[trev_wy]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

I was once told this story:
A black man wanted to go join a white mans church (can't think why) so he went to the Pastor and asked. The Pastor somewhat reluctant to accept a Black man sneeringly suggested he go and ask God if it was right he should join the White mans church.
A week passed and the Pastor saw nothing of the Black man, the following day he sw him and sneeringly asked "well did you ask God if it was right for you to come into my church?". The Black man said "Ah sho' did and he say don't bother, cos' he been tryin' to get in fo' years".

An old boy scout camp fire tale, be interesting to see others take on it.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

If they're so tired, why don't they stop smoking pot?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

Where is the biblical evidence that ME is sin or sloth or any other illness for that matter?

If ME was an excuse for not working, don't you think God would have put that in the Bible? Read the verses on laziness and hard work again. They don't make any exceptions for ME.

I have a faith rooted in Christianity with branches that encompass other faiths drawing from then the best. I know ME is real because I have a daughter with it and have seen her pain, I only wish I could take upon myself for her, I have seen others in physical pain in the real world, that is how I know it is real,

There are no good things in other religions to draw from. I think you've essentially invented your own religion, simply taking the bits you like best from other religions without even caring about whether any of it is true, as long as it makes you happy. True Christianity(tm) is all about following the Bible, even the bits you don't like, no matter the cost to yourself or your loved ones.

Lk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

There are parts of the Bible I don't like, but I know it's true because it says so (Jn 17:17b), so I just do what it says.

as for why God hasn't healed her, he hasn't told me, feel free to ask him on my behalf.

God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners.

I am a believer in my own way and as yet God appears to have found nothing wrong with it, in fact some of my experiences seem to suggest he is with me.

So you interpret all the good things that happen as a sign of God's favour yet ignore all the bad things (such as having a daughter with ME) as being a sign of His displeasure. I bet the followers of every false religion do that to deceive themselves.

As for God making my child suffer if I saw him as that type of God I would reject him.

He is exactly that type of God.

Ex 20:3-5
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

[lukasekman]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

Very insightful findings there, brother.

In Christian Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), we fight the evils of psychiatry, including people who use psychiatry as an excuse to chew pills and not work.

Most so called psychiatric excuses to not work simply boils down to this: "Being too f**king lazy or unable to drive and then complaining about how they can't go anywhere. Also expecting their friends (if they can get any) or family members to drive them f**king everywhere!"

Another excuse that we are truly offended by is fibromyalgia (also known as fatsomyalgia). People with fibromyalgia are often emotionally bound to the disease, and loves their clumsiness, fat, ache and abscesses more than they love Jesus. If someone offer them even secular methods to cure it like methylsulfonylmethane (MSM), start running, cutting down on sugarcoating and going the the gym, they refuse because they are so bound the the disease. Instead, they will usually whine (which is the only thing they are good on) on so called "fat shaming".

Emotional binding to a disease is actually a type of demon possession.

Contrary to what social justice warriors believe, intellectual and physical defects are not something to be proud of, and they need to accept Jesus Christ to get rid of their demons.


And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them.
When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
- Matthew 8:14-17

[trev_wy]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

I get tired all the time but do you hear me whining about it? NO!!!

I take a nap.

NEXT???

I take a nap too but then again I haven't got ME

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

I have a faith rooted in Christianity with branches that encompass other faiths drawing from then the best.

This is your underlying problem. You cherry-pick only those bits of the Holy Bible which appeal to you, add to them whatever bits of Buddhism take your fancy this week, throw in Ganesh-worship and maybe a bit of Zoroastrianism for good measure, celebrate Hanukkah and claim you are drawing the best from this hodge-podge of confusion. By whose standards? Not God's, I suspect.

as for why God hasn't healed her, he hasn't told me

Or you weren't listening. But think about your so-called faith and take a guess.

I am a believer in my own way and as yet God appears to have found nothing wrong with it, in fact some of my experiences seem to suggest he is with me.

A believer in what, though? By your own standards, God certainly does seem to have found something wrong with it, if He has failed to heal your daughter. As for experiences which "seem to suggest" that He is with you, I suspect confirmation bias may be at work here.

I will pray for you and your daughter.

Yours in True Christian Faith,
Joanna

[Nobar King]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

I get tired all the time but do you hear me whining about it? NO!!!

I take a nap.

NEXT???

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

God has my full attention

Clearly He does not if your affections are directed towards other religions.

there is nothing in the bible that says thou shalt not take from other faiths that which is good. I have a wife and also friendships with other women, does that make me an adulterer.

It seems you've never actually read the Holy Bible. The Bible says to love the LORD with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength (Deuteronomy 6:5). If you love other gods, your whole heart, soul, and strength are not directed fully towards Him.

As for God making my child suffer if I saw him as that type of God I would reject him.

Clearly not, as you are still drawn towards Him. It's your soul reaching out for Him.

During the famine 1985 in Africa Bob Geldoff said "don't blame God, blame man", I do not blame God for my daughters illness but man for his ignorance, arrogance, short sightedness and thinking he is better, when all are created equal in the image of and the eyes of God.

The question shouldn't be What do random drug-addicted, commie self-rapists think, but What does God want of me and what will happen if I refuse?

Or as one man said to me "how can you go to church when religion is responsible for many wars" my reply "it is not religion but bigoted religious leaders and sheeplike followers" he couldn't answer.

He couldn't answer because he doesn't take his faith seriously. He doesn't know where to go for answers. He's just going through the motions he was conditioned to go through, likely since childhood. You don't have to follow like a blind sheep, though. You can take your faith seriously. You can learn what Jesus has in store for your life.

[trev_wy]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

Well there's your problem, friend. God does not wish to share your affections with your idols and other loves. He is a Jealous God and demands your 100% full attention and devotion to be on Him alone (Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 4:24). He is very possessive of this affection and will punish you and yours for failure to comply (Exodus 20:5; Joshua 24:19; Ezekiel 23:25). You were, as a matter of Biblical fact, created for one purpose and one purpose only - to bring Him Glory (Isaiah 43:6-7; 48:9-11; Romans 9:17). You do this by fearing and obeying Him (Ecclesiastes 12:13). Everything else will come together according to His perfect plan, when you capitulate your sin nature to His Divine Will (Proverbs 3:6; 16:3). Because you have decided to whore out your affections to whatever religious fancy comes your way with promises of emotional bliss, your prayers for healing have been Righteously ignored (John 9:31; Deuteronomy 1:45; Proverbs 15:29; 28:9; Isaiah 1:15). This is your fault, and the suffering of your child is God's wake-up call to you both (Deuteronomy 4:36; 8:5; 2 Samuel 7:14). Will you continue to ignore Him and His Righteous demands for your undivided worship? Or will you acknowledge your sin before Him, beg for mercy, and accept the conditions by which Salvation is freely given? If you choose Salvation, we can help.

God has my full attention there is nothing in the bible that says thou shalt not take from other faiths that which is good. I have a wife and also friendships with other women, does that make me an adulterer. As for God making my child suffer if I saw him as that type of God I would reject him.
During the famine 1985 in Africa Bob Geldoff said "don't blame God, blame man", I do not blame God for my daughters illness but man for his ignorance, arrogance, short sightedness and thinking he is better, when all are created equal in the image of and the eyes of God.
Or as one man said to me "how can you go to church when religion is responsible for many wars" my reply "it is not religion but bigoted religious leaders and sheeplike followers" he couldn't answer.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

I have a faith rooted in Christianity with branches that encompass other faiths drawing from then the best.

Well there's your problem, friend. God does not wish to share your affections with your idols and other loves. He is a Jealous God and demands your 100% full attention and devotion to be on Him alone (Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 4:24). He is very possessive of this affection and will punish you and yours for failure to comply (Exodus 20:5; Joshua 24:19; Ezekiel 23:25). You were, as a matter of Biblical fact, created for one purpose and one purpose only - to bring Him Glory (Isaiah 43:6-7; 48:9-11; Romans 9:17). You do this by fearing and obeying Him (Ecclesiastes 12:13). Everything else will come together according to His perfect plan, when you capitulate your sin nature to His Divine Will (Proverbs 3:6; 16:3). Because you have decided to whore out your affections to whatever religious fancy comes your way with promises of emotional bliss, your prayers for healing have been Righteously ignored (John 9:31; Deuteronomy 1:45; Proverbs 15:29; 28:9; Isaiah 1:15). This is your fault, and the suffering of your child is God's wake-up call to you both (Deuteronomy 4:36; 8:5; 2 Samuel 7:14). Will you continue to ignore Him and His Righteous demands for your undivided worship? Or will you acknowledge your sin before Him, beg for mercy, and accept the conditions by which Salvation is freely given? If you choose Salvation, we can help.

[trev_wy]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

Originally Posted by HatetheSin
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.
Good choice often reminds me of the scruffy person I saw that others looked down on yet went into a blood donation centre when those who looked down on him passed by on the other side.
Don't be so quick to judge. The homersexual thinks nothing of donating blood infected with AIDS.

I did not specify the donors sexual preference this is a fine example of jumping to the wrong conclusion, and lack of knowing where the spell checker is.

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Originally Posted by trev_wy View Post
What is Dr Prendergasts experience in ME, we had a Dr Prendergast in England who once held similar views, he featured in a documentary and was shot down in flames by other doctors. I always ask anyone who considered themselves an expert, what research they base their theory on.

I have no experience with the sin of sloth. My research comes from the Bible.

Where is the biblical evidence that ME is sin or sloth or any other illness for that matter

First, what denomination are you with? And second, doesn't this prove ME's not real? If it were real and you are a Christian and prayed in faith, why didn't God heal her, as He promises?

I have a faith rooted in Christianity with branches that encompass other faiths drawing from then the best. I know ME is real because I have a daughter with it and have seen her pain, I only wish I could take upon myself for her, I have seen others in physical pain in the real world, that is how I know it is real, as for why God hasn't healed her, he hasn't told me, feel free to ask him on my behalf.

Only believers are children of God.

I am a believer in my own way and as yet God appears to have found nothing wrong with it, in fact some of my experiences seem to suggest he is with me.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.
Good choice often reminds me of the scruffy person I saw that others looked down on yet went into a blood donation centre when those who looked down on him passed by on the other side.

Don't be so quick to judge. The homersexual thinks nothing of donating blood infected with AIDS.



YIC

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

What is Dr Prendergasts experience in ME, we had a Dr Prendergast in England who once held similar views, he featured in a documentary and was shot down in flames by other doctors. I always ask anyone who considered themselves an expert, what research they base their theory on.

I have no experience with the sin of sloth. My research comes from the Bible.

Yes we have tried prayer very often, had it worked my daughter would have been well, it has helped us accept the fact that she is ill with an illness beyond comprehension of current modern day medicine. As such on Sunday May 12 2002 I was given the privilege of leading the intercession a special one for ME Awarenes Day, perhaps the only church to do so and ended with this prayer.

First, what denomination are you with? And second, doesn't this prove ME's not real? If it were real and you are a Christian and prayed in faith, why didn't God heal her, as He promises?

Jn 14:12-14 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I often refer to him as my brother Jesus, as we are all children of God

Only believers are children of God.

Rom 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

It is Dr PENDERGAST, without an R. No relation.

[trev_wy]

Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Fake Illness and a Lame Excuse for Laziness

AIDS was not around in Jesus's time but there were other illnesses of which he showed understanding and compassion, and no doubt he would have doe the same had he come across someone with AIDS
Yes I am getting spiritually fed at my own church, thank you
What is Dr Prendergasts experience in ME, we had a Dr Prendergast in England who once held similar views, he featured in a documentary and was shot down in flames by other doctors. I always ask anyone who considered themselves an expert, what research they base their theory on.
Yes we have tried prayer very often, had it worked my daughter would have been well, it has helped us accept the fact that she is ill with an illness beyond comprehension of current modern day medicine. As such on Sunday May 12 2002 I was given the privilege of leading the intercession a special one for ME Awarenes Day, perhaps the only church to do so and ended with this prayer.
Heavenly Father, to whom the need of every heart are known, give patience, courage and hope to those suffering from M. E. and other conditions of Chronic Fatigue, and strength to those who care for them. Increase the sensitivity of doctors, the compassionate understanding of family, colleagues and neighbours, and the skill of the researchers as they
seek a cure. We ask this through the one who restored the sick to the fullness of life, Jesus Christ Our Lord Amen.
I often refer to him as my brother Jesus, as we are all children of God

No I am not a Brony Person, and yes mane was a typo, apologies for that.

HatetheSin Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.
Good choice often reminds me of the scruffy person I saw that others looked down on yet went into a blood donation centre when those who looked down on him passed by on the other side.