[landoverlover]

Re: Bless Judas!

You have won the day, sir. I had not considered that, had my proposition any merit, it would constitute the first and only contradiction in the Bible. The odds of that happening are....well, there are no odds. It's flat impossible. Thank you, Brother, for removing the stinking, fetid cheesecloth from my eyes.

[Higgins]

Re: Bless Judas!

What about God condemning killing?

Exodus 20:13 Thou Shalt not Kill.

Consequently Judas killed himself.

Matthew 27: 3-5
3Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.



Judas choose to violate God's commandments, therefore he is damned to hell.

[landoverlover]

Re: Bless Judas!

What about God condemning killing?

Exodus 20:13 Thou Shalt not Kill.

Consequently Judas killed himself.

Matthew 27: 3-5
3Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.



Judas choose to violate God's commandments, therefore he is damned to hell.

We have already established that by the time Judas killed himself, the issue of his culpability was res judicata and no doubt made a priori.

[Powwow]

Re: Bless Judas!

My thoughts on this topic are that even if Judas hadn't ratted our good friend out to the Romans/Jewish priests they would still have found a way to convict him. Notice the many times that the priests attempted to trap him with questioning?

I think in it's own way this is a bit of God's nudge towards showing us predestination...but as that type of discussion can go in a loop depending on your view i will not go into it.

[Joe Watts]

Re: Bless Judas!

Interesting discussion, Landover Lover. Do you accept the so-called Gnostic gospels as a part of the canon, or only as interesting stories told by other types of ancient, and wayward, Christians? How would you apply the knowledge contained in them to your life? The Gospel of Judas was perhaps the most reviled by Irenaeus. Why would modern Christians go against his decision to keep it out of the canon? And the Gospel of Thomas sounds like some kind of Taoist ramble. Can those kind of ideas find a place in modern Christian practice? What do they even mean?

Sorry about all the questions on my second post. I hope you don't find that too forward.

[barton]

Re: Bless Judas!

Of course this gospel is not canon, but who can trust the Catlickers and a Roman emperor, Constantine, who was in all likelihood playing both sides against the middle in claiming to be a Christian.

While what you say is true enough, the Gospel of Judas contains teachings that blatantly contradict legitimate Gospel. What could we expect anyway from the legacy of Judas? He made money off the our Lord's death!

[X-treme Zealotry]

Re: Bless Judas!

Personally, I think if it weren't for the Jews and Judas and the Romans, God would have worked out another way for it to happen.

[BaronOB]

Re: Bless Judas!

Judas was a traitor, deceives only condemnations, not blessings, period.

[silverspirit2001]

Re: Bless Judas!

Just another point to anyone wanting to support this heretical account of Judas.

If Jesus ordered Judas to betray him, it would

1. Be suicide by Jesus - a sin!
2. Judas would still be culpable for murder, since he knew the action would result in the death of Jesus - a sin!

Oh, how easy is it to spot such heretical documents! They betray their lies by the sins they would have Jesus commit!

Just like the Catholic Apocrypha.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Bless Judas!

Just another point to anyone wanting to support this heretical account of Judas.

If Jesus ordered Judas to betray him, it would

1. Be suicide by Jesus - a sin!
2. Judas would still be culpable for murder, since he knew the action would result in the death of Jesus - a sin!

Oh, how easy is it to spot such heretical documents! They betray their lies by the sins they would have Jesus commit!

Just like the Catholic Apocrypha.

Can you back any of that up with Scripture?

[WWJDnow]

Re: Bless Judas!

Just another point to anyone wanting to support this heretical account of Judas.

If Jesus ordered Judas to betray him, it would

1. Be suicide by Jesus - a sin!
2. Judas would still be culpable for murder, since he knew the action would result in the death of Jesus - a sin!

Oh, how easy is it to spot such heretical documents! They betray their lies by the sins they would have Jesus commit!

Just like the Catholic Apocrypha.

Thank you! There is no way Jesus could sin. Sure, there are parts of the Bible that make Jesus look like he wasn't such a nice guy, such as when he cursed people out and broke up families and said that he didn't come to bring peace but to bring a sword and threatened to destroy entire cities for not listening to him and spoke in riddles so some people wouldn't be saved and ran away when people needed to be healed and laid his head on the bare breasts of his male disciples, but THOSE WERE NOT SINS!