Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

[Father Thomas Martin]

Answer: Only in James 2:24-where it is rejected.

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

So, that should defeat your arguments that once on "accepts Christ as (his) personal Lord and Savior" that he is saved, and thus can sin all he wants.

P.S. For all you who try to argue sola fide, sola scriptura...If you don't like the Catholic Church, why are you still using Latin?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

Answer: Only in James 2:24-where it is rejected.

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

So, that should defeat your arguments that once on "accepts Christ as (his) personal Lord and Savior" that he is saved, and thus can sin all he wants.

Where have we ever tried to argue against the importance of works? Where have we ever claimed that the Saved can sin all they want? We simply claim that, once one has allowed the Holy Spirit to enter into their heart, they are cleansed of the desire to sin, and so with Christ running their life, they will want to carry out the Lord's work.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Or do you claim that someone who is ruled by the Holy Spirit would want to commit sin? Being born again in Jesus is a wonderful thing - why don't you try it?

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

Where have we ever tried to argue against the importance of works? Where have we ever claimed that the Saved can sin all they want? We simply claim that, once one has allowed the Holy Spirit to enter into their heart, they are cleansed of the desire to sin, and so with Christ running their life, they will want to carry out the Lord's work.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Or do you claim that someone who is ruled by the Holy Spirit would want to commit sin? Being born again in Jesus is a wonderful thing - why don't you try it?

My second birth in Jesus came when I was baptized as a baby. You do not lose your free will when you become a Christian-yes, you remain a sinner-but that's what the Sacrament of Reconciliation is for.

Take this case:

A man is "born again" as a teenager, then goes to the theological school, becomes a minister, and serves the Church for 50 years. Then, one night, he commits adultery, shoots his wife, delibirately runs over a pedestrian, and commits suicide (Let's presume he isn't insane). He dies unrepentant.

Is he saved or damned? Does he go to heaven or hell?

[Talitha]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

Take this case:

A man is "born again" as a teenager, then goes to the theological school, becomes a minister, and serves the Church for 50 years. Then, one night, he commits adultery, shoots his wife, delibirately runs over a pedestrian, and commits suicide (Let's presume he isn't insane). He dies unrepentant.

Is he saved or damned? Does he go to heaven or hell?

Unless they got some good Joo Lawyers at the Pearly Gates then I reckon he was never a True Christian™ in the first place and he'll rot in Hell.

But then that's my compassionate opinion.

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

Unless they got some good Joo Lawyers at the Pearly Gates then I reckon he was never a True Christian™ in the first place and he'll rot in Hell.

But then that's my compassionate opinion.

What you're saying is very close to the Catholic opinion. You are saying that we can't tell whether someone really is born again until he's safely dead. We might think, for years, that someone is born again, but his actions late in life might disprove our assumption.

[Talitha]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

What you're saying is very close to the Catholic opinion. You are saying that we can't tell whether someone really is born again until he's safely dead. We might think, for years, that someone is born again, but his actions late in life might disprove our assumption.

NO!!

I'm saying there's no Joo's in Heaven!

If Pastor tells me someone has been Born again then that's good enough for me.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

What you're saying is very close to the Catholic opinion. You are saying that we can't tell whether someone really is born again until he's safely dead.
We might think, for years, that someone is born again, but his actions late in life might disprove our assumption.

So you agree that if someone sins, that proves he was never truly born again in the first place?

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

So you agree that if someone sins, that proves he was never truly born again in the first place?

No, I just say that your right to go to heaven can be lost through mortal sin-And you'll need the Sacrament of Reconciliation to handle it before you die, or else you go where you think I'd go when I die....

This is true even in the case of someone, like the minister, who himself thought he was a born-again Christian. Your argument must be that he was mistaken, as shown by his later sins. The conclusion is that between the ages of 15 and 75 he could not have had a true absolute assurance of salvation, because such an assurance is not available until one's final moments.

This is very like the Catholic teaching, which holds that we can have a moral assurance of salvation but not an absolute assurance. We can have confidence that we will go to heaven if we now are in the state of sanctifying grace and realize that God gives us enough helping graces to remain in sanctifying grace, but we can't have an absolute assurance of salvation because, knowing our weaknesses, we know that we might sin grievously in the future, forfeiting everything.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

What a stupid, if not outright deceitful question, Thomas.

It's just as stupid as saying:
"The Bible doesn't say it's forbidden to be a homosexual, it only says it's forbidden for men to sleep with men, therefore it's OK to be gay."
It's nothing but wordplay nonsense so what you're doing here is simply being willfully ignorant.

The term faith alone is just that: a TERM.
It's not written as "faith alone" in the Bible, just as "homosexual" isn't in the Bible, but the meaning of the term is there!
THIS is faith alone:

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
But by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
That we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law:
For by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:16

the Catholic opinion. You are saying that we can't tell whether someone really is born again until he's safely dead..

And so you contradict the Word of God again.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matthew 7:16-18

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Where is the term "faith alone" in the bible?

And so you contradict the Word of God again.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matthew 7:16-18

Praise! The Romanist institution is a corrupt tree indeed, and what has it brought forth to our board? An evil fruit, that's what.