[ETHICSTUDENT]

Re: Science and Religion

Ge:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[…]
Re:22:21: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I think that sums it all up. OK, stuff happens in the middle and you need to read an understand that bit. However, the advantage is that once you do understand it all, then there is no reason to know anything else.

Did you look those up, or do you know them off the top of your head?
One of the major problems for me is having to find bible quotes to back up the opinions of people; would you happen to know any that specifically say that Evolution is incorrect? Or any that may suggest otherwise?

Thank you for giving me your knowledge of the scripture, it is invaluble, and i know that you hold the bible in the highest regard, but what other proof do you have?

Whenever i re-read these posts they all sound so patronising, i asure you that they are not designed to be, and i hope that i take nothing away from your holy book when i ask for alternative proofs.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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Here's some advice for you, Mr. Jackkkkkkkassss Part II:

If you want to ask serious questions of us, define your questions and ask them. Don't simply ask, "what are your beliefs"?

We're Christians. We believe what the Bible says. If you want to know what we believe, try starting with Genesis.

Read the Creation Science section. We're not here to do your homework for you.

Also, learn how to spell "atheist". Look at the etymology of the word. "A- theist", having no gods. Not "athi- est", or the "most athi", whatever that would mean.

I do understand the etymology of the word, from the greek, theos. Unfortuantely my typing doesn't.

As i said before in this thread, I can find out what you belive, and perhaps why you belive it, from reading the bible. I, however, am not passionate about the bible [i dont mean that in a disrespectful way], so i would like to add the fire that is in your belief to the passion that is my acceptance.

Also, i dont really understand your first comment, but thank you for helping me.

[JennyD]

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Here's some advice for you, Mr. Jackkkkkkkassss Part II:

If you want to ask serious questions of us, define your questions and ask them. Don't simply ask, "what are your beliefs"?

We're Christians. We believe what the Bible says. If you want to know what we believe, try starting with Genesis.

Read the Creation Science section. We're not here to do your homework for you.

Also, learn how to spell "atheist". Look at the etymology of the word. "A- theist", having no gods. Not "athi- est", or the "most athi", whatever that would mean.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Science and Religion

Ge:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[…]
Re:22:21: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I think that sums it all up. OK, stuff happens in the middle and you need to read an understand that bit. However, the advantage is that once you do understand it all, then there is no reason to know anything else.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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I see where this is going. We've had this argument before with the atheists.

Estudent: How much information do you need for this side of your argument? Is it only going to be a paragraph or a page?

Thank you Nobar, i was begining to see the start of the slippery slope.

I wont be sectioning my work into a paragraph on Creationism, i will be using your opninions throughout my work. Please dont think of this as just giving me enough information to do my report, use it as a portal through which to explain the basis of your faith to anyone who reads it, and then i will take any information i feel relevant and use it.

By the way, i feel honoured that my thread has achived bold status. wow.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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and i am not questioning that, nor would i have any right to question it.

But as i said in my previous post and my origional post, i need some sort of proof or opinion with which to counter the proofs and opinions of Evolution.

Say, for instance, that a TV crew came to [Landover?] you house, and asked you to explain Creationism to them, so that they could show the video to school children, how would you.

how would you build on, 'i have faith'?

thanks.

[Nobar King]

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I see where this is going. We've had this argument before with the atheists.

Estudent: How much information do you need for this side of your argument? Is it only going to be a paragraph or a page?

[Talitha]

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I don't need further proof.
I have Faith.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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Of course God exists. If God doesn't exist then how could he have written The Bible?
The Bible is real. I have one here, therefore God is real

Your logic, of course, makes perfect sense to a believer, and, to some extent, a 'virtual agnostic'

please forgive me for prying further, it is only for academic reasons, but, consider for a moment that God did not write the bible, that some other hand wrote the bible.

What other proof would you have for God?
As i previously mentioned, what 2 other points on the graph do you have, to make sure that your 1st point is not wrong?

thank you, however, for taking an interest in my thread, i know that many other people would read that i am an athiest and would either spurn it or abuse it.

[Talitha]

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Of course God exists. If God doesn't exist then how could he have written The Bible?
The Bible is real. I have one here, therefore God is real

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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First of all, open minded atheists don't exist.
Secondly, we believe that The Bible is The Truth as dictated by God HIMself.
What more is there to know?

goodness, i dont think i will be able to keep up with so many conversations at once.

I totally agree with you, the definition of an atheist is someone who has decided that there is no God, and therefore has 'closed' their mind to Him.

Perhaps i did not make myself clear enough; although i am perhaps closed minded in my personal views, as a philosophical writer, i would hope to be open minded, a separate entity from my personal views. A sort of virtual agnostic, possibly?

Secondly, as i stated previously, i understand that almost everyone on this site is very strong in their beliefs, and i have a great respect for that, however, as previously stated, for a 'virtual agnostic', merely [forgive me, merely sounds patronising, but i cannot think of another word] saying that God wrote the bible does not prove His existence. I am not here to make you question your faith, merely [there it is again] explain it to me.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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RE: INFRACTION

Sorry, a failing not only of myself, per se, but, i am sure, the english state school system too.

[ETHICSTUDENT]

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Are you familliar with the concept of Cartesian Co-ordiantes?

If you were to draw the line X-Y, you would mark 3 points on the graph, and, when you draw the line, the line passes through each point. This ensures that you have not made a mistake, possibly marking one of the points wrong.

The same is true for the law of averages; a mean result will remove anomolous data.

Understand me then, when i say that, as an Athiest, one piece of proof is not enough; to trust one piece of proof, such as the bible, is tantamount to belief.

'Who else could do it', opens up a whole new philosophical debate; separate yourself from your individual views for a minuite, if you please, and imagine:

should someone have created the earth, why is it God? Why not Jim, or Pinnochio?

If there is one being who did create the earth, then the possibility is their for more.

I digress, going down that route will only lead to arguments already exhasted, im sure, in these forums.

But, the quesiton still stands, who else could?

the process of elimination is a very usefull method when it comes to writing or proving theories, and so being able to deduce the fact that no-one other than God could have created the earth would therefore prove his existance. How then did you eliminate any other possiblities?

[Talitha]

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First of all, open minded atheists don't exist.
Secondly, we believe that The Bible is The Truth as dictated by God HIMself.
What more is there to know?

[Nobar King]

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on what basis do you belive that?

It's written in the Bible. Plus, who else would be able to do it?