[MitzaLizalor]

Re: I fear JWST is the work of Satan

Someone please put my mind at ease.

I noticed your correct use of Genesis 9:12-15 in another thread and can reassure you that when God sees what's in the sky (He's on the other side of it but can see through it OK) He remembers the promises made not to flood us again, except for local events occasionally. Viewed from its upper surface, The Firmament described in Genesis 1:6-7 could be any shape. We don't know what that shape is because we can't see it. We can see the underneath side though which appears smooth but measurements suggest there could be upward indentations perhaps with a star at each apex.

John 10:16 [Jesus speaking] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jesus is on the other side of The Firmament. We know this because very occasionally it has opened and He has been seen there. Looking down He sees not only us, His earthly sheep, but sheep of other folds too. If we could see those for ourselves He wouldn't need to have told us about them. Let's say we live underneath the Green Firmament. We could launch a telescope up as far as the moon and attach it there or farther away up inside one of those extruded green tentacle-looking things. Then it would be more distant than the moon and (obviously) closer to any stars inside there too. In the picture the Green Firmament is shown from the other side so none of the stars or the moon or planets – II Kings 23:5 – are visible.

If Jesus were viewing from the same perspective, He'd be able to see other folds too, very likely underneath other Firmaments. I predict that in accordance with the many firmaments hypothesis, the JWST will never detect any of them because it will always be inside our own Firmament and until that was broken, nothing outside it could be seen. As we saw in Genesis, one function of firmaments is to hold back the waters above and as you yourself posted, God has set the rainbow as a reminder to Himself not to flood the earth again, a promise we can rely on. Therefore our Firmament will not be ruptured in the future and the Webb telescope will not commit blasphemy by peering into Heaven.

I hope that puts your mind at ease.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: I fear JWST is the work of Satan

Someone please put my mind at ease. The astonishing rate of discoveries made by this satanic device is a threat to Christianity and young minds!
I pray for forgiveness every night for this evil that taints the sky.

One can only imagine how angry Jesus and God are to have this spying device aimed at them. They will have to pull the curtains to have some privacy.

From what I observed, God will tolerate this for a while and then destroy it. Look for the worst storm ever. Or, he may have an enemy army do it.

[WWJDnow]

Re: I fear JWST is the work of Satan

Why did God not smite this contraption out of the sky when it was launched? What if this thing makes more discoveries that opens the door to questioning His Almighty's wonderful creations?

Who knows the mind of the Almighty? Often, God will leave Satan's handiwork in place simply to test our faith. For example, outside the Bible, the evidence for evolution is overwhelming. God needs to know, whom do you trust, the scientists with their mountains of evidence all pointing in one direction or the Lord and His Word pointing in the other. I think that's why He did not smite the JWT.

[Disciple_of_Word]

I fear JWST is the work of Satan

Someone please put my mind at ease. The astonishing rate of discoveries made by this satanic device is a threat to Christianity and young minds!

Why did God not smite this contraption out of the sky when it was launched? What if this thing makes more discoveries that opens the door to questioning His Almighty's wonderful creations?


And why oh why was that amount of money allowed to be invested in Satan and not in local/national Churches? Think of all the new megachurches we could've erected for our Lord!


I pray for forgiveness every night for this evil that taints the sky.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

Not to beat a dead horse with my peeves about science

Not at all, Mr. Mayor. Whether it be Noah's Ark or a pile of old logs, mispricing assets is a serious problem. It's an opportunity to extract advantage. Arbitraging someone's belief in the weight and authority of the Church to sell them some relics unlocks value that might otherwise be left on the table.

Much the same problem in science, where misplaced trust in hairy guys that sit at computers for hours trying to solve problems leads to underinvestment in professors in waistcoats who lecture well and talk the most in meetings.

We badly need a Moneyball moment in science to reveal, for example, the bowtie as an indicator of success in the future, and then price it accordingly. Laughable metrics like hours spent trying to solve a problem will one day be, uh, laughed at by fully bowtied departments of professors.

[WWJDnow]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

We should do for Noah's Ark what the Jews do with food--have Pastor Ezekiel offer a "kosher" seal of approval for all Biblical relics. The Rabbis make a pretty good living off their racket certification program. We should get on this ASAP before the Episcopalians or the Presbyterians or, Heaven forbid, Creflo Dollar beat us to the punch.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

Not to beat a dead horse with my peeves about science, but here is another that bugs me. Over the years, several timbers have been found on mountains in the Middle East. Many Christian scientists stroke their beards and say, "Has to be from Noah's Ark." But, they say the same thing about different piles of timber located some distance from one another. We know one of them IS from Noah's Ark--it was so huge some timbers have to have survived.

So, which one is it? Scientists need to agree. Even if they cannot agree they could decide by majority vote and the real Noah Ark relics would be factually established.

I don't need to tell the savvy businesspeople in LBC the commercial value of genuine Noah's Ark timbers. Removed and displayed in a nice, air-conditioned museum they would be money machines.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

Think of the gas gauge on your car or the water pressure at your faucet. These are great scientific advances that generated vast profits. After these discoveries, it seems like science went on a lunch break and never came back.

Some scientists are still doing important work, Mr Mayor. Neil deGrasse Tyson comments on popular culture, Bill Nye "The Science Guy" (as scientists call him) debates theologists like Ken Ham on fundamental questions, Noam Chomsky complains about ???, Elon does... Elon, you know? If all the money went to these top guys, we could be driving flying cars by now.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

Putting aside the verisimilitude of scientists' claims of a "real world" out there, I want to see evidence of a return on investment - deliverables, cashflow, jobs created.
I will pray for the scientists. There is hope that they can be reined in from their disagreeable, wayward, non-conformist ways and deliver quality products as they have in the past - velcro, the ballpoint pen, 8k monitors, "5G", and many others.

Scientists need the motto, "Make yourself useful." You are correct, Doctor Toole, there have been scientists who helped us. Your examples of Velcro and the ballpoint pen make that case. Think of the gas gauge on your car or the water pressure at your faucet. These are great scientific advances that generated vast profits. After these discoveries, it seems like science went on a lunch break and never came back.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

It always strikes me that we are just asked to "believe" whatever these scientists put in front of us. Oooh yes a pretty picture with lots of "galaxies" and "universes".



Well we wouldn't just "believe" in anything we're told anywhere else without proof?



Micah 7:5-6

Acts 1:3

[WWJDnow]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

Then there is this "red shift" - suggesting that the "universe" is expanding at an increasing rate.

The red shift is an obvious reference to the way the far-Left Communists like Joe Biden have taken over the Democrat party.

Now I can see God expanding the universe - principally to keep the Mormons from ever reaching Kolob. Even if the Mormons could figure out how to do it, it will take an awful long time. The idea of RINO Mitt Romney freeze-drying himself before taking off in a rocket has some appeal - at least in the abstract.

How true! The other gods like the Mormon god are always causing trouble. Don't they know that God is their leader?

A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Psalm 82:1-2

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

Putting aside the verisimilitude of scientists' claims of a "real world" out there, I want to see evidence of a return on investment - deliverables, cashflow, jobs created. We have been far too forgiving of scientists claiming things didn't work out as planned, or the thing they tried to prove was wrong.

We need guarantees. The success of Thomas Kinkade in the art world has shown that business models can readily be applied to human pursuits: X number of breakthroughs per day, Y number of articles per week, Z units of science, etc. Can the work be done cheaper by Chinese students? Yes. These are metrics that decision-makers want.

If the expensive new machine cannot answer basic questions asked of it, such as what is the meaning of the universe, when answersingenesis.org has this information freely downloadable online, then we need to ask hard questions about the future of science. As Davi et al (2021) note in their article How has neoliberalism weakened science? "competition for access to project funding has ... favored a ‘society of the spectacle’ in the scientific field".

Let's pause momentarily to look at a spectacular image from the JWST:

"We have entered the era of science promises made to funders, promises that are often not kept, resulting in lay society disillusionment. ... Public opinions in OCDE countries are increasingly suspicious about scientific discourses on sensitive issues such as vaccines, the reliability of medical treatments or climate change. ... During the Covid-19 crisis, preprints, sometimes of very poor quality, have been widely disseminated by the general press and considered as valid information."

I will pray for the scientists. There is hope that they can be reined in from their disagreeable, wayward, non-conformist ways and deliver quality products as they have in the past - velcro, the ballpoint pen, 8k monitors, "5G", and many others.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

But if the so-called "universe" were expanding then wouldn't every living being in it (and thus part of it) also be expanding "universally"? Okay, some people may be a lot fatter than they used to be, but they are mostly the same height because if they were taller you wouldn't notice. And how would you account for portion sizes getting smaller?

Interesting question Sister. According to these "scientists" using the Hubble space telescope, the "universe" is expanding faster than the speed of light.

Now as much as I would like to see Democrats heads explode at the speed of light, what the scientists reveal is that it is not ordinary matter that is expanding, but the "dark" space between these "space" objects that is expanding. This "dark matter" or "dark energy" comprises about 92% of the known universe and "scientists" confess that they just don't know what it is - which is kind of refreshing after listening to Fauci's "trust the science" blathering and the globull warming hoax deniers shouting "the science is settled" over so many years.

Maybe some day soon these "scientists" will get with Jesus.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

Isn't it time to tell scientists it's time to put up or shut up. They wanted their James Webb Telescope. If they had it, they claimed, they could solve all kinds of mysteries. The one they always mention is "the origin of the universe."

Well scientists, you have your Janes Webb Telescope. Where is a picture of God and Jesus in heaven? He created the universe. God is there. He tells us that in the Bible. Times up scientists. You're done.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: James Webb Telescope: Scientist Look for Alien Saviors

Then there is this "red shift" - suggesting that the "universe" is expanding at an increasing rate.

But if the so-called "universe" were expanding then wouldn't every living being in it (and thus part of it) also be expanding "universally"? Okay, some people may be a lot fatter than they used to be, but they are mostly the same height because if they were taller you wouldn't notice. And how would you account for portion sizes getting smaller?