[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Here's an image that shows from the secular perspective how the Big Dipper has changed over time (and will change).

yes and because they change it then proves the theist of the universe is still expanding.

Actually. It doesn't. By now you might have realized that to defend secular science you should be familiar with it, not just trust your fallible mind to produce good data.

From the atheist viewpoint, astronomy, the expansion of the Universe is not based on changing asterisms. The stars that you see (again, according to the secular explanation) all belong to the local group of stars called the Milky Way Galaxy. The movement of these stars within the Milky Way Galaxy does not require any expansion of the whole universe. The circumnavigation of stars on their paths around the galaxy is adequate.

Expansion of the Universe has been justified based on the red shift. In addition, the velocity of their recession is directly proportional to the distance of the galaxy from us. This is called the Hubble law named after a secular philosopher. To debate science in a proficient manner you should study it. To debate religion in a proficient manner you should study it, too. It seems that you world view is based on your subjective interpretations of some scattered data that you have been able not to miss. Are you willing to take the risk of education, putting your preconceptions to the test in an unbiased manner?

Ephesians 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[keseos]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

If the Earth is spinning through space, and the surface of the earth at the equator moves at a speed of 1,000 miles per hour, and also traveling around the sun with a supposed orbital speed of about 19 miles per second, or 67,000 miles per hour, then why do the star trails look like the Earth is not moving at all, but the stars are rotating? Why doesn't the North Star move? Why do we see the same constellations as man did thousands of years ago if the earth whips past them at such tremendous speed (Amos 5:8)? How are they supposed to fall if we blast past them (Mark 13:25)?

I love science. I'm a homeschooler and love to teach my children how Jesus created the world, but to call it "evidence"? "Facts?" To lay it as your epistemology? That's just silly. The Holy Bible has a perfect monopoly on truth. It has no contradictions; no fault.

Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
1 Chronicles 16:30

The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Psalms 93:1

Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
Psalms 96:10

Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
Joshua 10:12

Atheists can't explain this, so they make up mythologies to corrupt children:

that photo is a long exposure picture, and if you had read what they had said and all the evidence they had collected. the earth has been proven by how during the year that the stars used for the zodiac 1) change place 2) cannot see them in their month/time they are closest and such, and the north star can be seen by anywhere on the planet because of how far it is from the earth and how big it is.

Had you read the

Bible

, you would know that the earth does

not

move!

Psalms 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Had you educated yourself in

science

, you would know that the

constellations change

over time. Even if the atheist notion of constellations and stars and Old Age of the Earth were right,

you

would still be mistaken. We do

not

see the the same constellations as man did thousands of years ago. Here's an image that shows from the secular perspective how the

Big Dipper

has changed over time (and will change).

Now knowing the Bible nor anything about secular astrology is

understandable

but not excusable. Please,

any kind of education

would become you more than the ignorance. I'm praying for you.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

yes and because they change it then proves the theist of the universe is still expanding.

That would only work if you were standing at the North Pole, dear. Here in the Godly state of Iowa we're miles from the North Pole and yet the North Star doesn't move, which it would if the earth really did spin like some cosmic dreidel Jesus spun 6000 years ago.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Is this woman stupid or what?


You say you homeschool your kids. If you were in Australia, child care workers would knock on your door and rescue your children from you.


What you're practicing is called child abuse.


And to answer your question, a Pole Star remains stationary because it's positioned so close to the earth's rotational axis, that despite a rotating earth, its position "appears to be" stationary.


Even a 5th grader can answer this question. Of course not the homeschooled ones with child-abusing mothers like yourself.

Nonsense. If that was the case, the Star of Bethlehem would have led the Wise Men to the North Pole.

[Evilutionist Clive]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Sir, you are very rude to somebody who is simply trying to help you.

In her own little way Sister Mary is simply asking the kind of questions which have stumped Atheist for hundreds of years since Atheism was invented as a way to hate God in a codified way.

Although she may lack the genitalitular qualifications to actual teach you could learn a lot from her serendipitous posting style.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence

I didn’t read most of your post but you haven’t refuted her position.

YIC

All right I agree, I may have crossed a line. I should not have called Mrs. Mary Ethelreda stupid for being a woman. I painfully regret my words.


Do accept my apology.


But what the hell is this -- seriously you're handing out infractions? Am I a fucking baby?


I offered my sincere apology to the lady. That should settle it in a real world. Moreover, I am disturbed by your insinuation that women are, in fact, stupid. That's gross. Those are not my views. I consider women equal to men in all respects.


Again, I would apologize to this lady for my misogynistic remark. But there's far more misogyny in these 'friendly forums'. Never mind.

Dear Evolutionist Clyde,

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forum.

Reason: Insolent Backsass To A True Christian™
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Sir, calling someone stupid, even a woman is not considered good form on this friendly forum.

Children read these pages and learning that women are stupid is something to be done sensitively in one’s own home at one’s father’s (or friendly Uncle’s) knee.

Kids don’t need to learn this from a stranger without the love of Jesus in his heart.

YIC
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This infraction is worth 100 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=1230089

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Is this woman stupid or what?


You say you homeschool your kids. If you were in Australia, child care workers would knock on your door and rescue your children from you.


What you're practicing is called child abuse.


And to answer your question, a Pole Star remains stationary because it's positioned so close to the earth's rotational axis, that despite a rotating earth, its position "appears to be" stationary.


Even a 5th grader can answer this question. Of course not the homeschooled ones with child-abusing mothers like yourself.

Sir, you are very rude to somebody who is simply trying to help you.

In her own little way Sister Mary is simply asking the kind of questions which have stumped Atheist for hundreds of years since Atheism was invented as a way to hate God in a codified way.

Although she may lack the genitalitular qualifications to actual teach you could learn a lot from her serendipitous posting style.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence

I didn’t read most of your post but you haven’t refuted her position.

YIC

[Evilutionist Clive]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

If the Earth is spinning through space, and the surface of the earth at the equator moves at a speed of 1,000 miles per hour, and also traveling around the sun with a supposed orbital speed of about 19 miles per second, or 67,000 miles per hour, then why do the star trails look like the Earth is not moving at all, but the stars are rotating? Why doesn't the North Star move?

Is this woman stupid or what?


You say you homeschool your kids. If you were in Australia, child care workers would knock on your door and rescue your children from you.


What you're practicing is called child abuse.


And to answer your question, a Pole Star remains stationary because it's positioned so close to the earth's rotational axis, that despite a rotating earth, its position "appears to be" stationary.


Even a 5th grader can answer this question. Of course not the homeschooled ones with child-abusing mothers like yourself.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

I hate to change the subject here, but as long as we're talking about the North Star we need to finally put to rest these spinning orbiting globe types once and for all - and that means talking about that limp wristed Frenchie Foucault and his pendulum.

Much like French Fries, these things have spread all over the place and in major cities in the world you can go see these things and you're supposed to sit and ponder - "see, that's proof that the earth is round and spinning".

Well, it's been debunked.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

That would only work if you were standing at the North Pole, dear. Here in the Godly state of Iowa we're miles from the North Pole and yet the North Star doesn't move, which it would if the earth really did spin like some cosmic dreidel Jesus spun 6000 years ago.

Interesting how atheists are always able to make up an answer that fits their subjective beliefs. We point out the obvious, posters like Hugo have to come up with something, no matter how ridiculous.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Stars move as the earth rotates on its own center. The north star is positioned on the center of this rotation, thats why its movement is minute and barely perceptible. If you take a long exposure photo at night you can see this movement. Any camera with manual mode can do this.
http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essent...-star-movement

That would only work if you were standing at the North Pole, dear. Here in the Godly state of Iowa we're miles from the North Pole and yet the North Star doesn't move, which it would if the earth really did spin like some cosmic dreidel Jesus spun 6000 years ago.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

The earth does not move at all.

Psalm 104:1-5 O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.….Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

[Hugo Feio]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

Stars move as the earth rotates on its own center. The north star is positioned on the center of this rotation, thats why its movement is minute and barely perceptible. If you take a long exposure photo at night you can see this movement. Any camera with manual mode can do this.

http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/north-star-movement

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

The theories just keep coming.
.Phlogiston Theory
. The Æther
. .Miasmatic Disease Hypothesis
. . Heliocentric Universe Theory
. . .Single Fluid Optics (there is no such thing as darkness)
. . . Seawater Petrified Into Rocks Theory (rocks are made from water)
. . . .Emission Theory Of Vision (beams shoot out of your eyes)
. . . . Worms Of The Teeth (did no-one ever look in the mirror with their mouth open?)

It's a laugh a minute except that all these have one thing in common. A great big horrible thing. They were all wrong. Earnestly advanced by people whose only objective seems to be contradicting The Bible. And just like Vatican heretics they happily eject dogma when it seems that something different will bring in more cash. "Your babies are being tortured in Limbo: we accept cash," until the catholics themselves (not the ones at The Vatican who obviously don't believe any of it) decided that they didn't really think God would torture babies so they toned it down a bit "OK, ok, but they still need prayers, usual currencies at so-much-a-word index linked ppp, and it's just most babies.." to which after a while the hoi polloi responded "No, sorry, we're fading fast here," and the rapid riposte "Some babies and we'll just charge by the minute." I won't go on; in the end they simple declared there was no Limbo after all.

APRIL 2007 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1549439/The-Pope-ends-state-of-limbo-after-800-years.html

So for the previous 800 years when they said that a] the babies were in Limbo b] the prayers were getting through and eventually c] that the baby had now made it out, in fact they had no evidence for this and had been lying. Because whatever they said they had proof for previously is now something pronounced not to be there at all. You can't have evidence for something that doesn't exist, but they said they did and charged on that basis.

So-called scientists did the same thing. "Oh yes, your mouth has worms Mrs O'Gherkinshaw, you really should try another diet; fortunately we have a cure." Radium Theory kicks in here but clearly either the O'Gherkinshaw household lacks mirrors or the scientist is an obsessional charlatan. Both, probably, because we all know the cure is worse than the tooth worms and that tooth worms do not exist.

[crazyjack13]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?

I find it disheartening that we need to justify our beliefs with evidence other than the Bible itself in order to convince certain Sinning Oranges...

Why should we need to bring up anything but the Bible itself to convince them? Don't they understand that they're nothing but worms before God until they pick it up?

[Dana723]

Re: Hey atheists, if the earth is moving through space, why does the North Star stay fixed in the sky?



No atheist could ever refute such words of truth!

[MitzaLizalor]

! ! ! SCIENCE ALERT ! ! !

Ok in all seriousness though to answer your retarded question. The Earth orbits the sun. For those stupid people that means it is rotating around the sun in circles. That is why we see the same constellations as man did thousands of years ago. That lot of questions doesn't prove atheists wrong it just proves you know nothing about how the world works.

Science education is really failing the next generation. At this rate it will have to be moved the ancient literature class. "Orbit" the sun? Then in the next sentence it's not "orbiting" any more it's "rotating" - in circles! Does your school library not have a dictionary? Usually there's a McGraw-Hill somewhere, or has the library been burned down? Next "circles" come up. Here's what Cornell's astrologist claimed only last year:

At first glance it may seem odd that a force such as gravity, which pulls the planets straight in toward the center of mass, should result in elliptical orbits! But in fact it is quite straightforward to understand why this should be so.
click star . for source