[McMaterna]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

Yes you should. Didn't Jesus say "love your enemies?" yes, what they do is wrong, and a criminal past or a mental illness or a sexual orientation doesn't make everyone a filthy scum. I don't believe in your religion, does that make me a filthy scum too?

[A Follower]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

So you are saying we should accept and love pedophiles and other criminals? I strongly disagree! Bobby-Joe was absolutely correct when he called them filthy scum.

[McMaterna]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

Perfect example of why it's wrong right there, you're calling them filthy scum, how do you expect anyone to listen to you of you're using petty insults and words of hate against others? I hear you preach more about hate of others than love of god.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

I'm not claiming to know everything about God or Jesus. I'm just saying that as humans, as people, we should LOVE each other. We shouldn't hate someone just because some book tells us to. A person is a person, no matter what race, belief, or sexuality they are, they deserve to be treated kindly. And just because this is what you believe in, doesn't make it the one truth. I'm just saying that tearing down someone because of their sexuality, race, or non belief in Jesus or god, isn't morally right. Show them some LOVE, not hate.

How are we not showing love to the filthy unsaved scum? We are warning them their disgusting actions are sending them to Hell. We're trying to HELP these walking piles of shit ESCAPE Hell!

How is that wrong?

How?

[McMaterna]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

I'm not claiming to know everything about God or Jesus. I'm just saying that as humans, as people, we should LOVE each other. We shouldn't hate someone just because some book tells us to. A person is a person, no matter what race, belief, or sexuality they are, they deserve to be treated kindly. And just because this is what you believe in, doesn't make it the one truth. I'm just saying that tearing down someone because of their sexuality, race, or non belief in Jesus or god, isn't morally right. Show them some LOVE, not hate.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

This is honestly making me sick to my stomach…You preach about how "Jesus loves you"…You forget that GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE…it has been re-written and tampered with over time. Please explain to me.. etc.

I know everyone will be happy to explain, but first it might help if you could outline the question a little clearer. If The Bible is not written by God, how do you know anything about Him, or about Jesus? How can you say that this or that church is "incorrect" or that their treatment of heathens as outlined in The Bible is wrong?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

The king, however, was in control of the pope, and whenever he wanted to pass a new law, he would have the pope make the monks re-write and change parts of the bible. It's proven. Now, yes, my answer is short and to the point but it is proven.

Do you have any sort of link that backs up this claim? I'll wait.

[McMaterna]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

I'm not sure how to put the quotes or anything, but about your question of who tampered with the bible: I do not know the names, but before separation of church and state, the religious law was the one that mattered, so the king could not pass laws. The king, however, was in control of the pope, and whenever he wanted to pass a new law, he would have the pope make the monks re-write and change parts of the bible. It's proven. Now, yes, my answer is short and to the point but it is proven.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

This is honestly making me sick to my stomach. I read the "nooks read this first" thread and I was shocked and disgusted. You preach about how "Jesus loves you" yet you are so hateful of anyone different from you. I can not comprehend how anyone could judge and hate the way I have seen you do on this website!

Friend, we don't hate anyone here. We merely preach from the Word of God in our attempts to save people's souls.

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

The way you speak about African Americans is appalling, you really should be ashamed. Relegious groups should be about love and inclusion, not hate, fear, and exclusion.

Firstly, we do not hate negros at all. We want God to save their souls despite the curse of Ham.

Secondly, the Bible does not teach inclusion. The Word says we should be separated from the unsaved and not even allow them into our homes.

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

You forget that GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE, you may believe that he inspired the writers of it, but it's a proven face that it has been re-written and tampered with over time.

Who tampered with and rewrote the Bible? So you are saying we should throw the entire thing out?

[McMaterna]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

I'm not quite sure how to use this, but i meant to say "noobs" and my auto-correct changed it to nooks. I didn't notice until after I posted.

[McMaterna]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

This is honestly making me sick to my stomach. I read the "nooks read this first" thread and I was shocked and disgusted. You preach about how "Jesus loves you" yet you are so hateful of anyone different from you. I can not comprehend how anyone could judge and hate the way I have seen you do on this website! The way you speak about African Americans is appalling, you really should be ashamed. Relegious groups should be about love and inclusion, not hate, fear, and exclusion. You forget that GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE, you may believe that he inspired the writers of it, but it's a proven face that it has been re-written and tampered with over time. Please explain to me how you are capable of hating someone that you don't even know, because I really don't understand how you claim to be preaching this filth in the word of God.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

Amen, brother. The Bible has everything that matters.

Have you posted on the introductions forum?

[LongJohn]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

Friends, as a Bible-Believing True Christian™, my sense of right and wrong comes straight from the Word of God. The Bible is the very foundation of my moral values, Amen.

Amen, brother. The Bible has everything that matters.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

In all of this, I do not disagree with you to follow God's word.
But where do you think you get your since of morality, or conscience from, if not from what God has taught us?

Pastor Billy-Reuben was saying that we get it only from what God has taught us.

Atheists claim that morality "evolved" as part of living in a functional society. Hence their belief that female genital mutilation is OK in Muslim cultures. That's called "cultural relativism".

The Bible does tell us what is right and wrong in God's eyes, but we also have the free will to decide for ourselves, and he will not curse us for making mistakes.

Actually, since He has given us the Bible so we know what is right and wrong ("in God's eyes" is redundant, as He is the sole arbiter of right and wrong, not our flawed human judgment), He will not curse but instead will damn us to an eternity in His Lake of Fire for what you call "mistakes". Deciding on our own to disobey His Word because we think we know better than God is self-worship and rebellion, which God does not tolerate. Look what happened to Lucifer, once the most beautiful of angels!

Yes, you can know homosexuality is wrong, and not even support it. That does not mean you persecute them.

We don't; we inform them that God will cast them into Hell. However, once we re-establish Christian law in this nation, they will be executed as God commands!

Men have dominion over women some what, that does not mean they are lesser than men and it is a man's job to protect them and not rule over them harshly or detrimentally.

Can you cite Scripture to support this assertion?

Nonchsristians are the lost and unsaved, not necessarily worshipers of the devil, satanic. They are to be helped back towards God and to understand his love for them, not turned away. If they do try to lure brethren away, reason with them first, make them see the folly of their ways, and try to get them to repent of their sin. If they refuse and continue in their way, cast them away from yourself and brothers and sisters. You. Don't. Kill. Them. Not only will you be prosecuted by the law most likely, it is against his commandment and applies to everyone.

Whoa! You were doing well up until saying that executing those who try to lead Christians astray is against His commandments. He actually directs us to do exactly that. It is exactly what Moses did to the Midianites, per God's demand (Numbers 31).

It is only because of His command to follow secular law that we do not currently execute apostates.

No one is higher above the other under the eyes of God, but he has set laws down and their are those who follow them, and those who disobey.

And those who disobey spend eternity in Hell. I'd consider that "beneath" those who do obey, wouldn't you?

God teaches Love, not hate, and the only thing God hates is Sin, not the sinner.

Please cite Scripture to support this assertion.

That means don't convert to the people of that land's customs, not kill them. But yes, if God gives the land to you, then he will. That doesn't mean he condones genocide.

So when He commanded Moses to commit multiple acts of genocide, He wasn't condoning genocide?

Most of your quotes have been from the Old Testament, that being said, they applied to that period of time, and while we should interpret them today to give us a clear understanding of God's word and what he did then, we must not necessarily follow them.

Really?

So, great Bible scholar and prophet, which parts of God's Law are we free to discard, according to you?

I'd be willing to bet it's the parts you don't like.

What did Jesus say on the subject? Let's look at Matthew 5, the Sermon on the Mount:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Hmm, does that sound like Jesus is saying, "Hey, now that I'm here, you can follow only the parts of God's Law that you find convenient, and then say, "Golly, I'm sorry about that, Jesus" when you break other DIRECT COMMANDMENTS OF YOUR CREATOR"?

A consequence of this being, you will be shunned by society, most of society, you will be persecuted, and you will be deemed as fanatical, which I have to say with most of the people's replies in this forum, I don't know if you're joking or not.

Do you honestly think we put the opinions of Hellbound heathens above God's opinion?

Most likely you will find this offensive and being against what you believe you will remove me from the forum, and I accept that. If it does take place, it will then show you can not be helped and I will forsake you, and pray that God forsake you as well. Not with Joy, but with mercy, for if he doesn't, then you might be better off left without a God.

"If you ban me for denying God's Word and mocking Jesus and trying to convert you to worshiping a god I've imagined instead of the God of the Bible, it's proof you're closed-minded and can't be helped, and then I'll pray that God damns you." Wow, never heard that one before.

You are obviously here to try to collect souls for your master, Satan. We are not interested in joining you in God's Lake of Fire for eternity, thank you very much.

[handmaiden]

Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"

"Most of your quotes have been from the Old Testament, that being said, they applied to that period of time, and while we should interpret them today to give us a clear understanding of God's word and what he did then, we must not necessarily follow them."

These words are the usual sorry excuse of the false Christian.

An Almighty, Perfect, Sinless, External God gave His believers various instructions and prohibitions years ago. These things were right and good in His eyes.

A few centuries later-- a mere drop in the bucket of time to the one who created time-- He decides that the instructions that He Himself gave are wrong. He also decided that the things that He said were wrong, are now all right.


Who in their right mind would worship a God like that?



My brothers will be along shortly with scripture verses that will lay things out in God's direct language, but I just thought that you might like to prepare yourself.


Bewilderedly Yours,

Handmaiden