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Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Wow you people are mental. Using circular logic to prove that "True Christians are Perfect" . Just because you've cherry picked parts of the Bible, to assume your perfect

Tell me this.
Would you punish your children FOREVER, for one thing they have done? Would you kill your good son for no reason, so he can lift the grudge you have on your bad ones?

If you said no I wouldn't do that, then that means you are better than the "Perfe ct God" you worship. You aren't perfect. He doesn't exist. He's a mass murderer already, all the religious wars, all the murders he commits in your holy book, and he's perfectly happy for 70% of the world to burn forever. Even if God did exist, then he would be the last person I would worship. Don't you people even consider that you might be wrong.

We do not cherry pick! We accept and obey THE WHOLE OF THE KJV1611

Of course just punishment must last for whatever duration is proper! And JESUS only died temporarily, and not for the rotten apples, but for those few that were salvageable.

So we are no better (never doubted) than GOD.

Now choose wisely, does HE NOT exist or is HE a mass murderer?

70%?!?!? I love these LIEberal optimists. Next thing why not say that hell is empty because GOD forgave everyone? Go full retard on that one, you're already at 90% retard if you think that only 70% will burn forever (though as a theological option one might consider that once a lower order eternity in hell ends they have the second death to end their misery... but haven't had the time to discuss this interpretation with the good Pastors... that would make hell empty, eventualy, but not by the reasons you'd wish)

The last paragraph was already crammed so I see that I left out the religious wars.

Apart from the justice of any war where GOD is on one of the sides, there is an interesting logic point to discuss....

If it was a religious war, then a different religion was on the other side. So GOD would be the sole responsible for 0% of religious wars. There was always some satan inspired myth on the other side turning what might have been a rightful massacre into a RELIGIOUS WAR.

Furthermore, as you have considered us the most abominable of intolerants (and violent to boost), may I suggest that you find a nice-friendly moooosleeem site and share your ideas name and address? Just kidding, we don't want those rag-heads killing even you.

PRAISE THE LORD!

[RainbowSheep]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

Wow you people are mental. Using circular logic to prove that "True Christians are Perfect" . Just because you've cherry picked parts of the Bible, to assume your perfect.
Tell me this.
Would you punish your children FOREVER, for one thing they have done? Would you kill your good son for no reason, so he can lift the grudge you have on your bad ones?

If you said no I wouldn't do that, then that means you are better than the "Perfe ct God" you worship. You aren't perfect. He doesn't exist. He's a mass murderer already, all the religious wars, all the murders he commits in your holy book, and he's perfectly happy for 70% of the world to burn forever. Even if God did exist, then he would be the last person I would worship. Don't you people even consider that you might be wrong.

[Jedediah]

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How can i are be a True Christians ?

Accept Jesus as your personal LORD and Savior, and keep all of His Commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Your old sins are washed away in , and if you are preordained to stand among His elect (e.g., John 15:16, II Timothy 1:9, Romans 8:29-31), you will no longer be capable of sin (e.g., I John 3:6-9, 5:18), i.e., made Perfect.

John 17:22-23
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

If you would like to learn more about Jesus and what it means to be a True Christian(tm), please stick around and read our Godly forum posts, particularly the Teaching His Word section.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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How can i are be a True Christians ?

You must be deemed worthy by the Pastors. At this point you should focus more on losing your Unsaved Trash status. Once you clear the rigorous background checks you may be granted this privilege.

Garnering True Christian(tm) status is much more difficult. Very few are chosen. I recommend the following if you are to be considered:

Showing your convictions by consistently participating here in the correct manner, and generous ongoing tithes directly to Pastor Ezekiel doesn't hurt.

[Jan Kszysztof]

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How can i are be a True Christians ?

[Didymus Much]

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It's very bad to think that anyone other than jesus was perfect.
No human is truly perfect and believing yourself is perfect is another way of showing your not perfect.
But don't get me wrong there is others out there who do what the lord has wanted thou to do but does that really make you perfect?
I would like to know what makes a true Christian "Perfect".(Disregard this post if your offended by any way)

Have you read:

1) the Bible,
2) the entire thread, or
3) the OP, even?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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It's very bad to think that anyone other than jesus was perfect.
No human is truly perfect and believing yourself is perfect is another way of showing your not perfect.

You're mistaken, friend. What's very bad is to accuse the LORD JESUS CHRIST of being a big, fat, lying, bastard son-of-a-bitch, like you're doing.

But don't get me wrong there is others out there who do what the lord has wanted thou to do but does that really make you perfect?
I would like to know what makes a true Christian "Perfect".(Disregard this post if your offended by any way)

Here is a wonderful resource for you!

[camisheretopray]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

It's very bad to think that anyone other than jesus was perfect.
No human is truly perfect and believing yourself is perfect is another way of showing your not perfect.
But don't get me wrong there is others out there who do what the lord has wanted thou to do but does that really make you perfect?
I would like to know what makes a true Christian "Perfect".(Disregard this post if your offended by any way)

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Re: True Christians are Perfect!

The Bible clearly states that only God himself is the only being that is, have been, or will ever be perfect, and that only be repenting, can anyone be saved in the eyes of the lord.

You haven't read The Bible or this thread:

1 John 1:7 (1611 King James Bible)

But if wee walke in the light, as he is in the light, wee haue fellowship one with another, and the blood of Iesus Christ his Sonne clenseth vs from all sinne.

True Christians(tm) have been completely cleansed of sin. Sin is what makes those of you that are unsaved imperfect. Without sin, we are perfect...do you follow?

[ProudBrony]

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The Bible clearly states that only God himself is the only being that is, have been, or will ever be perfect, and that only be repenting, can anyone be saved in the eyes of the lord.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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The old testament isnt just stories you know its also prophecies, the prophecies of Christ second coming are moslty found in the old testament. And don't be saying "those stupid jews" cause christ was a jew and the 144,000in revelation are all jews according to the flesh

Jesus is not a jew. And if you think killing the one and only hope for escape from HELL is not stupid, then you ought to have your head examined. Further, in Christ there is no jew nor gentile (Galatians 3:28), so it's obvious Heaven does not allow jews any more than the Russian Mafia.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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The old testament isnt just stories you know its also prophecies, the prophecies of Christ second coming are moslty found in the old testament. And don't be saying "those stupid jews" cause christ was a jew and the 144,000in revelation are all jews according to the flesh

Jesus may have been birthed by a Jewess, but there was no mixing of genes (would God fornicate? Of course not!), a Holy zygote was implanted, and we clearly know God is white:

1 John 1:5 (1611 King James Bible)

This then is the message which we haue heard of him, and declare vnto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkenesse at all.

Ergo, Jesus is completely white as well.

[isaiah13]

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I know! Why, the entire Old Testament is full of stories about people who forgot the great things God has done for them. In the Etheldreda home, we refer to the Old Testament as The Story Of Those Stupid Jews.



By the way, you are most welcome to introduce yourself HERE so we can greet you properly and get to know you!

The old testament isnt just stories you know its also prophecies, the prophecies of Christ second coming are moslty found in the old testament. And don't be saying "those stupid jews" cause christ was a jew and the 144,000in revelation are all jews according to the flesh

[Pim Pendergast]

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The author of Hebrews? By that you mean Paul, right? Well, Paul also wrote Galatians, and here's what he had to say there:

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Galatians 6:1

Traditionally, authorship of Hebrews is attributed to Paul. Ultimately, it is all God's Word and inspired by the Holy Spirit (2 Tim 3:16).

Why do true Christians need to fear temptation if they cannot sin?

Salvation is not something to be taken for granted. On the one hand we know we cannot lose our salvation.

Jn 10:27-29
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

And Paul describes our salvation as a sure and certain thing.

Rom 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yet he also warns us that it's possible to deceive ourselves into thinking we are saved.

1 Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

If you fall, you were obviously never really standing to begin with; you only thought you were. While we are more than conquerors (Rom 8:37), we should also remember that Jesus saved us just barely enough to escape the fires of hell.

1 Pet 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

This is good reason to fear even though our salvation is certain. Just as the author of Hebrews -- Paul, if you will -- tells us what would hypothetically happen if we sinned just once (Heb 10:26-27), even though that's impossible (1 Jn 3:9), so he also tells us what would hypothetically happen if we lost our salvation, even though that is also impossible (Jn 10:27-29).

Heb 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

In other words, if you lose your salvation, and that's impossible, you would be beyond redemption. I find it interesting to contemplate hypothetical situations like these, and I'm glad God took time in certain places in His Word to tell us what would happen if something impossible happened; otherwise we'd just be left wondering.

God's word inspires me to a confident terror. I'm confident of my salvation in Christ, yet fearfully reverent of the fact that I'm saved by a whisker.

[StarrKingGrad]

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If a True Christian™ were to commit just one sin, he would have nothing to look forward to but an eternity of torment. Just as well we cannot sin (1 Jn 3:9). But I'm so glad the author of Hebrews took the time to tell us what would happen, hypothetically, if we sinned.

The author of Hebrews? By that you mean Paul, right? Well, Paul also wrote Galatians, and here's what he had to say there:

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Galatians 6:1

Why do true Christians need to fear temptation if they cannot sin? How can someone be restored to righteousness if he or she were not righteous then backslid? And, for the record, I think the people of Landover should carefully consider what it means to restore someone to the faith in the spirit of meekness.

Also, consider the message to the Church in Ephesis in Revelation:

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Revelation 2:2-5

Here we see God welcoming back to the fold a Christian church that has backslid. And they'd better listen, too, because otherwise God will deprive them of their candlestick. What more proof do you need that everyone can partake of salvation?