[Brother V]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Here's a better metaphor for this passage: anyone can cook pancakes using a prepared mix, following the recipe on the box cover. A great cook understands the process of preparing pancakes on a much higher level. She takes flour, eggs, milk, sugar, etc. and blends them together from scratch. The result is, inevitably, better than what you'd get from Aunt Jemima. Christianity's approach to sin is like that--you can follow the recipe (i.e., the law), but once you are saved, the state of grace in which you live takes you far beyond the need for the law. A save Christian can no more sin than can an experienced cook prepare bad flapjacks.

I rather enjoy this metaphor. It equates True Christianity(tm) with cooking.

A chef has studied the recipes. A chef doesn't need to reference the recipe every time he makes pancakes. He knows the recipe. If the chef follows what he knows makes perfect pancakes EVERYTIME, then he won't ever have to try to make them differently. Every now and then a chef will go back and re-read some cookbooks; just to make sure that he's doing other things correct.

A True Christian(tm) has studied the laws. A True Christian(tm) doesn't need to reference the law every time he makes a decision; he knows the laws. If the True Christian(tm) follows what he knows is correct EVERYTIME, then he won't ever have to make a wrong decision. Every now and then a True Christian(tm) will go back and read the Bible(kjv1611); just to make sure that he's doing everything correct.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

But Smith, the passage would therefore be saying... nothing new at all.

You don’t think that discussing the spiritual state of Grace in the New Testament was novel? Just because two paths lead to the same destination does not mean that the two paths are identical.

A saved person doesn't need the law because he would never break the law.

Yes, that’s it exactly.

But the law is the same, still there, still breakable.

Sure the law can still be broken—by the unsaved. They do not live in Grace, so they need the law to govern their behavior. That is one reason we quote so much Scripture in our forum.

Whereas the passage certainly seems to say something along the lines of departing from the old law....... what you say means we don't depart from it at all.

Who said “depart?” Rephrasing a Biblical verse just leads to all sorts of linguistic confusions. We “are become dead to the law,” “we are delivered from the law.” Departure implies some conscious act on my part to avoid the law, whereas the truth is that the law became irrelevant to me by an act of the Holy Spirit. And be careful tossing around that word “we.” I am saved. You seem to be eager to be saved, too, but as far as I can tell the law still very much applies to you.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Well as I say, if you are willing to accept a whole bunch of laws that don't seem to make any sense now-er-days, what you are saying is fine (nothing but "saved people make perfect rule followers).

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Well as I say, if you are willing to accept a whole bunch of laws that don't seem to make any sense now-er-days, what you are saying is fine (nothing but "saved people make perfect rule followers).

Since you are a philosophy student, you must know that a false proposition implies any proposition. Thank you for providing a perfect illustration of this Logic 101 concept.

Once you decide that murder and perjury and theft and adultery are harmful to society, then perhaps we can get back to the point at hand. Whatever it is.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Well it is the laws in Leviticus like, off the top of my head, don't wear clothes with two different materials. I notice V wears denim dungarees with metal, surely not ok?

[Brother V]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Well it is the laws in Leviticus like, off the top of my head, don't wear clothes with two different materials. I notice V wears denim dungarees with metal, surely not ok?

Deuteronomy 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Levi dungarees are 100% cotton. The tshirt is also 100% cotton (as are the items in the church gift shop).

Wearing 100% cotton today isn't that hard.

You'll note that there is no prohibition on fasteners in Deuteronomy 22:11, just on a blend of fibers.

YIC
V

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

...if you are willing to accept a whole bunch of laws that don't seem to make any sense now-er-days.... it is the laws in Leviticus like, off the top of my head, don't wear clothes with two different materials....

In what way is the prohibition against wearing mixed-fiber clothing less relevant today than it was in Biblical times?

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

Why did it ever matter?

[Brother V]

Re: Bible Time with Falso

In what way is the prohibition against wearing mixed-fiber clothing less relevant today than it was in Biblical times?

Brother, it seems unflaso is getting the WHAT of the law; which is a good start. You might says he's a "what's man".

Someday, he may be able to get the WHY of the law; then he will be a "why's man" (wise man).

So WHY were the jews commanded to not wear clothes of divers fabrics? (Namely wool and linen)

Some people claim it's because of Cain and Abel. Abel offered sheep; Cain offered fallen fruits, believed to be flax. So they say because of that the flax and wool shouldn't be together.

But let's look deeper and think about jews.


Linen is very expensive and made from flax (imagine how much rarer it would be during a 40 year period when people were wandering around a wilderness). Wool was readily available (remember the people had thousands of sheep with them).

So if I'm wandering around in the desert and I'm going to make a new article of clothing, most likely, it's going to be of wool. If I go to sell that, it's going to be cheap.

Now imagine that I find a source of flax, and I start to make some linen. In order to stretch my linen reserves further, I sneak in about 10% wool into the blend. Most likely the average consumer isn't going to notice that they are getting a blend. But I'm still going to charge full linen price (because I'm a jew).

This is most likely why the jews are prohibited from wearing blends. It cheapens the product by introducing an inferior piece into the mixture.

(You won't find any "rabbinical" sources that say this; but they know it to be true).

YIC
V