[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How White is Jesus?

It is obvious that you are new to the net, and new to boards.

That must be why I have over 13,000 posts here.

Here is you responding to a comment in a thread asking if God is color blind. And this is you. So why have you went off topic?

I did no such thing, God is always on topic.

I'm lazy you say? How about I say that you are the one that is lazy?

Your debating skillz are off the scale! Your mother must be so proud.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: How White is Jesus?

Well,it didn't take much prodding to get you to go down this road. I though it would be hard but it was fairly easy. Yes,I could have been direct but I wasn't. So, multiple species from one kind? That sounds like evolution to me.

Only because you so desperately want it to.

It sounds to me like God chose to create a range of similar animals starting with a particular base type. Do you think that the Mercedes E550 "evolved" from the E350? Of course not. The manufacturer created the E350, then thought of changes to make, and made the E550 to serve different needs. Likewise, God may have started with one type of feline, then created others on that base model to live in different places or meet different needs.

But if you're desperate to see "evolution" in that, I suppose you will.

I'm not going to really cover how much it rain because you and others would just use conjecture to explain it away. Most of you will use the "catch all" phrase,"God can do anything", to explain the rain,and the evaporation of the water.

Come to think of it, how is it that, that water evaporated, and the oceans didn't?....Hmmmmm

I thought you weren't going to do that.

Asking a question is not a proof. You were going to prove mathematically that the Flood didn't happen. Get to it.

Forget the number of animals, you not knowing this proves my point about the whole story. So lets not dwell on them, but the data for the Ark is in there, which is what I asked for from you. How many times do I have to ask and explain why I want you,personally to give them to me?

You have a point? No, you don't have a point.

Dimensions of the Ark are in Genesis 6. Why do you have such difficulty finding them?

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

What's wrong with you that you can't read this for yourself?

Like I said, you people make it too easy. What about the animals that were not indigenous to that region? For example, the tree sloth. Are you aware how slow the move? If you did the math,you would see the impossible take of traveling even 1 mile at a pace of 13ft/min.

Noah spent 100 years building the Ark.

You'd know this if you paid attention while reading Genesis 5-8.

As for how the animals moved about? If God created the entire universe in six days, what makes you think He can't shuffle a few critters around?

You really don't get the concept of an all-powerful, all-knowing God at all, do you?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: How White is Jesus?

Like I said, you people make it too easy. What about the animals that were not indigenous to that region? For example, the tree sloth. Are you aware how slow the move? If you did the math,you would see the impossible take of traveling even 1 mile at a pace of 13ft/min.

Here is some fun facts that you should consider when preaching this piece of fiction. Please,no magic sloths, the magic bears were too much.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...AUeK9Pi4hyFTCw

I know! The more you think about it the more miraculous it becomes.

He is so powerful! So majestic! Fear Him.

[Seventy]

Re: How White is Jesus?

We know all the data we need for the ark, friend. This is why God gave them to us.

Animals in by twos, clean animals by sevens. No regard given for plants whatsoever. Yet here we all are with all animals back in their right continental locations (except rats which seem to have got everywhere) and all the plants survived their dunking.

Praise God He made it all happen just so, despite all the little niggles atheists dream up. He is mighty and glorious!

Like I said, you people make it too easy. What about the animals that were not indigenous to that region? For example, the tree sloth. Are you aware how slow the move? If you did the math,you would see the impossible take of traveling even 1 mile at a pace of 13ft/min.

Here is some fun facts that you should consider when preaching this piece of fiction. Please,no magic sloths, the magic bears were too much.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CEIQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanimals.nationalgeographic.com%2Fanimals%2Fmammals%2Fthree-toed-sloth%2F&ei=tQpnULaAHuXOigKbnIHYAw&usg=AFQjCNHY231jtSY39boF4M0FFBI1ppzyug&sig2=z4rgvyAwAUeK9Pi4hyFTCw

All sloths are built for life in the treetops. They spend nearly all of their time aloft, hanging from branches with a powerful grip aided by their long claws. (Dead sloths have been known to retain their grip and remain suspended from a branch.) Sloths even sleep in trees, and they sleep a lot—some 15 to 20 hours every day.

[Seventy]

Re: Following the advice of the Rev.

Zechariah Smyth;Jesus said:

Matthew 7:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
This applies to you also.

Your brother cranky didn't do this. Unless you are saying he is above scriptures and what the say.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: How White is Jesus?

We know all the data we need for the ark, friend. This is why God gave them to us.

Animals in by twos, clean animals by sevens. No regard given for plants whatsoever. Yet here we all are with all animals back in their right continental locations (except rats which seem to have got everywhere) and all the plants survived their dunking.

Praise God He made it all happen just so, despite all the little niggles atheists dream up. He is mighty and glorious!

[Seventy]

Re: How White is Jesus?

Seriously, have you ever had a positive or negative diagnosis for ass burgers, Seventy?

Now it this christian behavior? Don't get mad at me for you people sticking your foot in your mouths when you make the effort to point the finger at me for something. I know you are sticking up for him, but he should have gave some thought in pointing the finger at me for going off topic.

Matthew 7:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

This applies to you also.

[Seventy]

Re: How White is Jesus?

"Kind" is not "Species".

A species is a subtype within a genus. For example, domestic cats, bobcats, and mountain lions are all felines.

Well,it didn't take much prodding to get you to go down this road. I though it would be hard but it was fairly easy. Yes,I could have been direct but I wasn't. So, multiple species from one kind? That sounds like evolution to me. But lets not go down that road because I'm not a biologist, and clearly your're not. You need that kind of in depth knowledge to properly explain and discuss this.

That's my point. The first says how long it rained. The second says how long the water sat on the earth before it started to recede. They are describing different things.

I'm not going to really cover how much it rain because you and others would just use conjecture to explain it away. Most of you will use the "catch all" phrase,"God can do anything", to explain the rain,and the evaporation of the water.

Come to think of it, how is it that, that water evaporated, and the oceans didn't?....Hmmmmm

No, but you do need to try a different tack if you want me to supply data that aren't recorded in the Bible (the exact number of animals on the Ark).

Forget the number of animals, you not knowing this proves my point about the whole story. So lets not dwell on them, but the data for the Ark is in there, which is what I asked for from you. How many times do I have to ask and explain why I want you,personally to give them to me?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: How White is Jesus?

Seriously, have you ever had a positive or negative diagnosis for ass burgers, Seventy?

[Seventy]

Re: How White is Jesus?

Let me see if I get this right. You complain people aren't paying attention to your questions, yet at the same time you ask about Ark dimensions in a thread titled "How White is Jesus?"

It is obvious that you are new to the net, and new to boards. Because if you weren't, you wouldn't make such statement. Threads rarely stay on topic, if you wasn't new to this medium, you would know that. Here is an example of you going off topic. Here is you responding to a comment in a thread asking if God is color blind.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indifferent
God does not teach us to hate other people, and to spite them for what they are.

And this is you.

posted by Cranky Old Man
Be honest, you never read a Bible, you never even touched one! Stop believing only the fluffy bunny parts of the Bible and start reading the entire Bible!

So why have you went off topic? You could have easily told this person to stay on topic, but instead to chose to go off topic yourself.

You people make it too easy.

Since I am a nice guy and you are clearly very lazy, I looked it up for you:

Genesis 6:15 "And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits."

I'm lazy you say? How about I say that you are the one that is lazy? Because if you weren't lazy you would have read through the posts and found my reason for asking him to supply it. Now I realize this thread is 50 pages long,(sarcasm)and I agree that it is too much to read through all of them. But you can go back one page.

So stop being lazy, read one page back, and see the genesis (no pun intended) of this conversation.

Happy now?

No, because you went off topic.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: How White is Jesus?

Why must I always educate you? Maybe you should learn the meaning of synonymy. There are plenty words you use when recall scripture that was not used in the bible,so lets not go down that road,you would lose. Unless you speak like this: "A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it."

"Kind" is not "Species".

A species is a subtype within a genus. For example, domestic cats, bobcats, and mountain lions are all felines.

Not so fast, these don't read the same.

That's my point. The first says how long it rained. The second says how long the water sat on the earth before it started to recede. They are describing different things.

I ask again,which value do you want me to use? And don't dodge it by pointing out an insignificant use of a synonym.

Clean animals were by 7s, and unclean by 2s. Can't you read?

I specifically asked for the Ark dimensions,did I not?

Look 'em up in your Bible.

You keep using this same old line while showing that it applies to you more than it does me. So lets be clear what I want. I want the Ark measurements LxWxH,I also want what value you are going to use for the animals. I can't ask it any simpler.

Look it up in the Bible.

I have no idea how "kinds" was defined, so I have no idea how many animals were fit onto the Ark.

Now do I need to explain volume to you to show why I need this data?

No, but you do need to try a different tack if you want me to supply data that aren't recorded in the Bible (the exact number of animals on the Ark).

[Deaner]

Re: How White is Jesus?

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[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How White is Jesus?

I can't ask it any simpler ... Now do I need to explain volume to you to show why I need this data?

Let me see if I get this right. You complain people aren't paying attention to your questions, yet at the same time you ask about Ark dimensions in a thread titled "How White is Jesus?"

Since I am a nice guy and you are clearly very lazy, I looked it up for you:

Genesis 6:15 "And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits."

Happy now?

[Seventy]

Re: How White is Jesus?

There is no reference in the Bible to "species", only "kinds". Maybe you should learn the difference.

Species
Definition

noun, singular or plural: species

(taxonomy)

(1) The lowest taxonomic rank, and the most basic unit or category of biological classification.

(2) An individual belonging to a group of organisms (or the entire group itself) having common characteristics and (usually) are capable of mating with one another to produce fertile offspring. Failing that (for example the Liger) It has to be ecologically and recognisably the same.

kind2    [kahynd] Show IPA
noun
1.
a class or group of individual objects, people, animals, etc., of the same nature or character, or classified together because they have traits in common; category: Our dog is the same kind as theirs.
2.
nature or character as determining likeness or difference between things: These differ in degree rather than in kind.
3.
a person or thing as being of a particular character or class: He is a strange kind of hero.
4.
a more or less adequate or inadequate example of something; sort: The vines formed a kind of roof.
5.
Archaic .
a.
the nature, or natural disposition or character.
b.
manner; form.

Why must I always educate you? Maybe you should learn the meaning of synonymy. There are plenty words you use when recall scripture that was not used in the bible,so lets not go down that road,you would lose. Unless you speak like this: "A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it."

Genesis 7:17 and Genesis 7:24 are the same story.

It RAINED for 40 days. The waters PREVAILED ON THE EARTH 150 days. It did not RAIN for 150 days.

Not so fast, these don't read the same.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

I ask again,which value do you want me to use? And don't dodge it by pointing out an insignificant use of a synonym.

Follow into Genesis 8 and you will see that the waters only began to recede after 40+150 days, and they were in the ark a full year in total.

I specifically asked for the Ark dimensions,did I not?

Reading comprehension. Work on it.

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You keep using this same old line while showing that it applies to you more than it does me. So lets be clear what I want. I want the Ark measurements LxWxH,I also want what value you are going to use for the animals. I can't ask it any simpler.

Now do I need to explain volume to you to show why I need this data?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: How White is Jesus?

Atheists,at least the ones I know don't defend God, or any religion. But this is what he seems to be doing. Have you seen me defend God? No,you haven't.

As we've pointed out repeatedly, he is defending what is factual about the Bible instead of your raging ignorance.

Yes,the Catholic Church is one. I'm surprised that you have this view looking at all of what they have done in the name of God. Can you edify me on this matter? What is the difference between the Pope, and a pastor/preacher? They both seems to be speaking for God.

The Pope claims to be God's infallible representative on Earth. A pastor tells people what the Bible says, and does not make things up and put them in God's mouth.

Ok, now I see. You are taking up his fight. I really don't have to go that deep,but what I do need is the numbers you want me to use for the dimensions of the Ark,the number of species there are/were, and which flood story are we going to use. (Genesis Chapter 7 verse 17) or (Genesis Chapter 7 verse 24)


The reason I want you to supply them so the claim I used bad data in my calculations. And one last question,are we going to be addressing ships ballast systems and operations?

There is no reference in the Bible to "species", only "kinds". Maybe you should learn the difference.

Genesis 7:17 and Genesis 7:24 are the same story.

It RAINED for 40 days. The waters PREVAILED ON THE EARTH 150 days. It did not RAIN for 150 days.

Follow into Genesis 8 and you will see that the waters only began to recede after 40+150 days, and they were in the ark a full year in total.

Reading comprehension. Work on it.