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  • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

    Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
    The fact that we are no longer in Eden is proof enough for me.
    Proof of what?

    If that knowledge was important enough to banish not only the first two people from Eden, but all of their descendants and force them to endure great misery, logic dictates we should be aware of that knowledge.

    In short, what exactly did we learn to deserve such crap?

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    • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

      Genesis 2:9 tells us it was the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, not a Tree of Knowledge. Before Adam ate from that tree, he knew only good. By disobeying God, Adam learnt evil.

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      • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

        Originally posted by Mother Of Seven View Post
        Genesis 2:9 tells us it was the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, not a Tree of Knowledge. Before Adam ate from that tree, he knew only good. By disobeying God, Adam learnt evil.
        To be honest, that tree is known by many names. Tree of knowledge as well as tree of knowledge of good and evil are names that are used quite a lot.

        However, your statement doesn't make sense. If the tree grants knowledge of both good and evil, how did Adam already knew good?

        According to your words, if Adam learned only evil when he ate from the tree, shouldn't it be called the tree of knowledge of evil?

        If that tree is called the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then, logic dictates, that Adam learned both good and evil when he ate from it.

        Either way, I find it ridiculous that such knowledge is enough of a reason to banish not only Adam and Eve, but the rest of humanity and doom them forever. I think god overreacted. Quite a bit, I might add.

        Knowing what is good and what is evil can be extremely useful. If you know what is evil, then you will not do it. And if you know what is good, you are, naturally, geared towards doing good. Furthermore, learning about something has always been one of the strong points of humanity. We learn about something so that we would know how to best use it, how it would benefit everyone and whether or not should we stay away from it.

        That's why we go to school. That's why we have science and so on...

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        • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

          Originally posted by Scorch View Post
          To be honest, that tree is known by many names. Tree of knowledge as well as tree of knowledge of good and evil are names that are used quite a lot.

          However, your statement doesn't make sense. If the tree grants knowledge of both good and evil, how did Adam already knew good?

          According to your words, if Adam learned only evil when he ate from the tree, shouldn't it be called the tree of knowledge of evil?

          If that tree is called the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then, logic dictates, that Adam learned both good and evil when he ate from it.

          Either way, I find it ridiculous that such knowledge is enough of a reason to banish not only Adam and Eve, but the rest of humanity and doom them forever. I think god overreacted. Quite a bit, I might add.

          Knowing what is good and what is evil can be extremely useful. If you know what is evil, then you will not do it. And if you know what is good, you are, naturally, geared towards doing good. Furthermore, learning about something has always been one of the strong points of humanity. We learn about something so that we would know how to best use it, how it would benefit everyone and whether or not should we stay away from it.

          That's why we go to school. That's why we have science and so on...
          You're trying to put God into a box. Think outside the box, dear. God is holy. Why, He's not just holy, He's holy holy holy (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8)! You cannot understand Him through science, but only through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). Consider Abraham and his noble trust in God on faith alone. If you recall, God told Abraham that Abraham would be a father of many nations and that his wife Sarah would bear him a child even though they were very old. Sarah was 90, and so obviously her uterus was dried up and useless, and yet in faith Abraham somehow gritted his teeth, squeezed his eyes shut, thought of something pleasant, and obediently seeded her.

          Then God did a most wondrous thing! He told Abraham to kill his son Isaac in order to prove his faith (Genesis 22:1-19). You'll note that upon receiving the order, Abraham did not start a scientific query about the legitimacy of the command he heard. He didn't consider the voices he heard were only in his head, nor did he consider the idea that a "father of many nations" needs children. No, he simply shut up and obeyed, and really, that's what the LORD calls us to do as well. That's our whole duty (Ecclesiastes 12:13). Everything else, like judging and rebuking sinners, compelling the vulnerable to recognize their faults so they can confess and be converted, praising Jesus all the time, well, that's just frosting!

          By the way, in the same way God told Abraham He was pleased because He knew that Abraham truly feared Him (Genesis 22:12), God can be pleased with us (Matthew 25:21)! So you see, all your scientific mumbo-jumbo just gets in the way of a good, healthy faith.



          Could you slit your child's throat if the Lord of Lords commanded you?

          Faith is not easy. That's why it's a virtue.

          Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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          • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

            Originally posted by Scorch View Post
            If that tree is called the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then, logic dictates, that Adam learned both good and evil when he ate from it.
            There's no "if" about it. Its name is spelled out in The Bible. When people start choosing positions based on what "logic" dictates before long they will start following what "freedom" dictates or even re-defining freedom by non-Biblical standards. France would be a good example of that as the values they celebrate make plain.




            EXAMPLE 1
            from Ubu Enchained by Alfred Jarry

            Act I scene 2:

            The Parade Ground. The three free men, their corporal.

            three free men
            We are the Free Men and this is our Corporal. -Three cheers for freedom, rah, rah, rah! We are free -Let's not forget, it's our duty to be free. Hey! not so fast, or we might arrive on time. Freedom means never arriving on time-never, never!-for our freedom drills. Let's disobey together No! not together: one, two, three! the first will disobey on the count of one, the second on two, the third on three. that makes all the difference. Let's each march out of step with the other two, however exhausting it may be to keep it up. Let's disobey individually-here comes the corporal of the Free Men!


            Following what freedom dictates never leads anywhere good because without God there is no freedom. When Lord Cornholer visits a French prison that folly is laid bare.




            EXAMPLE 2
            Act IV scene 2:

            Do look up the word 'palace' in the dictionary, dear boy.

            jack (reading out)
            Palace: edifice constructed of blocks of granite, decorated with iron bars. Royal Palace, the Louvre: similar model, but with a gate in front presided over by guards whose function it is to ensure that no one gets in.

            cornholer
            Well, it looks all right, but just to make sure, Jack, ask this guard if it really is the King's palace.

            jack (to the first free man)
            Soldier, is this the King's palace?

            second free man (to the first)
            Truth compels you to admit that we haven't got a King and so this building can't be the King's palace. We are the Free Men!

            first free man (to the second)
            Truth compels me ? Not at all. Being Free Men, we shouldn't take orders even from truth itself. -- Yes, mister foreigner, sir, this building is in fact the King's palace.

            cornholer
            Oh goody goody! Here's a big tip for you. -- Jack!
            The valet bows.

            Go and knock on the door and ask if I may have audience of the King.


            Things go from bad to worse and chaos is the best anyone could expect. This is what passes for "art" in Europe.




            EXAMPLE 3

            Decay.
            WARNING link contains European “art’



            Why anyone should wish to be enslaved like that is beyond me, but enslaved they are. Only Jesus can set them free. The Bible teaches us that:
            Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, KJV

            ..and that folly is exemplified in French theatre.

            Unlike Pa Ubu, Peter knew that obedience to one's will, even if that will is to be enslaved, can never lead to freedom.
            I Peter 2:15-16 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.KJV

            "Oh yeah," the French libertine hisses. "Fine for Peter, he could think anything he liked," but Peter had no thoughts. His ignorant foolishness had been silenced and his will had been replaced with the will of God.

            The will of God is consistent.
            II Corinthians 10:3-6 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. KJV

            Obedience. That is the path to freedom as Paul found when he saw the light and heard the voice and obeyed. And Paul was set free. No longer in servitude to false dogma but the property of Christ.
            I Corinthians 7:22-23 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. KJV

            The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Christians really have been set free and have a new owner to obey. Jesus. I don't need to think any more because He does the thinking and I'll do whatever He wants because He loves me.
            Colossians 3:23-24 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. KJV

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            • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

              Originally posted by AgnosticFool View Post
              Have you ever seen this Jesus or God? These Deities are just fairy tail lies.
              If you (incorrectly) believe that God or Jesus is a fake, then why would you go into a forum that is obviously a Christian forum, just to say they are fake. Are you just begging for attention, or just being an all around troll?

              I used to be an atheist, and I admit it. In fact, it was in part this forum that convinced me to cast off my shackles and embrace Christianity. But even as an atheist looking at this site, I was not so hateful as to go on and say that I though Jesus and God were fake, that's just a mean thing to do, and you should know that no one on here will change their beliefs, so why do you bother trying?

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              • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                Hmm....inspired by Sam Harris & Richard Dawkins ?
                Matthew 12:30:
                He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

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                • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                  Mary:

                  Faith is the suspension of critical thinking and rational thought.

                  As for putting god in a box, I'll admit, that is more or less true. That's because I want to understand him, to understand how or why such an entity could exist, despite there being no evidence of his existence. That is what I usually do with everything before I let it influence my life. Because if I'll let something/someone tell me what to do, I will make sure that person is worth listening to. If I'll be seeking answers, I want to make sure the source of my answers is credible.

                  As for the story about Abraham, that is one of the two stories (the other one being the story about Job) that made me leave Christianity. I shudder to think how insecure god must be if he is able to ask something like that.

                  Furthermore, how can one father ask something like that from another father? Either god is a lousy father or he is unable to understand what fatherhood means. Regardless, such a figure is an unreliable (to put it mildly) source of fatherhood advice.

                  As for Abraham, I have to question his priorities as well. There is a saying: "Blood is thicker than water." And I hold this idea in very high regard. It doesn't matter how much I argue with my family, or how strained our relationships might get, when it comes to dealing with the outside world, no one hurts my family. No one. If I have to stand against the entire world in order to protect my family, so be it. If I have to spend an eternity in hell (assuming such a place exists), just for my child to live one more day, so be it. I will gladly do it. Therefore, no matter what kind of threats god would use, I would not even consider doing what Abraham did.

                  Lastly, I would like to know what kind of an impression (psychological trauma) this event left on Abraham's son.

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                  • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                    Originally posted by Scorch View Post
                    Faith is the suspension of critical thinking and rational thought.
                    Even by the false standards of secularism, your "rationality" has failed. Just as Jesus predicted:
                    MARK 13
                    7
                    And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

                    Then things go downhill, the inevitable result of atheism and secular "value" systems
                    8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows
                    KJV .. look up

                    They're not really values, are they.

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                    • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                      Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
                      Even by the false standards of secularism, your "rationality" has failed. Just as Jesus predicted:
                      MARK 13
                      7
                      And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
                      Then things go downhill, the inevitable result of atheism and secular "value" systems
                      8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows
                      KJV .. look up
                      They're not really values, are they.
                      Riiiiiight, and religion has nothing, whatsoever to do with the problems we face today.
                      Besides, considering that atheists are often in minority, especially in the US, I am impressed by our ability to influence the world (assuming we go by your words).

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                      • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                        Originally posted by Scorch View Post
                        Actually, I am from the jungles of africa. My boyfriend is a monkey.
                        ---

                        This is abominable.

                        You will likely taste the Lake of Fire.
                        God judgeth the righteous, And God is angry with the wicked every day- Psalm 7:11

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                        • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                          Originally posted by Alvin Moss View Post
                          This is abominable.

                          You will likely taste the Lake of Fire.
                          Likely? .... Just "likely"?

                          Congratulations, you're the first guy on this site who is speaking without certainty in regards of the teaching of the bible. Most of the religious people are 100% certain of it and you can see the certainty in their posts.

                          You, my friend, seem to lack that certainty, as if you're only 70% certain of what will happen.

                          Either way, no. No, I will not taste the lake of fire.

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                          • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                            Originally posted by Scorch View Post
                            No, I will not taste the lake of fire.
                            Friend, there is zero doubt in my mind that Jesus wants you to avoid everlasting hellfire. But if you keep up being a fool and mocking Him, Jesus will have no choice but to wad you up like an old snotrag and cast you into the deepest pit of hell.

                            You can doubt and deny all you like. Hell is chock full of degenerates like you who believed satan's lies. Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn.
                            Who Will Jesus Damn?

                            Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                            Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                            Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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                            • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                              Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                              Friend, there is zero doubt in my mind that Jesus wants you to avoid everlasting hellfire. But if you keep up being a fool and mocking Him, Jesus will have no choice but to wad you up like an old snotrag and cast you into the deepest pit of hell.

                              You can doubt and deny all you like. Hell is chock full of degenerates like you who believed satan's lies. Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn.
                              Wow, your post nails down perfectly just how merciful Jesus is. Besides, since he, according to your beliefs, died for my sins, I'm covered, so there is no need for me to worry. Jesus died for my sins, god forgave me and I have nothing to worry about.

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                              • Re: PROOF God is REAL!

                                Originally posted by Scorch View Post
                                Wow, your post nails down perfectly just how merciful Jesus is. Besides, since he, according to your beliefs, died for my sins, I'm covered, so there is no need for me to worry. Jesus died for my sins, god forgave me and I have nothing to worry about.
                                Jesus DID NOT die for everyone

                                He died for those that BELIEVE.

                                For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life.
                                John 3:16
                                Everyone doesn't believe in Jesus, thus they will perish.

                                Including you, godmocker.
                                Who Will Jesus Damn?

                                Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                                Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                                Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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