[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Science and Religion

How many times? I need more proof than a book which could have been written by anyone; it could have been written by God, but it could have been writen by Peter Pan.

Which part of, more proof than the 'evidence' which one book gives you, do you not understand?

you may need to sound it out.

Proof of God can be seen HERE. Now shut up and REPENT!

[Cranky Peter]

Re: Science and Religion

By not being stubborn, atheistic, retards. Try reading your Bible instead of your so-called "intellectual" books. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth." What part of that verse are you struggling with? You may need to sound it out.

How many times? I need more proof than a book which could have been written by anyone; it could have been written by God, but it could have been writen by Peter Pan.

Which part of, more proof than the 'evidence' which one book gives you, do you not understand?

you may need to sound it out.

[barneyhilliard]

Re: Science and Religion

How then did you eliminate any other possiblities?

By not being stubborn, atheistic, retards. Try reading your Bible instead of your so-called "intellectual" books. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth." What part of that verse are you struggling with? You may need to sound it out.

[Bobby-Joe]

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I wished to add a question to this thread. Perhaps it may have been already answered. Perhaps not. However, I did think about this as I read some things on this thread. I understand you believe the KJV 1611 bible to be the true and correct bible. However, isn't it true that it is a translation of the earlier Hebrew bible? If this is not the case, then that is fine. But English as we know it didn't exist to be written several hundred years ago. Things have been translated into english from other languages. So, if this is true, did God write this book himself, but not the earlier Hebrew book? I thank you for answering this question as I was just being a bit curious about it.

The KJV1611 was translated into American-English from a 9th Century Greek manuscript. Hebrew has nothing to do with The Bible and not even widely spoken in Judah in the time of Jesus earthly ministry. Aramaic was the language commonly spoken then.

So far, this thread has been rather interesting to read. I'm not going to try debating much of what's been said, though, I would like to try clarifying a couple things.

Few Evolutionists believe we 'came from monkeys'. It's a misunderstanding of what has been said in the past. It 'is', however, believed according to the evolutionary theory, that we evolved from a common ancestor. And even though we are more intelligent, monkeys are still on this planet because they have a niche to survive in. Many creatures adapt as we do.

According to their “theory” common ancestor for modern apes and humans is an archaic ape called “Africanus ProConcilus”. This archaic evolved from a archaic monkey. So that means we came from monkeys, as absurd as that sounds.

[jessev]

Re: Science and Religion

I wished to add a question to this thread. Perhaps it may have been already answered. Perhaps not. However, I did think about this as I read some things on this thread. I understand you believe the KJV 1611 bible to be the true and correct bible. However, isn't it true that it is a translation of the earlier Hebrew bible? If this is not the case, then that is fine. But English as we know it didn't exist to be written several hundred years ago. Things have been translated into english from other languages. So, if this is true, did God write this book himself, but not the earlier Hebrew book? I thank you for answering this question as I was just being a bit curious about it.

So far, this thread has been rather interesting to read. I'm not going to try debating much of what's been said, though, I would like to try clarifying a couple things.

Few Evolutionists believe we 'came from monkeys'. It's a misunderstanding of what has been said in the past. It 'is', however, believed according to the evolutionary theory, that we evolved from a common ancestor. And even though we are more intelligent, monkeys are still on this planet because they have a niche to survive in. Many creatures adapt as we do.

That brings me to another thing. There was much talk about Darwin's theory of Natural Selection. It's true that he didn't explain evolution. That wasn't his intent. He just explained natural selection. Partially because genetics were not at all known by that time. It was simply the observation of phenotypic traits and surmising a way how this all worked from generation to generation.

It's also true that there are several theories about how life began. And it's true that it's a difficult thing to prove because trying to recreate early Earth conditions is not particularly easy. While through the electrolysis of particular molecules, we can create particular strings of proteins and other bio-molecules, it hasn't shown yet that those could be potential for future capability of life. I imagine that will remain a debate for a while.

I appreciate the help thus far.

[JennyD]

Re: Science and Religion

Mr. Jackkkethicspeter, if you are serious in seeking quotes, I must strongly recommend Brother Bathfire's comments HERE, as he helps guide a would-be Christian through his doubts:

Evilution: what bit of the following do you not understand?

Ge:1:24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Ge:1:30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Now we are not so stupid as to think that every dog, cat and rabbit should look the same, God has allowed for certain fashions to decorate the animal world for our pleasure. Large, small, medium-sized, black, white and spotted, etc. Nor do we say that dinosaurs roam the earth – they went out with the Flood. Nor do we say that certain species might not have changed a little in the 6,000 years since the beginning of Creation. This is micro-evolution (see animals listed above) or punctuated smiting.

I hope this helps.

You may also wish to read THIS THREAD.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Science and Religion

[...] its you who don't know how the world was created. I do!

"The sons of Bor then carried Ymir to the middle of Ginnungagap and made the world from him. From his blood they made the sea and the lakes; from his flesh the earth; from his hair the trees; and from his bones the mountains. They made rocks and pebbles from his teeth and jaws and those bones that were broken"[...]

I'm at a loss to understand how anyone could believe such an obviously fraudulent story created by simplistic peasants devoid of any biblically scientific understanding. Frankly it's laughable and you should re-examine your ideas - in other, less tolerant societies, you'd be locked up; in the coming theocracy, I think stoning would be lienient.

[Star Finder]

Re: Science and Religion

Look Petey. I called you a homo because you type like a homo! Is that clear enough for you?

and its you who don't know how the world was created. I do!

"The sons of Bor then carried Ymir to the middle of Ginnungagap and made the world from him. From his blood they made the sea and the lakes; from his flesh the earth; from his hair the trees; and from his bones the mountains. They made rocks and pebbles from his teeth and jaws and those bones that were broken"

It was created by the sons fo Bor and if you can't understand that I sure you will be burried under tons of snow and forgotten.

Put that in your dumb paper! (not even good for wiping butt as is nothing but electrons and not real paper.)

[Nobar King]

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THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH!!!

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Science and Religion

ETHICSTUDENT:



If you cannot debate your convictions with me in a structured debate, then you are not secure in them. Just Blindly yelling that the bible is the truth does not make your convictions strong, but if you can prove to me why it is true, or argue the reasons why it should be, then you are secure in your faith.

It doesnt have to be a silly paper, it is just that no-one here has convinced me well enough in order to turn my bias from Evolution to Creationism.

No one is Yelling that the Bible is Truth, but the fact is it IS the Truth. There is NO debating it. If you need to debate you are unsaved trash. God will Damn you to Hell. You want proof? All you need to do is get a KJV1611 and read it. You can either accept it, let the Blood of Jesus Save you, and become a member of The Landover Baptist Chrurh, or you can go to Hell. It is NOT up to anyone here to make an argument to convince you. It is up to YOU to ask Jesus' forgiveness. All your snerty desire to debate will not get you into heaven. There is not one True Christian here that is not secure in his or her beliefs. If you want to "debate" go back to your Godless school and debate the other unsaved trash. It won't do you any good. You are damned to Hell unless you follow the guidances offered here on God's own forum.

You can put THAT in your silly paper.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Cranky Peter]

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ETHICSTUDENT:

You want to debate but you are too stupid to understand what the faithful here have been telling you. THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE! Everything we need to know is in the KJV1611 Bible. How's THAT for security in conviction! You on the other hand have no convictions at all. The Bible is the infallible WORD OF GOD. What part of that do you not understand? For some one that is snerty enought to want to come across as educated, you're pretty stupid. You'd better serve yourself by reading the Bible and understand that every single word of it is true. Jesus died to save your soul. You can either accept HIM as your Savior or end up in HELL!

Put THAT is your silly paper.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

If you cannot debate your convictions with me in a structured debate, then you are not secure in them. Just Blindly yelling that the bible is the truth does not make your convictions strong, but if you can prove to me why it is true, or argue the reasons why it should be, then you are secure in your faith.

It doesnt have to be a silly paper, it is just that no-one here has convinced me well enough in order to turn my bias from Evolution to Creationism.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Science and Religion

Thank you, all of you who helped me. I feel sorry for those of you who feel so insecure in your convictions that you cannot debate them with me.

I will still post the final draft of my work on this thread.

You want to debate but you are too stupid to understand what the faithful here have been telling you. THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE! Everything we need to know is in the KJV1611 Bible. How's THAT for security in conviction! You on the other hand have no convictions at all. The Bible is the infallible WORD OF GOD. What part of that do you not understand? For some one that is snerty enought to want to come across as educated, you're pretty stupid. You'd better serve yourself by reading the Bible and understand that every single word of it is true. Jesus died to save your soul. You can either accept HIM as your Savior or end up in HELL!

Put THAT is your silly paper.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Cranky Peter]

Re: Science and Religion

ETHICSTUDENT:

Im sorry you all think that i am trying to make you into some kind of joke.

I detest Dawkins and Wilson etc because their books are just mediums through which to spout their own opinions, rather than give a detailed study of the subject.

My point 'Mr Smarty Farty', was that if you draw one line with only 2 points, if one of the points is wrong, your line is wrong, whereas if you draw 3, you can be sure that the line is correct. This is basic maths.

It is interesting that most of you were civil towards me before he joined the thread; sudenly because he makes up a fake quote about me, you all belive that i am making a joke.

As for the latin, Nobar kindly picked me up on a spelling error; it doesnt mean that i am gay, thank you.

Also Nobar, i belive that a man of your intellect should realise that i wont be ripping my essay verbatim of of this website- how could i, that would hardly be objective. Quoting philosophers and theologians is perfectly acceptable, but it seems that the only theologian here with a position in the church can only say that his BENEVOLENT god jsut randomly want people to go to hell.

I hope that, if you take anything from this, you will realise the reason why you are made into pariahs in the press; you cannot be civil to people with conflicting beliefs to yours; i can get on fine with muslims, hindus, gay, straight, anyone- i might not like what they stand for, but i can at least talk to them without thinking that they will twist my words and make me look stupid.

You might think that i am an 'Atheist God -Mocker', but i have tried very hard to not offend you on this website, considering i am (was?) a guest in your religious website. I am under no illusion that you would grant me the same respect on an Atheist forum.

No-one but the examiner and my teacher would ever see this essay- it would not have been in my interest to make you look stupid, i was just trying to find Creationist opinions from people who are not 300 years old, like the christian philosophers i can quote from today.

I hope that your twisted opinions of me, Star Finder, help to boost your already poor rating with this site. I find it ironic that he has a worse rating than me, but is not banned.

Whilst i understand that, for most of the time, you are 'preaching to the converted' in Landover, surely you must realise the importance of debate, if only to further your own ideas.

This thread had been achiveing so much- i felt that, through the contributions by JennyD, Nobar, and, to an extent, Bathfire, i was starting to collect relevant information and opinions, and my personal feelings about extremistic christians were beggining to mellow. Im afraid that Star Finder, and people like him, are the people who are making Creationists look stupid.

I feel that my treatment here was unjustified; i am not the worst atheist on this formum by no means, and i did not make you, or ask you at all to question your faith.

Thank you, all of you who helped me. I feel sorry for those of you who feel so insecure in your convictions that you cannot debate them with me.

I will still post the final draft of my work on this thread.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Science and Religion

Why are some people just destined to burn in Hell?

Because God wants it that way! Glory!!

"God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation." -- Jude 4

[Once was lost]

Re: Science and Religion

Why are some people just destined to burn in Hell?