Questions for literalists

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

If you believe the Bible should be read literally, then do you believe that...

1. The value of pi=3 (1 Kings 7:23)?

2. Snakes and donkeys can talk (Genesis 11, Numbers 22)?

3. Goats copulating in front of striped rods will produce striped babies (Genesis 30)?

4. That the earth has four corners (Isaiah 11)?

5. Rabbits chew the cud (Leviticus 11)?

There are many more examples besides, but this will do for now!

[handmaiden]

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If you believe the Bible should be read literally, then do you believe that...

1. The value of pi=3 (1 Kings 7:23)?

2. Snakes and donkeys can talk (Genesis 11, Numbers 22)?

3. Goats copulating in front of striped rods will produce striped babies (Genesis 30)?

4. That the earth has four corners (Isaiah 11)?

5. Rabbits chew the cud (Leviticus 11)?

There are many more examples besides, but this will do for now!

1. Yes.

2. Yes--God can and did endow these animals with speech to serve His purpose.

3. Yes -- the baby goats turned out exactly as promised. The scripture makes that clear.

4. Yes-- haven't you ever looked at a map?

5. Yes-- rabbits chew their own droppings for redigestion-- this is basically the same as hewing up their food from their stomachs to be re-chewed. Same purpose, slightly different plumbing lay out.

Learnedly Yours,

Handmaiden

[Lisa H]

Re: Questions for literalists

If you believe the Bible should be read literally, then do you believe that...

1. The value of pi=3 (1 Kings 7:23)?

2. Snakes and donkeys can talk (Genesis 11, Numbers 22)?

3. Goats copulating in front of striped rods will produce striped babies (Genesis 30)?

4. That the earth has four corners (Isaiah 11)?

5. Rabbits chew the cud (Leviticus 11)?

There are many more examples besides, but this will do for now!

More of your God mocking. I went to check and validate what you said was true.

Point 1. It does not say what you have written. This is what it says;
1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Since you were wrong on the first point, and the following are not correctly referenced, I did not bother checking.

[Jo Freddie]

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More of your God mocking. I went to check and validate what you said was true.

Point 1. It does not say what you have written. This is what it says;
1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Since you were wrong on the first point, and the following are not correctly referenced, I did not bother checking.

ten cubits from the one brim to the other: d=10
a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about: c=30

The distance around a circle is called the circumference. The distance across a circle through the center is called the diameter. is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to the diameter. Thus, for any circle, if you divide the circumference by the diameter, you get a value close to Pi. This relationship is expressed in the following formula:



so the KJV CFT says = 30/10 = 3

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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Ahem.

The 'molten sea' 10 cubit diameter is across the top and includes the thickness of the wall of the vessel. The 30 cubit measurement is the inner circumference of the vessel. If it wasn't so early, I would calculate out the thickness of the vessel for you.

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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Rabbits have an extension of their bowels called a cecum. It functions like the extra stomach(s) of cows and sheep and such. That is how all those animals can eat grass and survive.

See how God's plan works? The cattle in the fields do the big job of keeping the grass looking nice, and the rabbits are like God's little string trimmers, going in and taking care of the edges and around the shrubs and such. God likes the pastures to be well kept, and His Plan with the cattle and the rabbits is how that is accomplished. It is also a lesson (a parable) for us in showing us how God wants us to tend our lawns and fields and estates in accordance with His wishes.

Drive through Freehold, Iowa sometime, and note how well kept everything looks!! God's Blessing upon Freehold is manifest even unto the tiniest blade of grass!!

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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Regarding #2,

presumably Christian Rover can make the occasional coherent utterance, and frankly, that is more of a miracle than any number of talking goats.

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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The world has 4 directions, (north, south, east, and west, for the unSaved Trash in Loma Linda) and the winds are always portrayed as a group of 4 also.

Seems kind of consistent to me . . .


I can't help but wonder why someone would chose a logon ID of Christian Rover, and then take pride in demonstrating willful ignorance here.

[Jo Freddie]

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Ahem.

The 'molten sea' 10 cubit diameter is across the top and includes the thickness of the wall of the vessel. The 30 cubit measurement is the inner circumference of the vessel. If it wasn't so early, I would calculate out the thickness of the vessel for you.

That gives C to be 31.41592653589793 cubits
31.41592653589793-30=1.41592653589793
1.41592653589793 is the total thickness of both sides to the vessel)
one side = 0.707963267948965 cubits or 32.7636905cm

But that is not what the KJV CFT says, there is no mention of a vessel, so you are adding an interpretation to the text, how do the Pastors feel about you adding things to the "book" that are not there?

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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The water, or whatever fluid is meant by 'molten sea' would have to be contained in some way or it would splash all over the floor and make a mess.

For example, in the picture below, imagine a similar structure 10 cubits across, and 30 cubits around the inside of the stone work.

This is not a difficult concept.

[Jo Freddie]

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The water, or whatever fluid is meant by 'molten sea' would have to be contained in some way or it would splash all over the floor and make a mess.

For example, in the picture below, imagine a similar structure 10 cubits across, and 30 cubits around the inside of the stone work.

This is not a difficult concept.

No it is not, but that is not what "god" said, you are still adding to the word of "god", putting you own interpretation on the words. You could just as easerly interpret it to mean the it was approximately 10 cubits across and approximately 30 cubits around, and the 5 cubits height could mean from the bottom of the sea in other words its depth, leaving the surface at ground level so no need for a vessel.

[BelieverInGod]

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No it is not, but that is not what "god" said, you are still adding to the word of "god", putting you own interpretation on the words. You could just as easerly interpret it to mean the it was approximately 10 cubits across and approximately 30 cubits around, and the 5 cubits height could mean from the bottom of the sea in other words its depth, leaving the surface at ground level so no need for a vessel.

NO ITS NOT! NO ITS NOT! NO ITS NOT!

My toddler son would be spanked for acting like you.

Of course the Bible talks about a vessel.

1 Kings 7:23-24 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.

If that isn't discussing a vessel, what is? Anyway, I've always considered this argument about Pi as silly. Any value for pi is rounded, so the Bible rounded to the whole number, big deal. If you round 3.14 to the whole number, what do you get?

[Jo Freddie]

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NO ITS NOT! NO ITS NOT! NO ITS NOT!

My toddler son would be spanked for acting like you.

Of course the Bible talks about a vessel.

1 Kings 7:23-24 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.

If that isn't discussing a vessel, what is? Anyway, I've always considered this argument about Pi as silly. Any value for pi is rounded, so the Bible rounded to the whole number, big deal. If you round 3.14 to the whole number, what do you get?

You are still placing an interpretation on the words.

Brim : an edge or border (originally specifically of the sea or a body of water)

Now if you are saying it is an approximation of what else in the KJV-CFT is mealy an approximation of the truth?

[BelieverInGod]

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You are still placing an interpretation on the words.

Brim : an edge or border (originally specifically of the sea or a body of water)

Go read the scripture, it speaks of things under the brim, so obviously the brim was above ground.

I'm sorry that they didn't write the KJV for retards. I guess God just had a higher standard for his followers.

Now if you are saying it is an approximation of what else in the KJV-CFT is mealy an approximation of the truth?[/QUOTE]
Give me the exact decimal value of pi. I'll wait.

[Jo Freddie]

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Go read the scripture, it speaks of things under the brim, so obviously the brim was above ground.

As I have already said, it can easily be interpreted to mean that, but it does not actually say that and requires interpretation to reach that conclusion, you have to read between the lines. Nowhere does it say it was a vessel.

I'm sorry that they didn't write the KJV for retards. I guess God just had a higher standard for his followers.

But you are always saying that the KJV-CFT is theTrue word of "god" and not open to interpretation, show me where it actually says it was a vessel without the need to interpret the words to draw that conclusion.

Give me the exact decimal value of pi. I'll wait.

I am not the one saying the maths is true and does not require interpretation.

So just to recap, to conclude that the molten sea was held in a vessel you need to read between the lines and interpret what the text means.