[Brother Temperance]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

TALK LIKE A NORMAL PERSON PLEASE!!!!!!!

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

We once had someone on here we called "Wrong Again Floyd". You are now vying for that title.

You should know that the universe begun by the big bang and that it didn't exist for an eternity: if the universe would have existed for an eternity then all energy should've been become heat (degradation of energy says that every energy becomes heat after some very long time).
That isn't the problem right now so: the universe began with the big bang.

You are confusing the Einstein mass / energy equation with Thermodynamics. With respect to thermodynamics, entropy applies only to a closed system. Scientists have not determined whether the universe is a closed or open system.

Research about the universe says that when you see the movement of the stars that they all are moving away from a certain point.

This is wrong again. The universe is expanding from the perspective of all points. That is why the red shift is seen from every direction. If you were in another galaxy you would still see the same red shift from every direction. Ever hear of the Hubble telescope? Hubble was the one that discovered the red shift and it was named in his honor.

[Brother John]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

This is wrong again. The universe is expanding from the perspective of all points. That is why the red shift is seen from every direction. If you were in another galaxy you would still see the same red shift from every direction. Ever hear of the Hubble telescope? Hubble was the one that discovered the red shift and it was named in his honor.

Well, if you trace back the expansion, in whatever direction it may be going, it renders a shrinkage.. And if things shrink towards eachother, wouldn't you get a single point (singularity) in the end (beginning)?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

Well, if you trace back the expansion, in whatever direction it may be going, it renders a shrinkage.. And if things shrink towards eachother, wouldn't you get a single point (singularity) in the end (beginning)?

So you admit that God exists?

[Brother John]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

It proves the Big Bang anyhow. Maybe the Lord created the Big Bang and in his wisdom programmed everything to go this/His way?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

It proves the Big Bang anyhow. Maybe the Lord created the Big Bang and in his wisdom programmed everything to go this/His way?

Everything coming from a singularity doesn't prove the Big Bang. There's still no explanation for what would cause a superdense blob of matter to spontaneously explode.

Creation from a single point, as described in the Bible, makes far more sense.

[Brother John]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

Everything coming from a singularity doesn't prove the Big Bang. There's still no explanation for what would cause a superdense blob of matter to spontaneously explode.

Creation from a single point, as described in the Bible, makes far more sense.

It provides a strong indication though. And then there's still the matter, where did God originate from? Because it's just shifting the problem, stating that He always was and always will be is basically the same as there suddenly being a blob of matter out of nowhere.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

It provides a strong indication though. And then there's still the matter, where did God originate from? Because it's just shifting the problem, stating that He always was and always will be is basically the same as there suddenly being a blob of matter out of nowhere.

I'm not questioning the existence of the blob of matter. I'm questioning what would cause something so very dense that light could not escape (think many orders of magnitude more dense than a black hole, with the gravitational force to match) to EXPLODE.

It's already compressed, so it's not like it could collapse upon itself and supernova like a hollow star.

So, what's the "scientific" explanation?

[Brother John]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

All I can think of is that by chance, a lepton (or quark, not much difference back then) moved a little too much to the left or right, which turned out wasn't the best thing to do, as the whole thing exploded. There are probably a heap of theories about them, but I'd have to read up. For all I know what I just typed is hogwash, in reality there's probably much more maths involved.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

Of course it's hogwash! You're obviously just making up words to try and make yourself look "smart" and "learned". It will not work! GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

All I can think of is that by chance, a lepton (or quark, not much difference back then) moved a little too much to the left or right, which turned out wasn't the best thing to do, as the whole thing exploded. There are probably a heap of theories about them, but I'd have to read up. For all I know what I just typed is hogwash, in reality there's probably much more maths involved.

Sure sounds like hogwash. One lemming moving in the wrong direction could counter that much gravitational pull? Hmm.

Also, I've seen other theories which propose that TWO superdense blobs collided.

I still don't see any reason to think that blobs colliding is any more feasible than God. Unless, of course, one desperately needs to discredit God to suit one's belief system!

[Brother John]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

I'm not mocking God, he might as well have planned it like that all along, and as for the beginning of the universe, it's actually still one of the most plausible explanations... More so than *poof* matter!
Plus, I know practically nothing about quantum physics on that level. If I wanted to act smart, I'm learned in different fields

Anyhow, the gravitational pull as we know it (Newton's mechanics, mass attracts mass) might, as other laws, not be valid on that level.
Hey, other theories even propose that two dimensions collided, and hey presto...

Excuse me if my debauchery seems offensive, I'm just posting what I hear and believe, with all nuances included of course.

[Brother Sydup]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

Sorry Pastor Ezekial for questioning your knowledge on the subject. I only wonder if the Bible is an accurate historical document. Consider this:

- Genesis contains two different creation stories. One starts at Gen 1:1 and the other starts at Gen 2:4. If you read them side by side, you will see that the order in which man, plants, animals and woman are created is different.

- Matthew 2:1 says Herod was king when Christ was born. Luke 2:2 says Quirinius was the governor of Syria when Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem for the census. Herod died in 4BC and Quirinius was not made Governor of Syria until 6AD.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

Well, if you trace back the expansion, in whatever direction it may be going, it renders a shrinkage.. And if things shrink towards eachother, wouldn't you get a single point (singularity) in the end (beginning)?

If you are going to contemplate the eternal and metaphysics, you are going to have to leave behind the orthogonal three-dimensional little minds of the great unwashed of humanity. There is the fourth dimension known as space-time. Since the universe is expanding from all perspectives, we can all claim to be the "center" of the universe. My neighbor (one of the world's top cosmologists before his untimely demise) used to describe it as like being a raisin on top of a bran muffin rising in the oven. Indeed, this is one of the problems with the "big bang" theory. It does not explain just where the "singularity" and the start of the universe's expansion is located.

There are some other problems with the "big bang" theory. It does not explain where all the matter and energy came from. Scientists today understand everything a few microseconds past the "big bang", things like the "quark soup", but are only speculating on the "singularity". The presently understood laws of physics break down beyond that point. Keep in mind here that there is a distinction between the "origins" of the universe and its "creation".

If things once really blowed up real good, then the universe would be homogeneous (and we would all be homers). This is not the case as the universe as we observe it is "clumpy". Matter is not evenly distributed everywhere and the sexes are different.

It seems that every time a gathering of people get a few pints of beer in them they start asking silly questions like why is one testicle larger than the other (and similarly, why is one bazoom larger than the other). The answer is that is why we are here. The universe is asymmetrical. There is more matter than anti-matter. The "big bang" has no answer for this.

Scientists have been busy working on these little problems and coming up with new theories (most likely under the influence of the previously mentioned celebratory fluids). Some of the latest "inflation" theories suggest that it does not take all that much matter to make a universe. One of them postulates that you could make one in your basement with as little matter as some fuzz from your navel. You might think that the resulting explosion could be used to blow up some mooselims, but that is not the case. The resulting concentrated mass would be so great that space would curve in on itself and that fuzz would simply disappear from view. Would creating a universe in your basement be like playing God? Well the Bible (KJV1611) does tell us that we are created in his image. It is possible that our universe was created in someone's basement in another universe.

[Alaric Reinner]

Re: Biblical Age of Earth

You are wrong God created the earth and you silly Baptists will go to hell and suffer for falling into the false religions that Satan as lured you in with it is sad that you have been given false hope from Satan I hope that one day you will realize what a fool you have been and convert.

God tricks the people of science for his own amusement and lets them think they have found a different path away form god to test their faith.