[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained!

Did Jesus baptize anyone?

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples.

So what's up? Does the Bible say in one place that Jesus baptized, but in another that he didn't?


No, because obviously in the first verse, it doesn't say Jesus baptized people. It just says he baptized. That could mean anything.

I thought this was fairly obvious, Brother.

When it is said that Solomon built the First Temple, nobody thinks that great king was out there lugging stones about. He ORDERED it to be done.

In the same way, Jesus directed His disciples to baptize. Thus, Jesus was responsible for the baptisms.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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I thought this was fairly obvious, Brother.

When it is said that Solomon built the First Temple, nobody thinks that great king was out there lugging stones about. He ORDERED it to be done.

In the same way, Jesus directed His disciples to baptize. Thus, Jesus was responsible for the baptisms.

Obviously. But that leads to something that has always puzzled me:

1) The disciples did the baptizing for Jesus. But were the disciples themselves baptized?

2) It seems logical that they were. So who had baptized them?

3) Logically they had been baptized by Jesus (as per John 3:22). It wouldn't make much sense for Jesus' disciples to have been baptized by, say, John the Baptist. But had Jesus baptized them with the Holy Spirit?

4) Of course He had. After all Jesus had come to "baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire" (Matthew 3:11). So the disciples had all received the Holy Spirit in baptism.

But in that case: What makes the Pentecost so special? (I don't know if it could be a contradiction as such, I'm not a Hell-bound Pennycostal )

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Should we love or hate our brothers?

Luke 14:26: If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

1 John 4:20-21: If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

The passage from 1 John explicitly refers to someone who hates and does not love his brother. It's possible to love and hate someone at the same time; even heathen poets like Catullus and writers of trashy sodomite fiction like John Knowles admit as such. There is thus no contradiction.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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This one is popular with the Jesus-deniers: What was the name of Jesus' grandfather on the paternal side?

Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Of course, there's no contradiction here. Jacob end Heli were brothers. Heli died without children, so Jacob entered a levirate marriage (Deuteronomy 25:5-6) with the widow. Thus Heli became the legal father, while Jacob was the biological father.

So why don't Heli and Jacob have the same father? Because they were only half-brothers. When Matthan (Joseph's grandfather according to Matthew) died, his widow married Matthat (Joseph's grandfather according to Luke), so the two genealogies simply follow Matthan's and Matthat's lineage respectively.

[Bob4God]

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Courtesy of Serenity Millennium: ARE WE JESUS' SERVANTS OR NOT?

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. - John 15:15

If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. - John 12:26

Does JESUS consider only His 12 disciples His friends? Are the rest of us merely servants?

The explanation is very simple: The word "friend" and "servant" are interchangeable as far as JESUS is concerned.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained!

This one is popular with the Jesus-deniers: What was the name of Jesus' grandfather on the paternal side?

Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Of course, there's no contradiction here. Jacob end Heli were brothers. Heli died without children, so Jacob entered a levirate marriage (Deuteronomy 25:5-6) with the widow. Thus Heli became the legal father, while Jacob was the biological father.

So why don't Heli and Jacob have the same father? Because they were only half-brothers. When Matthan (Joseph's grandfather according to Matthew) died, his widow married Matthat (Joseph's grandfather according to Luke), so the two genealogies simply follow Matthan's and Matthat's lineage respectively.

Thanks for the information Pastor, it makes a lot of sense. I'm amazed though how often men died and their brothers had to marry their wives though. Because none none of the names in the genealogies after the time of David line up, except for Shealtiel and Zerubbabel.

But Pastor, I'm still a tiny bit confused as to why there is a different number of generations in the two lists.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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Thanks for the information Pastor, it makes a lot of sense.

I can't really take credit for that. This explanation goes back to Africanus in the 2nd century who was quoted by Eusebius.

5. But in order that what I have said may be made clear I shall explain the interchange of the generations. If we reckon the generations from David through Solomon, the third from the end is found to be Matthan, who begat Jacob the father of Joseph. But if, with Luke, we reckon them from Nathan the son of David, in like manner the third from the end is Melchi, whose son Eli was the father of Joseph. For Joseph was the son of Eli, the son of Melchi.

6. Joseph therefore being the object proposed to us, it must be shown how it is that each is recorded to be his father, both Jacob, who derived his descent from Solomon, and Eli, who derived his from Nathan; first how it is that these two, Jacob and Eli, were brothers, and then how it is that their fathers, Matthan and Melchi, although of different families, are declared to be grandfathers of Joseph.

7. Matthan and Melchi having married in succession the same woman, begat children who were uterine brothers, for the law did not prohibit a widow, whether such by divorce or by the death of her husband, from marrying another.

You'll notice that Africanus and Eusebius refer to Joseph's grandfather as Melchi, whereas according to the KJV1611 Melchi was Joseph's great-great-grandfather (Luke 3:23-24), but that's not a contradiction as such - it simply shows that the King James Authorized Version 1611 is superior to the Bibles that Africanus and Eusebius had.

I'm amazed though how often men died and their brothers had to marry their wives though. Because none none of the names in the genealogies after the time of David line up, except for Shealtiel and Zerubbabel.

But Pastor, I'm still a tiny bit confused as to why there is a different number of generations in the two lists.

It isn't as if they all had Levirate marriages. After Joseph's two paternal grandfathers the two genealogies are totally independent of each other. Then they converge for a while with Salathiel and his son Zorobabel, who - as you rightly point out - appear in both genealogies. Then they split again for a while until they finally converge with David.

Many people miss the importance of this: Salathiel and Zorobabel along with the high priest Jeshua were instrumental in bringing God's people back from the captivity in Babylon to the Holy Land. We meet these three heroes in many of the books of the Bible - here is one example:

Ezra 3:8 Now in the second year of their coming unto the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month, began Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and the remnant of their brethren the priests and the Levites, and all they that were come out of the captivity unto Jerusalem; and appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to set forward the work of the house of the LORD.

You can see how this Jeshua prefigures Our Savior, who will in time lead His people into the New Jerusalem. All this goes to show that when God wrote the KJV1611 He left nothing to coincidence.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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During the Crucifixion, did both thieves mock Our Lord, or just one?

Matt. 27:41-44: Likewise also the chief priests mocking [him], with the scribes and elders, said, He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

Luke 23:39-43: And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Both of them initially mocked Him, but one repented, and Christianity places great emphasis on forgiveness for those who repent, so there is no contradiction.

[PraiseBlasphemy]

Re: So-Called Bible "Contradictions" Explained!

During the Crucifixion, did both thieves mock Our Lord, or just one?

Matt. 27:41-44: Likewise also the chief priests mocking [him], with the scribes and elders, said, He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

Luke 23:39-43: And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Both of them initially mocked Him, but one repented, and Christianity places great emphasis on forgiveness for those who repent, so there is no contradiction.

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Debating them is a waste of time because they are stupid. They are so stupid that I can’t even think of a word to describe how stupid they really are.
They do not realize that their beliefs are entirely subjective and are essentially no different, in any way, than the beliefs of Ancient Greeks, or of the Aztecs, or the Mayans. Your religions are just modern versions of older ones. In time they will be GONE just like Zeus, Thor, Poseidon, Odin. Your beliefs are no fu*king different.
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[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Dear Godmocking Whore;

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule of worshiping satan and spreading your legs for anyone with a dollar to post this hateful message. The Holy Bible tells us that we are actually Blessed by your persecution! Thanks for proving that we're right.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Enjoy hell. I know that Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell for all eternity. Oh, how we'll laugh at you as you scream in agony! Shout Glory!!

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel