[Johan Olivier]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

What is the difference between Jesus and a period? A period comes back.

Please kill yourselves.

[Catherine Moore]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

Hmmmm

I never doubted you would help as best you could Brother. Hebrews 13:16, Philippians 2:4, 1 John 3:17, Galatians 6:2 and many many others would need to be missing from your trusty KJV.

[Noah Sole]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

Sister Catherine

I am able to help if you have really tried your hardest (I acknowledge your inadequacies) but I would refer you to:

Deuteronomy 4:29
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

It does not say:
But if from thence thou shalt get someone else to seek the LORD thy God for you......

All the best

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

unbecoming to expect him to have been forced to gain the necessary skills in explaining matters simply enough for a female to understand.

It is a burden no man should be put through. Those of us who have been called to the married life are blessed indeed to have such husbands take on this role. I am forever grateful to Mr. Etheldreda for having corrected me soundly many times in the past until I could finally remember to stop annoying him with my prattling on, and trust instead in the Good LORD.

[Catherine Moore]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

Miss Moore, I have to say, this badgering of a True Christian™ gentleman is most unbecoming. It's a little embarrassing to watch. Have you opened your Holy Bible as good Brother Sole recommended from the very beginning?

My apologies, sister. I had perhaps taken Proverbs 18:15 a little too close to heart while avoiding the complement in Proverbs 14:6

I shall stop 'badgering' Brother Sole for an explanation it seems I am not able to comprehend. As he is, as I understand it, unmarried it was, you are correct, unbecoming to expect him to have been forced to gain the necessary skills in explaining matters simply enough for a female to understand.

[Noah Sole]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

Thank you for your reiteration, Brother. It's good to know I'm on the right track.

I'm confused by the point you make about it being theft or false dealing, though, once your reiteration ends. If it were simple theft then the Deuteronomy passage would not be needed - it would be punished as any other theft. God, however, has laid out a specific punishment for this particular form of theft.

Lets stick with the example of theft - its a good one. Normally the punishment is excessive fines or slavery (Exodus 22:1-3) but if a thief steals slaves though they are to be killed (Exodus 21:16).

So we have a blanket prohibition against theft but then an exception in the case of slave theft. It seems clear that this is another such exception as a specific punishment is mentioned. Just as not executing a thief who stole slaves would be against God's law, so would not fining a rapist (in this situation) 50 shekels. We can't simply avoid the punishment because we think we are doing right (Proverbs 11:21)

So, while your post was, as usual, insightful and well-reasoned I'm afraid it has left me further confused. Is your argument that if a specific punishment cannot be levied for whatever reason then a lesser one suffices? I don't see the scripture for that so I'm sure it is not. Thank you so much for indulging me and if I could just trouble you to explain that last point I would greatly appreciate it.

Mary - an excellent point.

Sister Catherine are you really trying?

The theft/false dealing is committed because the man does not pay the girl's father the 50 shekels (it's as if I used someone's car but didn't pay the rental fee) and does not marry her.

For further assistance as to the next step so that the offender does not evade justice see Leviticus 6.

YIC

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

So, while your post was, as usual, insightful and well-reasoned I'm afraid it has left me further confused.

Miss Moore, I have to say, this badgering of a True Christian™ gentleman is most unbecoming. It's a little embarrassing to watch. Have you opened your Holy Bible as good Brother Sole recommended from the very beginning?

Or...are you harping on for personal reasons? Are you no longer a credible choice for marriage? Have you slipped in sin and found natural consequences to your "lady of the evening" ensemble?

Mary - an excellent point.

Thank you, dear.

[Catherine Moore]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

Thank you for your reiteration, Brother. It's good to know I'm on the right track.

I'm confused by the point you make about it being theft or false dealing, though, once your reiteration ends. If it were simple theft then the Deuteronomy passage would not be needed - it would be punished as any other theft. God, however, has laid out a specific punishment for this particular form of theft.

Lets stick with the example of theft - its a good one. Normally the punishment is excessive fines or slavery (Exodus 22:1-3) but if a thief steals slaves though they are to be killed (Exodus 21:16).

So we have a blanket prohibition against theft but then an exception in the case of slave theft. It seems clear that this is another such exception as a specific punishment is mentioned. Just as not executing a thief who stole slaves would be against God's law, so would not fining a rapist (in this situation) 50 shekels. We can't simply avoid the punishment because we think we are doing right (Proverbs 11:21)

So, while your post was, as usual, insightful and well-reasoned I'm afraid it has left me further confused. Is your argument that if a specific punishment cannot be levied for whatever reason then a lesser one suffices? I don't see the scripture for that so I'm sure it is not. Thank you so much for indulging me and if I could just trouble you to explain that last point I would greatly appreciate it.

Mary - an excellent point.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

Well, several answers are there, Brother, but its not clear to me where that one is.

Obviously the woman will be stoned on her wedding night per Deuteronomy 22:20-21

Why would you assume such a whorish child would ever get married? Mr. Etheldreda would never consent to such a union with one of our sons. Wouldn't the girl be the rightful burden of her negligent father for the rest of his life?

[Noah Sole]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

Well, several answers are there, Brother, but its not clear to me where that one is.

Obviously the woman will be stoned on her wedding night per Deuteronomy 22:20-21 However, there is the punishment for the man to be thought of. It seems that the theft of virginity goes unpunished if the rapist simply has the common sense to deny it was him or run away. Now sure, he's punished in Hell in the afterlife (and may be killed directly by God - Romans 6:23) but that's no good to the poor father of the girl is it? Does his crime go totally unpunished?

Could you point me to where these answers are to be found, Brother? I'm certain you're not mistaken.

Sister Catherine you are so nearly there!

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."

So the rapist has not paid the fifty shekels or married her by running away, clearly he has 'stolen or dealt falsely':

Leviticus 19:11
Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

That's enough help - now find what the punishment should be.

Yours in Christ

[Catherine Moore]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

Read the Bible - the answer is there

Well, several answers are there, Brother, but its not clear to me where that one is.

Obviously the woman will be stoned on her wedding night per Deuteronomy 22:20-21 However, there is the punishment for the man to be thought of. It seems that the theft of virginity goes unpunished if the rapist simply has the common sense to deny it was him or run away. Now sure, he's punished in Hell in the afterlife (and may be killed directly by God - Romans 6:23) but that's no good to the poor father of the girl is it? Does his crime go totally unpunished?

Could you point me to where these answers are to be found, Brother? I'm certain you're not mistaken.

[Noah Sole]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

I have a question about this. I'm sure its obvious to the True Christians, but if someone could help me out it'd be greatly appreciated.

Rape is illegal (here at least). What if a woman got raped but, fearing secular punishment, the man fled the scene and the police were unable to find him. That is to say, the woman is willing and knows God's laws but the man is not and is, in fact. unknown. What would be the protocol in that situation?

Read the Bible - the answer is there

[Catherine Moore]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

I have a question about this. I'm sure its obvious to the True Christians, but if someone could help me out it'd be greatly appreciated.

Rape is illegal (here at least). What if a woman got raped but, fearing secular punishment, the man fled the scene and the police were unable to find him. That is to say, the woman is willing and knows God's laws but the man is not and is, in fact. unknown. What would be the protocol in that situation?

[Andre the queer papist]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

The bible was never intended to be the only source of truth; the Sacred Tradition is needed to interpret the Bible correct.
I do:
Credo in unam sanctam catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam.



But this site is just a follower of God anyway!!

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rapist.

I see your point, but the New Testament also confirmed a lot of Old Testament laws.
The logic to say, that if something is not stated as a sin it is allowed, is unbiblical because the bible did not say everything is allowed except the named sins. In fact some things are explicit allowed, so I could say everything is forbidden except the allowed things, what is of curse wrong.
The conclusion: The laws that are not mentioned are not revealed to be allowed or forbidden, we just do not know. But I think the New Testament can tell what is sin and what not.

You are an idiot and in all that rambling said and then unsaid what you were trying to say.

The Bible authorizes in three ways (here are just a few examples)...

Direct Command: "He that lieth with mankind as with womankind shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 18:22) From this, we learn the need to kill homosexuals.

Example: "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7) From this, we learn to attend church on the first day of the week.

Implication: "22. If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. 24. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot" (Exodus 21:22-24) From this, we learn that abortion is wrong.

Every verse in the entire Bible can be arranged to in some way authorize us to act as we know that God wants us to act.

Pastor Ed