[Elmer G. White]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Nope. The sun is HUGE, but is much, MUCH farther from us than the Moon, while the moon is tiny and very close in astronomical terms.

Mr. Van, you testimony above is apparently all the evidence that you are able to provide us. As such, it merits unbiased assessment that, however, is disastrous to your credibility.

1. Are you an eyewitness or just channeling secondhand information? If you are an eyewitness, your testimonial might have some merit (but see also 2 Thessalonians 2:11). Still, we would have to examine your reliability as an eyewitness. Have you ever lied? Have you ever interpreted evidence erroneously? If you have, then this could be one of those occasions,. We, in contrast, have an eyewitness account that is utterly reliable as it comes directly from God who is always Truthful™ (Titus 1:2). He is our eyewitness.

Jeremiah 29:23
Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours' wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and am a witness, saith the LORD.

2. Your evidence leaks like a sieve of vanity (Isaiah 30:28). If the Sun were far away and huge, we would not be able to see how it shrinks as it circulates our disk.



As you can see, closer to the horizon the Sun appears smaller, as it is farther away. This can only take place if the difference in distance is significant in percentage and that is only possible if the Sun is small and close. The image below will explain this to the uninitiated.



In contrast to you, we have eyewitnesses who have indeed seen the horizon from high above, close to the Firmament (Genesis 1:6). It is not curved, as the photograph below proves without any doubt.



Finally, the Sun cannot be very far away as it is often seen in front of cloud formations, as follows:



As explained below, even if secular evidence did not prove the Sun's small size and location in the Earth's vicinity, the Bible would still take precedence, as the contradictory observations are obviously delusions, tests by God to determine which people are eligible to eternal Life in Heaven!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I am always so amazed that common sense seems to elude so many people. There are indisputable facts, that even the simplest person can ascertain yet they hold fast to words in a book they read. Words put in such a manner that if questioned, they are often ridiculed as being a fool, so they steadfastly, stick to the story, no matter how obviously implausible.
A month back, I was driving back from Vegas in the desert. 100 miles dead straight, flat and pitch black. I was driving along in my whaletail at about 130 listen to a CD of 'Jesus Hold me to your Bosom'. After a scant fifteen minutes, one of those hippy Prius came the other direction. I never saw the headlights of the queercar until it was five minutes away. Five minutes was less than 20 miles. If I could not see the bright headlights of a car in a pitch black night at 20 miles, how could anyone see the sun if it were millions of miles away?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Nope. The sun is HUGE, but is much, MUCH farther from us than the Moon, while the moon is tiny and very close in astronomical terms.

Let me guess, they told you that in PUBLIC SCHOOL.

And you believed them!

[Bruhman73638]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Dumbass, DID YOU READ THE MATHEMATICAL PROOF PASTOR POSTED? Can you refute it?

THEN SHUT UP, ignorant twit!

Let me break it down, because you have a brain the size of a peanut, first of all, hes right, it is 94 million miles away, the reason it's big in the sky is because it's over 400 times the size of earth, and not 500 miles and small, jeez, pick up an astronomy book once in a while, and don't try and back up your "reason", because you have already lost, give up.

- Your Friendly Scientist

[Didymus Much]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

- Your Friendly Scientist

You have no claim to that title, if all you're offering is assertions (oh, and insults).

[Bruhman73638]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You have no claim to that title, if all you're offering is assertions (oh, and insults).

I can claim that title when ever I want, and you can't do anything about it, you have no power over me.


-Your Humble Scientist

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

the reason it's big in the sky is because it's over 400 times the size of earth

1. The sun is not big in the sky. It's the same size as the moon.

2. I don't know what astrologist you've been seeing but even by their own standard, 400 is way off. It's very easy to look up. If you did that, this is what you'd find:

EARTH . . 1,083,206,916,846 km³
SUN . . . . 1,412,000,000,000,000,000 km³

3. Simple arithmetic is all that's required, you can probably do it on your device in about 5 seconds.

1,412,000,000,000,000,000 ÷ 1,083,206,916,846 ≈ 1,303,536¾

4. Scientists therefore claim the sun is One million Three hundred and three thousand Five hundred and thirty-six times bigger than the earth.

5. Concerning distances, I can recommend you give up the tarot cards, stop using the ouija board as a calculator and have a look at some decent research from Jack O'Fagan. You will notice he includes EVIDENCE.

https://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64656

[handmaiden]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I can claim that title when ever I want, and you can't do anything about it, you have no power over me.


-Your Humble Scientist

I see very little humility in you. If you even grasped the concept, you would show a little more respect in your dealings with others.


However, you have no respect for anyone, do you? You are one of the most self-important posters that I have ever encountered.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

I thought we were making progress; it's so disappointing when all our hard work is rejected. God doesn't want anyone to be lost but they get on this "horoscopes" stuff and "crystals" even claiming there's special magic energy flowing between the planets, whatever that means, which is supposed to heal them by also passing through lumps of amethyst and, presumably, trees.

ADAIAH BOSCATH

That's how she'd be styled today and back in the 640's BC there were plenty of opportunities to go yarn bombing. This appalling waste of resources that could have been used to clothe a starving baby is outright idolatry. After the celestial energy passes through stars and planets and amethysts it comes up through the trees, empowering yarn bombs to become magic shawls for witches. Such groves of wickedness were not unknown to Adaiah Boscath and she taught her daughter wisely.

Jedidah, the daughter, must have been invited. “Yo, Jeddy, coming along to this evening's debauch? They've got some new drums!” and we don't need to elaborate what happens during sunset with throbbing drumbeats, glistening bodies prancing around like demented gibbons, “Whoooops! Didn't see you there ..you weren't hiding were you?” [looks embarrassed] "Why don't you come over here into this coppice with me?” and so on. That was never what God intended when He made the sun as Jedidah well knew. She stayed home helping Adaiah Boscath, learning important lessons for bringing up her son.

II Kings 22:1; 23:5, 7, 14 Josiah was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty and one years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Jedidah, the daughter of Adaiah of Boscath … And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven … And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove … And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, and filled their places with the bones of men.

That's what happened when people misconstrued God's purpose for the sun; what else they dreamed up is anyone's guess and it's something of a moot point considering its distance because there's enough current nonsense to keep everyone busy refuting lies.

And lies they have always been. Let's say it began when Thales and Pythagoras invented triangles, approximately the same time as Josiah. This would be like Queen Victoria seeing the beginning of steam railways [1825] but not the later development [1914] of diesel. They were still trains, obviously, and they were still triangles. In that way, adjacent pagan ideas began to challenge God – and there were plenty of cross-cultural influences if all those imported goddesses are any indication. One such affront concerns celestial distances.

Nothing contradicting God can ever be true. This seems such a simple principle, that the Creator would know all about universes He created, which secular minds are unable to grasp. They come in with so-called science that they haven't even read trying to refute God but let's face it, once He's been rejected how can understanding of what passes for knowledge ever lead to wisdom? Adaiah Boscath knew that, her daughter knew that too. I'm sure growing up that Josiah knew both of them and that they encouraged him to understand God. And when his opportunity came he showed true wisdom, the source of his humility, as his actions show.



1825 • STEAM https://teesvalleymuseums.org/theme/...ngton-railway/
1914 • DIESEL https://www.derbysulzers.com/prussia.html

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

1. The sun is not big in the sky. It's the same size as the moon.

2. I don't know what astrologist you've been seeing but even by their own standard, 400 is way off. It's very easy to look up. If you did that, this is what you'd find:

EARTH . . 1,083,206,916,846 km³
SUN . . . . 1,412,000,000,000,000,000 km³

3. Simple arithmetic is all that's required, you can probably do it on your device in about 5 seconds.

1,412,000,000,000,000,000 ÷ 1,083,206,916,846 ≈ 1,303,536¾

4. Scientists therefore claim the sun is One million Three hundred and three thousand Five hundred and thirty-six times bigger than the earth.

Sister I can confirm this is accurate from my own independent measurements of the velocity. They both travel at about the same speed through the sky so if the Sun was in an orbit so much farther away it would be traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light. It would release Cerenkov radiation as it circled the Earth in a gravitational lock, losing energy and descending into the ocean within a matter of days. This obviously has not happened.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I may not be as educated as many a religious PhD doctor is but some things are just plain obvious
A half dollar is larger than a penny. The Earth is huge, the sun, a small dot in the sky, like a light bulb.
If the sun were millions of miles away, you'd never see it. Think of all the cars driving around at night. Do you see all the headlights? You only see those that are close to you. Logic (a science word) therefore states the sun too, must be close. Driving back from Vegas at night, I 'might' see a car lights 50 miles out. I have to figure the sun is more powerful than that, more like a stadium light. So an educated theory (more sciencey talk) is that the sun is 100 to 200 miles away.
Occams Razor states the simplest answer is usually the correct one. I put forth to anyone to be more simple.
God made things to be simple and comforting for us. He gives us light to work in and dark to sleep with.

[Iplaytf2]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

1. The sun is not big in the sky. It's the same size as the moon.

2. I don't know what astrologist you've been seeing but even by their own standard, 400 is way off. It's very easy to look up. If you did that, this is what you'd find:

EARTH . . 1,083,206,916,846 km³
SUN . . . . 1,412,000,000,000,000,000 km³

3. Simple arithmetic is all that's required, you can probably do it on your device in about 5 seconds.

1,412,000,000,000,000,000 ÷ 1,083,206,916,846 ≈ 1,303,536¾

4. Scientists therefore claim the sun is One million Three hundred and three thousand Five hundred and thirty-six times bigger than the earth.

5. Concerning distances, I can recommend you give up the tarot cards, stop using the ouija board as a calculator and have a look at some decent research from Jack O'Fagan. You will notice he includes EVIDENCE.

https://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64656

https://youtu.be/sbgjdTQHZXY

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

https://youtu.be/sbgjdTQHZXY

As has already been pointed out, objects of the same size can pass in front of one another at the same distance but when one is millions of miles more distant the problem of velocity arises. God, however, has not told us the exact distance of The Firmament so it could be millions of miles or millions of feet. The effect would be the same, viewed from here.

The model using painted balls could be done under my lemon tree on a windy day with one lemon passing by another and more importantly would have worked just the same on any fruit tree before the sun or moon existed! I'm not sure whether they were old enough to have lemons though but probably they were. So lemons or leaves (or apples or figs) could pass by one another and the idea of suns and moons would never occur to anyone, because neither of them existed!

You're putting the cart before the horse.

[Roland]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Nice swing. That one went far. How many of the audience went to Heaven or Hell?

[Iplaytf2]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

1. The sun is not big in the sky. It's the same size as the moon.

2. I don't know what astrologist you've been seeing but even by their own standard, 400 is way off. It's very easy to look up. If you did that, this is what you'd find:

EARTH . . 1,083,206,916,846 km³
SUN . . . . 1,412,000,000,000,000,000 km³

3. Simple arithmetic is all that's required, you can probably do it on your device in about 5 seconds.

1,412,000,000,000,000,000 ÷ 1,083,206,916,846 ≈ 1,303,536¾

4. Scientists therefore claim the sun is One million Three hundred and three thousand Five hundred and thirty-six times bigger than the earth.

5. Concerning distances, I can recommend you give up the tarot cards, stop using the ouija board as a calculator and have a look at some decent research from Jack O'Fagan. You will notice he includes EVIDENCE.

https://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64656

Yes, it does appear the same size, only because it's 400x away as well.