Have we lost what was once common knowledge?

[Just James]

Dear friends, I believe that humanity has lost what was once considered common knowledge.

My reasoning is thus:

- Noah had two of every creature aboard the Ark. He was able to keep termites and woodworm from eating the ark, lions from eating zebra and foxes from eating chickens. The bible is not normally shy about revealing God's glory, the only remaining explanation is that Noah knew a great deal more about care of animals than we do today.

- As far as I can tell (Gen. 7:4, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."), Noah had seven days to get a pair of all animals aboard the ark.

This would be a pretty tall order for anyone today even with aeroplanes and motor vehicles - which as far as we know did not exist in Noah's day.

Yet there is no mention of Noah having received miraculous help in achieving any of this - curious for a book which is not normally reticent in announcing God's miraculous achievements.

It follows that in the time of Noah, none of this would have been considered particularly troublesome. Perhaps all the animals lived closer together?

[Ahimaaz Smith]

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It follows that in the time of Noah, none of this would have been considered particularly troublesome. Perhaps all the animals lived closer together?

Interesting hypothesis. It's hard to answer your question directly, since God didn't think it was important enough to bother explaining how Noah managed to get the animals together (why should He bother, since it's never going to happen again?).

I don't think that we can totally exclude supernatural assistance from the Lord, but I certainly can't say that it was needed, either. The good folks at the Landover Baptist Creation Science Museum and Children's Arcade have shown that Noah's family, with the assistance of flying dinosaurs (pterodactyls), easily would have had the ability to herd the animals from around the world onto the ark, so that's the prevailing theory.

[Talitha]

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Dear friends, I believe that humanity has lost what was once considered common knowledge.
blah blah blah

You seem to be here just to mock our beliefs friend.
You also seem very confused about what Creation Science tells us about the flood.
For instance, Noah did not have to fetch the animals himself. The animals came to him:

Genesis 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.

God is watching you friend. Your mocking will be noted down and used as evidence against you when you apply for your Salvation.


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[Just James]

Re: Have we lost what was once common knowledge?

You seem to be here just to mock our beliefs friend.
You also seem very confused about what Creation Science tells us about the flood.

This is entirely possible, and hence I am seeking guidance and asking in the hope of being guided by those wiser than myself. For what it's worth, I am quite happy to take what is said in the Bible as being the True Word of God - but as far as I can gather, much of what is said can only make sense if at some point we as imperfect humans have lost what was once commonly known. 1 Corinthians 13, verses 9-10: "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

For instance, Noah did not have to fetch the animals himself. The animals came to him:

Genesis 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.

Note "come to you to keep them alive". I can't find any mention as to how one is expected to keep a pair of zebra alive when there's a couple of lions next door. Even with Noah feeding them well, I suspect that under most normal circumstances their instincts would take control.

Therefore, either our Lord worked some sort of miracle (quite possible), Noah was a very talented zookeeper or lions become remarkably tame, peaceful creatures once you get them aboard an ark built under divine instruction.

I have never tried to get a lion aboard an ark - let alone received divine instruction to build one. I therefore couldn't comment on this.

I have contacted my local zoo, and they advised me that they would consider it grossly irresponsible to put lions anywhere near zebra when you're trying to keep zebra alive in captivity. Perhaps Noah knew something that they don't?

[Talitha]

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This is entirely possible, and hence I am seeking guidance and asking in the hope of being guided by those wiser than myself. For what it's worth, I am quite happy to take what is said in the Bible as being the True Word of God - but as far as I can gather, much of what is said can only make sense if at some point we as imperfect humans have lost what was once commonly known. 1 Corinthians 13, verses 9-10: "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."



Note "come to you to keep them alive". I can't find any mention as to how one is expected to keep a pair of zebra alive when there's a couple of lions next door. Even with Noah feeding them well, I suspect that under most normal circumstances their instincts would take control.

Therefore, either our Lord worked some sort of miracle (quite possible), Noah was a very talented zookeeper or lions become remarkably tame, peaceful creatures once you get them aboard an ark built under divine instruction.

I have never tried to get a lion aboard an ark - let alone received divine instruction to build one. I therefore couldn't comment on this.

I have contacted my local zoo, and they advised me that they would consider it grossly irresponsible to put lions anywhere near zebra when you're trying to keep zebra alive in captivity. Perhaps Noah knew something that they don't?

See!! There you go again.
Does it say that Lions were right next to Zebra?
I think not!!!

Also, What happens to Animals during bad weather?
Many animals sleep, hibernate, or become very inactive during bad weather.

You see the logic when you open your mind to Jesus Christ.

[bluefire]

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Meh.. as much as i have issues with the flood story... noah probably built walls between animals sections... you know since he built the whole boat anyway.

[JennyD]

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Note "come to you to keep them alive". I can't find any mention as to how one is expected to keep a pair of zebra alive when there's a couple of lions next door. Even with Noah feeding them well, I suspect that under most normal circumstances their instincts would take control.

Therefore, either our Lord worked some sort of miracle (quite possible), Noah was a very talented zookeeper or lions become remarkably tame, peaceful creatures once you get them aboard an ark built under divine instruction.

Our modern zookeepers must be geniuses, in your mind.

They build magical devices called cages, which separate mountain lions from otters, for example, and which prevent the rats from attacking and eating the elephants.

Are such basic concepts as pens, stalls, and cages beyond your meager imaginative powers, friend?

[Mistress Cookie]

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I can't find any mention as to how one is expected to keep a pair of zebra alive when there's a couple of lions next door. Even with Noah feeding them well, I suspect that under most normal circumstances their instincts would take control.

In times of struggle, diverse groups can set aside their differences and come together for the common good. History has proved this time and again.

It's also possible that when the animals were not hibernating, Noah and his family played games with them to keep their minds occupied, so they WOULDN'T attack (either them, or the other animals). There might have been prizes for Best Mid-Morning Behavior By A Caribou, and the like.

Or, if they were sea sick when they weren't hibernating, they surely didn't feel like chasing each other. (Even humans don't feel like eating much when they're that sick.)

Remember, too, it was the first time many of these animals (aside from dogs and cats and parakeets, of course) had even BEEN with humans, and so they probably wanted to be on their best behavior, hoping they would get adopted and converted and introduced to God.

We can't just rush to judgment.

[Just James]

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You raise some interesting ideas, Mistress Cookie.

However, it seems that my thoughts have caused some offence - perhaps it would be better if I were to seek salvation in the Christian Help Forum and the Paypal button...

[Mistress Cookie]

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it seems that my thoughts have caused some offence - perhaps it would be better if I were to seek salvation in the Christian Help Forum and the Paypal button...

What a precious and Godly idea!

If you get in the habit of doing this every Friday (on payday) then it becomes second nature, and you don't have to worry about going too far astray.

I think the Pastors can even arrange automatic deductions for you, if you'd like me to look into it.

[Just James]

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I think the Pastors can even arrange automatic deductions for you, if you'd like me to look into it.

Would you mind?

[Mistress Cookie]

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Would you mind?

Of course not, friend. True Christians™ are always happy to help a little lost lamb such as yourself.

In fact, since They see all and know all, They may have begun the deductions already

PRAISE!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Just have all your financial paperwork in order when you hit the "Donate" button at the bottom of this screen. Our high-priced joo accountants will take care of the rest.

And remember, it's 10% of your GROSS INCOME, not net. Don't try and jip Jesus.

That being said, no amount of tithing will induce God to forgive God-mockery. We can smell snarky trolls a mile away, and we are always on the lookout for satan's puppets. The Bible foretold us of you people.

Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

So, aside from your blasphemous name, what ungodly lusts do you walk after, boy?

[Just James]

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So, aside from your blasphemous name, what ungodly lusts do you walk after, boy?

None that I am aware of - I seek only Salvation and, maybe, one day to be saved and become a True Christian ™

[William Snodgrass]

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None that I am aware of - I seek only Salvation and, maybe, one day to be saved and become a True Christian ™

They're back-logged for years, boy. I'd start your application for Salvation right now.