[WickedWitch]

Re: Bible and canabis

yes I did. And now I'm going for my second college diploma. I speek Dutch but I understand, speak an wright English. With a lot of mistakes, but you all get what I mean.

Do you speak or even understand Dutch? Dutch is gibberish. or French? Yes, I speak French fluently. or Spanish. I can usually understand Spanish, because it's similar to French, but it helps if I can see it written while hearing it spoken. Same goes for Italian. All the other languages that I speak ...

And now that I am talking about your language: just a question. Why is I with a capital? I never got that.

Check out GrammarBook.com. There, all your English questions shall be answered.

No Alie, that is NOT an invitation to come up with your French (Frensh?) again.

Dammit! How did you know I was going to do that? Fiddlesticks and pinfeathers! *Mutters*.... *Mutters in French*

[Glendora Christianson]

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I find this entire thread very disturbing. If we had a rating system, I would give it an XXX! This whole subject of Jesus smoking the Devil's Weed is a result of the liberalization of the image of Jesus. We have Negro Jesus, Latin Jesus, Oriental Jesus, and Arab Jesus, so of course we have Marijuana Messiah! The only real Jesus is Caucasian and has blond hair and blue eyes (and he wouldn't go near drugs!) DISGUSTED MOTHER GLENDORA

[Wide-Open]

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*Mutters in French*

Moutonner? Moutonnier?

"Ma fille, pourquoi est-ce que vous moutonnniez?"

Jesus ( and the blood of the Lamb) always wins, no matter what language we speak.

[Koty.Thompson (Quarantined)]

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And guess what? Only one of them is right. THIS ONE.

How do you know that your religion is right? What if your (human) perception of God is 100% wrong? What if you did not read the Bible like God himself wrote it? What if, after all the years since it was written, it has been changed by someone who didn't like a certain type of person (homosexuals, for example)? There is no possible way to prove that your religion is right or even in existence.

But that is what religion is about. It is about believing in the unknown and that there is something after this lifetime. Whether it be Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, 72 virgins, or whatever. I personally believe that there is a Heaven and a Hell, but whose to say that I am right about that. I just have to believe that God does in fact exist and that there is a place in the afterlife.

It seems that I've gone on a miniature rant here, but the real reason that I posted here is to see someone prove that their religion is the "right religion." I think that my religion is right, and there's probably nothing you can do to change my way of thinking, but I have no way of proving that it is right. I could use some Bible verses for proof, but whose to say that it is right or if it is something made up like Joseph Smith's "Book of Mormon"?

--Koty

[Nobar King]

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Oh, ye of little faith, what is it that you seek? Proof of God and his miracles? Proof is not needed to be saved, only faith. What else is there to be faithful to? Runescape?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Katy, you need to take a look at THIS section, which explains our church Doctrines. Here's a sample:

If you are a Muslim, Catholic, Pagan, or other non-Christian, and you are here for some interfaith dialog, then this section is for you.

Welcome, friend. If you are here in a spirit of peace and wish to learn more about our religion, and want to teach us more about your religion, then you are welcome here. If you are here because you think we are intolerant of your religion, then please go back and read the previous section.

Keep in mind, however, that most of us are well educated. If your religion has been around for a while and has a large enough following, then it is likely that we have already studied your religion in depth.

Also keep in mind, that our religion tells us that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ, and that if you aren't a Christian, then you will be damned to the fiery pits of Hell for all eternity. We aren't gloating about this. We treat this fact with all of the solemnity that it deserves. We will not give up on you until we have saved you from this fate.

You also need to stop derailing threads with your childish rants. I made a thread for you in the "introductions" section, so kindly stick to that one.

I am relieved that you haven't sunk so low as to try and defend the use of narcotics like marijuana though. I had heard that all of the Democrats up there in Alaska use dope on a daily basis.

[Koty.Thompson (Quarantined)]

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Actually I think that marijuana is not that bad. If God created it along with other plants, then why shouldn't we use it? In this instance, I am talking about the medical benefits of THC within the plant. It is like using the morphine in the hospital--without it, many simple procedures (lumbar puncture, intubating, etc.) would painful during and after. I think that marijuana has many medical uses that can be taken advantage of including the reduction of nausea and vomiting in cancer patients and the stimulation of appetite in undernourished patients.

I also think that it is okay to be used recreationally. It is no worse than alcohol which is okay to use. In fact, in many instances, alcohol is proven to be more dangerous than marijuana. One example is that it is safer to drive while under the influence of marijuana rather than alcohol. While intoxicated with marijuana, the driver is more aware of his or her surroundings, thus he or she tends to drive slower. Being under the influence of alcohol, on the other hand, makes the driver less aware of the surroundings, therefore making him or her drive faster. There are more reasons that marijuana is safer, but I don't want to bore you all with facts.

--Koty

[Jimmy C Lombardo]

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Actually I think that marijuana is not that bad. If God created it along with other plants, then why shouldn't we use it?

--Koty

Gods testin us to not give into sinful temptations. You cant be thinkin about Jesus when your too busy thinkin about not actin stoned in front of yer parents.

[John Bois Ward]

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Actually I think that marijuana is not that bad. If God created it along with other plants, then why shouldn't we use it?

The poppy plant was also created by God. Do you support the smoking of opium? The mainlining of heroin? Are you a druggie?

In this instance, I am talking about the medical benefits of THC within the plant. It is like using the morphine in the hospital--without it, many simple procedures (lumbar puncture, intubating, etc.) would painful during and after. I think that marijuana has many medical uses that can be taken advantage of including the reduction of nausea and vomiting in cancer patients and the stimulation of appetite in undernourished patients.

Can you provide evidence, other than anecdotal evidence, to support your statement that marijuana has medicinal benefits?

I also think that it is okay to be used recreationally. It is no worse than alcohol which is okay to use. In fact, in many instances, alcohol is proven to be more dangerous than marijuana. One example is that it is safer to drive while under the influence of marijuana rather than alcohol. While intoxicated with marijuana, the driver is more aware of his or her surroundings, thus he or she tends to drive slower. Being under the influence of alcohol, on the other hand, makes the driver less aware of the surroundings, therefore making him or her drive faster.

Please provide evidence that it is safe to drive under the influence of marijuana. According to www.norml.org (which I’m sure you are a member),

cannabis intoxication has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills

and

impairment is typically manifested by subjects decreasing their driving speed and requiring greater time to respond to emergency situations.

There are more reasons that marijuana is safer, but I don't want to bore you all with facts.--Koty

What facts? So far, all you have provided are personal justifications for breaking the law.

[Brother_Percy]

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Sometimes God forces people to eat other people, often their own children or other family members.

"I also will do this unto you... You shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it." -- Leviticus 26:16

"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." -- Leviticus 26:29

"And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." -- Deuteronomy 28:53

"And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them." -- Deuteronomy 28:57

"Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm." -- Isaiah 9:19-20

"And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine." -- Isaiah 49:26

"And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend." -- Jeremiah 19:9

"Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers." -- Ezekiel 5:10

"I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another." -- Zechariah 11:9

Sometimes the Bible just reports cases of cannibals.

"This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him." 2 Kings 6:28-29

"The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat." -- Lamentations 4:10

"Who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron." -- Micah 3:2-3

"Heap on wood, kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned. Then set it empty upon the coals thereof, that the brass of it may be hot, and may burn, and that the filthiness of it may be molten in it, that the scum of it may be consumed. She hath wearied herself with lies, and her great scum went not forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire. -- Ezekiel 24:10-12

However, I see nothing in my findings to suggest God condemns cannibals in the Bible. In fact in several cases he advocates cannibalism, often as a punishment for various misdeeds. Who are we to question the Will of God?

[Koty.Thompson (Quarantined)]

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WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use. World Health Organization.



"While cannabis impairs performance in laboratory and simulated driving settings, it is difficult to relate the magnitude of these impairments to an increased risk of being involved in motor vehicle accidents. Students of the effects of cannabis on on-road driving performance have found at most modest impairments (e.g. Sutton, 1983). Cannabis intoxicated persons drive more slowly perhaps because they are more aware of their level of psychomotor impairment than alcohol intoxicated drinkers who generally drive at faster speeds (Smiley, 1986)."


"A suspicion that chronic heavy cannabis use may cause gross structural brain damage was provoked by a single poorly controlled study using an outmoded method of investigation which reported that cannabis users had enlarged cerebral ventricles (Campbell et al, 1971). This finding was widely and uncritically publicised. Since then a number of better controlled studies using more sophisticated methods of investigation have consistently failed to demonstrate evidence of structural change in the brains of heavy, long term cannabis users (e.g. Co et al, 1977; Kuehnle et al, 1977). These negative results are consistent with the evidence that any cognitive effects of chronic cannabis use are subtle, and hence unlikely to be manifest as gross structural changes in the brain."


"Alcohol
The major risks of acute cannabis use show some parallels with the acute risks of alcohol intoxication. First, both drugs produce psychomotor and cognitive impairment, especially of memory and planning. The impairment produced by alcohol increases risks of various kinds of accident. It may also increase the likelihood of engaging in risky behaviour such as dangerous driving, and unsafe sexual practices. While cannabis intoxication increases the risks of casualties in hazardous situations, it remains to be determined to what extent it increases the likelihood of engaging in risky behaviour.
Alcohol and cannabis intoxication appear to differ in their relation to intentional rather than accidental casualties. Alcohol intoxication is strongly associated with aggressive and violent behaviour. The relationship is complex, and the nature and extent of drinking's causal effect remains controversial at the level of the individual drinker (Pernanen, 1991; Martin, 1993; Pohorecky, Brick and Milgram, 1993). But there is good causal evidence that changes in the level of alcohol consumption affect the incidence of violent crime, at least in some populations (Room, 1983; Lenke, 1990; Cook and Moore, 1993). There is also increasing evidence to indicate that alcohol may play a role in suicide (Edwards et al., forthcoming). There is little to suggest that causal relationship of cannabis use to aggression or violence, at least in present-day developed societies.
Second, there is good evidence that substantial doses of alcohol taken during pregnancy can produce a foetal alcohol syndrome. There is suggestive but far from conclusive evidence that cannabis can also adversely affect the development of the foetus when used during pregnancy. A clear equivalent for cannabis of the foetal alcohol syndrome has not been established.
Third, there is a major health risk of acute alcohol use that is not shared with cannabis. In large doses alcohol can cause death by asphyxiation, alcohol poisoning, cardiomyopathy and cardiac infarct. There are no recorded cases of overdose fatalities attributed to cannabis, and the estimated lethal dose for humans extrapolated from animal studies is so high that it cannot be achieved by recreational users."


These are just a few excerpts that I've found from the World Health Organization that I've used as sources before.


I do think that we should reap the medical benefits of opiates as well. In fact, I mentioned the use of morphine in my previous post. Morphine is a very addictive opiate that was abused for years before it was used as a medicinal aid.


Also, I am not a druggie. I just like to take the occasional toke. It is just like others that smoke cigarettes, except I don't chronically smoke marijuana, unlike the many who chronically smoke tobacco.


Finally, Brother_Percy, this is about cannabis (marijuana) use, not cannibalism (eating people).


--Koty

[Meek and Humble]

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How cute, the drug-addict can copy and paste!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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This thread is about the Holy Bible and the illegal and dangerous narcotic marijuana. Unless you have something to say about the given topic, don't waste God's bandwidth with your spam. In the future your post will be deleted if it strays off topic or does nothing but advocate taking dope.

This is a Christian forum. We follow the Word of God, not some government agency.

[John Bois Ward]

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Katy, I want to first thank you for providing additional evidence for the dangers of driving under the influence of marijuana. And second, since you posted it with the belief that it proved the opposite, I want to thank you for providing additional evidence that pot smoking makes one stupid.

As you can see from the first part:

WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use. World Health Organization.



"While cannabis impairs performance in laboratory and simulated driving settings, it is difficult to relate the magnitude of these impairments to an increased risk of being involved in motor vehicle accidents. Students of the effects of cannabis {potheads} on on-road driving performance have found at most modest impairments (e.g. Sutton, 1983).

It clearly states that cannabis impairs performance. In this case, it impairs psychomotor ability. Any impairment to psychomotor abilities will have a detrimental effect on actions that require hand-eye coordination and quick reaction time – something like driving a vehicle.

And now for the second part on cannabis and driving:

Cannabis intoxicated persons drive more slowly perhaps because they are more aware of their level of psychomotor impairment than alcohol intoxicated drinkers who generally drive at faster speeds (Smiley, 1986)."

The word “perhaps” is key here because it indicates that this is nothing but conjecture. It fails to provide any evidence or research to support the conclusion that cannabis intoxicated persons drive slowly because they are more aware. They could be driving slowly because of the detrimental effect of marijuana on their psychomotor abilities.

And finally, marijuana use and possession is illegal in this country. It states in Romans that you are subject to the laws of the land and if you resist those laws, you also resist God. It no longer matters if you can prove that marijuana is safe, the onus on you is to prove that God will overlook the transgression of federal law contrary to what The Bible states.

Romans 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

[Stewie the Jewie]

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I love pot. It is the best thing ever created anywhere ever. Of all the weeds in the world, it has to be the best one. Does anyone here use marijuana? What about you, Brother_Percy, or you John Bois Ward?