not let your different animal species mate... do... not sow your fields with two kinds of seeds, and do not put on clothes made of different materials!

You are right. We do not let different species mate, double sow our fields, or wear mixed fiber clothing.

We should all know this, 7 days impurity. Anyone who TOUCHES her will be unclean!

Right again. That's why Sister Mary Maria and other True Christian(TM) women only post in our forums 3 weeks out of every four (it's also one reason why we can't have a woman as President). We aren't completely heartless, though; since 2004 we've provided them with Bibles to help relieve their boredom.

**Unfalsifiable** · 02-14-2008, 05:52 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Brother V View Post

Do you think being gay is a sin? (not FEELING gay; but the actual DOING of it)

Do you think shaving is a sin?

If you had never read either of those verses would you still have the same opinion?

Why does it matter what I say? It matters what is said in the Bible. And reading it without twisting anything to say something, we are given a choice between accepting them both, or moving away from them both. We can't exactly say Jesus negated one but not the other.

**Brother V** · 02-14-2008, 05:54 PM

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Originally posted by Unfalsifiable View Post

Why does it matter what I say? It matters what is said in the Bible. And reading it without twisting anything to say something, we are given a choice between accepting them both, or moving away from them both. We can't exactly say Jesus negated one but not the other.

Answer the question. Do you think shaving is a sin?

Do you think gay sex is a sin?

Yes or no; not anything else. Just, yes or no.

Bible Time with Falso

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