[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

Go back a verse.

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. - John 15:14

JESUS still insists that we obey His rules. What do you think He would do if you say you are His friend but do not obey?

Well, I was just wondering why the first post said Jesus cannot be your friend. And here is what Jesus was commanding them, by the way:

John 15: 11-15"I've told you these things for a purpose: that my joy might be your joy, and your joy wholly mature. This is my command: Love one another the way I loved you. This is the very best way to love. Put your life on the line for your friends. You are my friends when you do the things I command you. I'm no longer calling you servants because servants don't understand what their master is thinking and planning. No, I've named you friends because I've let you in on everything I've heard from the Father.


16"You didn't choose me, remember; I chose you, and put you in the world to bear fruit, fruit that won't spoil. As fruit bearers, whatever you ask the Father in relation to me, he gives you.
17"But remember the root command: Love one another.

[Bob4God]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

I must reiterate:

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Go back a verse.

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. - John 15:14

JESUS still insists that we obey His rules. What do you think He would do if you say you are His friend but do not obey?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

I saw your signature and I have to say that you are very wrong, I hate anal, I also think that being gay is wrong, therefore your whole church born thought process is wrong. If you haven't gotten the message I'm an Atheist and I'm proud of it.

What's wrong with being gay from an atheist standpoint?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

I saw your signature and I have to say that you are very wrong, I hate anal, I also think that being gay is wrong, therefore your whole church born thought process is wrong. If you haven't gotten the message I'm an Atheist and I'm proud of it.

Why does it always come down to anal sex with these Atheists?

YIC

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

If you haven't gotten the message I'm an Atheist and I'm proud of it.

Proverb:11:2: When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
Proverb:13:10: Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

I will pray for you.

[Foolish Atheist]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

I saw your signature and I have to say that you are very wrong, I hate anal, I also think that being gay is wrong, therefore your whole church born thought process is wrong. If you haven't gotten the message I'm an Atheist and I'm proud of it.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

John 15:13 is not incoherent with the rest of the Bible's message that we are the sheep-like servants of our LORD AND MASTER.

For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, - Psalms 95:7

Many people consider their pets to be their friends. This does not mean that we are equal to our master, or that get to have any say in how He governs us and treats us, being the dumb animals that we are.

It only means He cares very much for His pets and temporarily died so that He wouldn't have to set His little friends on fire to punish them for all the times they did naughty things He told them not to do.

I must reiterate:

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

[Bob4God]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

John 15:13 is not incoherent with the rest of the Bible's message that we are the sheep-like servants of our LORD AND MASTER.

For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, - Psalms 95:7

Many people consider their pets to be their friends. This does not mean that we are equal to our master, or that get to have any say in how He governs us and treats us, being the dumb animals that we are.

Yes, JESUS cares very much for His pets and went so far as to temporarily die so that He wouldn't have to set His little friends on fire to punish them for all the times they did naughty things He told them not to do, but don't let it go to your head.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

Irrelevant, my friend. You are saying Jesus was the Disciples' friend, but nobody else's?

And they aren't really dead you know. The are alive in heaven, so they are still Jesus' friends.

John 15:1-6 - Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. The good branches are not cut off at death. They are alive in heaven.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

So Jesus is a friend to SOME people, is what you are saying?

All the disciples are dead, dear.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

Don't be obtuse. Yes, Jesus laid down His life for anyone who believed in Him but that doesn't mean He counted everyone as His friend. Jesus was speaking directly to His disciples who were stood there listening to Him. Go and read the entire chapter in context instead of quote mining bits from a fluffy bunny agenda. You will note Jesus suddenly starts speaking about THEM; in other words people who aren't present.

So Jesus is a friend to SOME people, is what you are saying?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

So the 11 disciples (Judas had left by this point) are the only people who Jesus laid down His life for?

Don't be obtuse. Yes, Jesus laid down His life for anyone who believed in Him but that doesn't mean He counted everyone as His friend. Jesus was speaking directly to His disciples who were stood there listening to Him. Go and read the entire chapter in context instead of quote mining bits from a fluffy bunny agenda. You will note Jesus suddenly starts speaking about THEM; in other words people who aren't present.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

So the 11 disciples (Judas had left by this point) are the only people who Jesus laid down His life for?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

Wait, what about this verse?

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Who is Jesus talking to? Bet you a dollar it's His disciples. Oh look! So He is.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: Jesus is your Master, not your friend

Wait, what about this verse?

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.