[SayvedByTheLord]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

I have a question. when cain murdered abel and cain was marked so no "other" people could hurt him, who were those people when adam and eve had only 5 (or so) children

What are you implying by (or so) ?

It is written in scripture, therefore it is inarguable fact. Why are you here ?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

I have a question. when cain murdered abel and cain was marked so no "other" people could hurt him, who were those people when adam and eve had only 5 (or so) children

They were "other" people.

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[jacobadamson]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

I have a question. when cain murdered abel and cain was marked so no "other" people could hurt him, who were those people when adam and eve had only 5 (or so) children

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

Wow, so who is okay not to kill? I think that if we went by your philosophy a lot of innocent people would be needlessly killed, also if you really were not joking at all about killing vegetarians and people who have bad dreams I would venture to say you're commit-able.

Are you blind? Did you not see all this is IN THE HOLY BIBLE! Sheesh, they get more ignorant by the day. And if God demands them to be killed they are by definition not innocent.

[Bonnett]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

The "thou shalt not kill" LIE !!!
One of the things politically correct feminist child raping hippie democrats have tried to do is twisting the Holy Bible by pointing to Exodus 20:13 "thou shalt not kill" falsely claiming it means we are not allowed to kill people. This is utter nonsense. It just means we cannot go kill people at random. We can still kill plenty of people, just as long as we only kill people God's Holy Bible tells us to kill. And make no mistake, according to the Holy Bible 99.97% of all people should be killed!

DISCLAIMER: 1st Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-7 require all of us to obey secular law. So we have to wait with our killing until Sarah Palin implements Biblical Law, or become a soldier to do it in countries like Afghanistan.

Sex with men, women or animals?
Someone raping a cow, even if it is just by accident? Time to blow them up: Leviticus 20:15-16. Someone cheating? Time to start the chainsaw: Leviticus 20:10. Someone sleeping with their mother, mother in law, son or son in law? Time to put fuel into that flame thrower: Leviticus 20:11, Leviticus 20:14 "they shall be burnt with fire".

Ever said bad things about their parents?
If someone has ever, even if it is just once in their entire life, cursed against their father or mother, it's time to cut their throat and let them bleed to death! Leviticus 20:9 "every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death".

Cursing?
Badmouthing God? Even if it was only once, ten years ago? It's time to pull that trigger! Leviticus 24:16 "when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death".

Not a Christian?
Is someone an Atheist, vegetarian, Muslim, false Christian, Asian, Jew, Catholic or Democrat? You are not only allowed to kill them, God demands it from you! And please note it is explicitly allowed to kill women and children. So if an unborn child has not yet proven it's faith in Jesus, killing it is not just allowed, it is required! 2nd Chronicles 15:13 "should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman". A good way to do this is to kill them with a nuke a city at a time as demanded in Deuteronomy 13:15 "destroying it utterly".

Someone having a bad dream?
It's obvious that God does not allow this: Deuteronomy 13:5 "that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death".

Are you crazy? Don't most of us go to Heaven?
One of the biggest lies false Christians have been spreading is that most people will go to Heaven. This is not true! Actually it is the biggest lie ever! Almost everyone will go to Hell! Only a very small minority will be allowed in Heaven. Like everything else that matters in life, these facts can be found in the Holy Bible: Matthew 7:13-14 "few there be that find it".

Wow, so who is okay not to kill? I think that if we went by your philosophy a lot of innocent people would be needlessly killed, also if you really were not joking at all about killing vegetarians and people who have bad dreams I would venture to say you're commit-able.

[TC Patriot]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

The Marines put it in very simple but Godly terms. Kill em all and let God sort em out.

[barton]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

Well, you can either take it all, or discard it all

You are brainwashed by New Testament "freedom from the law" apologetics. Certainly, Romans 8:1-3 is pretty clear:

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Each of us is free from the law, meaning our salvation does not depend on the old covenant law. Of course, if we are truly upright Christians, we naturally follow the law without even realizing it. God's grace makes that happen automatically. So, for example, if any so-called Christian breaks the Sabbath, that is direct evidence that contradicts his relationship with Jesus... evidence that he is not "of faith" as required in Galations 3:11-12...

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Therefore, breaking the Sabbath demonstrates a lack of faith, which puts one squarely in the category of living in the old law. In such as case, the congregation has no choice but to follow God's will, under the old law, for breaking the Sabbath. This is what God commands in Exodus 31:14

"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

God is serious about this. In Numbers 15, a man is found gathering sticks on the Sabbath. God demands they stone him to death:

"And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses."

Who are you to reinterpret what God so clearly demands of us? Do you really think He didn't mean it?

Even so, we do not flout secular law and sadly find our hands tied at the moment. I pray for a shift in this country towards God! I pray for the day we can enact Godly laws and start putting sinners to death, as God commands!

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

Well, you can either take it all, or discard it all
If you believe that the old testament laws are valid, then ALL OF THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS ARE VALID
So you'd better not be eating pork, no mixing of milk and meat, etc.

In the new testament Jesus taught that these beliefs were archaic but he reinforced the principles of brotherly love and most of the commandments

All of what the Lord says is law, therefore, when he says he will make a new covenant, that is the new promise, the new laws which we MUST now follow.
Change not one jot or title and do not think you can do away with his new teachings in order to follow the more violent ways which were necessary in the past.

Then explain to me why roughly 2/3 of the New Testament quotes the Old Testament.

The ONLY Old Testament laws that are not valid anymore are those that were specifically addressed in the New Testament. Everything other than the dietary laws and the laws regarding animal sacrifices is still in effect.

"And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man." Mark 7:18

"For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:" 1 Timothy 4:4

"On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven." Acts 10:9-16

Re-read Hebrews 10 to understand why we don't need to sacrifice animals anymore. Absolutely everything else in the Old Testament still applies.

[Zachariah L]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

But then how do you reconcile the fact that the New Testament specifically states that the Old Testament law is still valid?

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:17

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21

"...and the scripture cannot be broken;" John 10:35

How can you possibly suggest the Old Testament law doesn't apply (with the exception of some dietary laws and animal sacrifices)? Wouldn't that mean that all scripture isn't profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness? Wouldn't that mean that the scripture IS broken?

Unless, of course, the Old Testament doesn't count as scripture anymore. If that's the case, I guess we can throw out the 10 commandments and the parts about loving your neighbor, can't we?

Well, you can either take it all, or discard it all
If you believe that the old testament laws are valid, then ALL OF THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS ARE VALID
So you'd better not be eating pork, no mixing of milk and meat, etc.

In the new testament Jesus taught that these beliefs were archaic but he reinforced the principles of brotherly love and most of the commandments

All of what the Lord says is law, therefore, when he says he will make a new covenant, that is the new promise, the new laws which we MUST now follow.
Change not one jot or title and do not think you can do away with his new teachings in order to follow the more violent ways which were necessary in the past.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

But then how do you reconcile the fact that the New Testament specifically states that the Old Testament law is still valid?

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:17

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21

"...and the scripture cannot be broken;" John 10:35

How can you possibly suggest the Old Testament law doesn't apply (with the exception of some dietary laws and animal sacrifices)? Wouldn't that mean that all scripture isn't profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness? Wouldn't that mean that the scripture IS broken?

Unless, of course, the Old Testament doesn't count as scripture anymore. If that's the case, I guess we can throw out the 10 commandments and the parts about loving your neighbor, can't we?

[Zachariah L]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

All of your scriptures are from the Old Testament/Old Covenant

I would ask you to reread the New Testament and particularily in respect to the New Covenant.

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."—Jeremiah 31:31-34


The old 'Eye for an eye', 'Kill homosexuals' teachings were done away with during this period.
This is why Jesus taught peace during his lifetime:

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matt. 5:38-39)

Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. (Luke 6:27-28)

Put your sword back in its place...for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matt. 26:52)

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Matt. 5:9)

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

I sincerely hope god has mercy on you for the inhuman things all of you have just said.

"God wants us to kill people!!"
??????????????????????????????????

You are no better than the fanatical muslims responsible for 9/11
This gives all Christianity a bad name
To hear the bible taken SO out of context is astonishing.
Why is there so much HATE in this forum???

What do you mean "out of context"?

Maybe you would be kind enough to quote the verses in context and enlighten us all?

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

I sincerely hope god has mercy on you for the inhuman things all of you have just said.

"God wants us to kill people!!"
??????????????????????????????????

You are no better than the fanatical muslims responsible for 9/11
This gives all Christianity a bad name
To hear the bible taken SO out of context is astonishing.
Why is there so much HATE in this forum???

"And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel." Deuteronomy 17:12

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Exodus 22:18

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13

"A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:27

"And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death." Exodus 21:15

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." Leviticus 20:9

"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." Leviticus 20:10

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." Leviticus 21:9

"Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Exodus 22:19

"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." Exodus 22:20

"That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." 2 Chronicles 15:13

Please explain to me exactly what context these verses should be taken in. Bonus points if you can manage to twist it enough so it sounds like we shouldn't kill these people.

[Zachariah L]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

I sincerely hope god has mercy on you for the inhuman things all of you have just said.

"God wants us to kill people!!"
??????????????????????????????????

You are no better than the fanatical muslims responsible for 9/11
This gives all Christianity a bad name
To hear the bible taken SO out of context is astonishing.
Why is there so much HATE in this forum???

[barton]

Re: Bible Study: Kill almost anyone you want and still go to Heav

Don't forget though that those LIEberals in government have us over a rock here because they KNOW we're ordered by God to obey secular law, so they have managed to tie our hands and keep us from carrying out GOD'S JUSTICE!

This is why I steadfastly pray for the day when the tide turns and we Christian people have our own super-majorities and can enact religious laws in this land as God intended. The day is surely coming when secular law will give way!

Of course, I must confess that my prayers are first for the Second Coming of our Lord. I yearn for the Rapture! Hallelujah!