[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

What fun is there in rape, murder, and torture? God created these things, correct? So God would therefore be a sick deity.

Incorrect. God is against murder.

Also, in regard to extinctions, like dinosaurs or dodo's. Wouldn't that mean God is careless. Why would God create something only to have it become extinct?

This has been resolved here

Also, the notion of people burning in hell make you feel better?

It is neither here nor there – you were given the chance to be Saved™ and rejected it – this one’s down to you.

So therefore you would support Satan, yes? As you feel he is necessary.

God created Satan, naturally we oppose him.

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Re: Why all the hate for science?

We are commanded to hate those that hate God.

Where does the Bible say once to hate? Anybody. In the New Testament. Surely you could make a case that the book of Joshua supports genocide, but isn't the Old Testament mostly the things of Jews? Which Jesus was. And 'Love thy Neighbor' really means love only other Jews. King of Jews right? But define hate, in a biblical sense, like where can I read about hate in the bible.



Where have we broken even one of God's commandments?

Would it not be in violation of the Ten Commandments to worship Jesus?

8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,

If Jesus is God's son. Then Jesus is not God. He would be a creation of God's, but would not be God. In Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words"our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of God.
Therefore my point still stands. Worshiping Jesus is breaking a biblical principal.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

You are quoting that out of context. The complete passage, starting with John 10:23, reads as follows:
"And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."




In divinity? In a holy "Trinity"? No! They are one in PURPOSE. Just as no one shall pluck them out of Jesus' hand, so too shall no one pluck them out of God's hand.



Need more proof? Then read:


"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one."

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

What fun is there in rape, murder, and torture? God created these things, correct? So God would therefore be a sick deity. Also, in regard to extinctions, like dinosaurs or dodo's. Wouldn't that mean God is careless. Why would God create something only to have it become extinct? The answer of course, is he wouldn't, because there is no God. At least no mind-reading, miracle intervening, careless, lazy, sick freak of one.

Also, the notion of people burning in hell make you feel better? So therefore you would support Satan, yes? As you feel he is necessary. Does that mean you worship Satan, because you freely admit you like what he does?

God created everything, pal. Who else could do the job? Your pal satan can't create a thing.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

1 Kings 9:9
And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

2 Kings 22:16
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:

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Re: Why all the hate for science?

Of course He could create us all as robots who loved nothing but Him, but what fun is there in being Robots? He wanted to create us with Free Will™, so that we would have the choice between loving and worshipping Him or burning in Hell forever. Think of it as the most serious competition of all time: was there ever a competition that was worth winning if there weren't some losers to make us feel better?

What fun is there in rape, murder, and torture? God created these things, correct? So God would therefore be a sick deity. Also, in regard to extinctions, like dinosaurs or dodo's. Wouldn't that mean God is careless. Why would God create something only to have it become extinct? The answer of course, is he wouldn't, because there is no God. At least no mind-reading, miracle intervening, careless, lazy, sick freak of one.

Also, the notion of people burning in hell make you feel better? So therefore you would support Satan, yes? As you feel he is necessary. Does that mean you worship Satan, because you freely admit you like what he does?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

What have I said that is angry and hateful? You hate religion equally. You have just chosen one that you love. Do you not hate the Muslim religion, or rather, you feel superior to them, as you perceive the Bible to be the only divine truth. Also I don't worship monkeys in the same regard I don't worship gravity. Evolution and Gravity just are. If you worship Jesus, you break the ten commandments, so you hate God. You really do. Because you knowingly, and willfully break his rules.

We are commanded to hate those that hate God.

Psalm 139:19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

Where have we broken even one of God's commandments?

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

My point about God being lazy? He created the universe, but is jealous of other Gods. Therefore, he is lazy, because he doesn't settle the argument. If God only wants people to worship him, then surely, if he could create the universe, he could make all people worship him, Jesus.

Of course He could create us all as robots who loved nothing but Him, but what fun is there in being Robots? He wanted to create us with Free Will(tm), so that we would have the choice between loving and worshipping Him or burning in Hell forever. Think of it as the most serious competition of all time: was there ever a competition that was worth winning if there weren't some losers to make us feel better?

Also, I am not religious. I am a militant atheist. Much like you are a Christian. I would go so far as to say religion is evil, maybe like you would say evolution is. Only science is provable fact, while religion is imaginary. I am not trying to flame or fight. Just discuss, hopefully semi-intelligently.

First off, I am glad that you are so willing to mention that you are indeed an atheist--that will make our Department of Faith investigation go that much smoother . However, I must question why you are here? If you aren't here to admit to your filthiest sins (PM myself or Pastor Zeke with the most graphic details to ensure that you get completely forgiven in the eyes of God), then what do you expect to come of this? We've heard all sorts of atheist lies before, and that hasn't swayed our faith! I do hope that in your stay here the Love of Jesus that is just before your eyes will warm your heart and you will Welcome Him into your heart today. Truly the angels in Heaven will rejoice when you do that (and submit a healthy tithe to atone for your aforementioned sins).

As an atheist, I presume that you have an unhealthy prejudice against all Christian science. I hope that while you are here you can soften your heart and learn from the several scientists that we have on this board, not the least of which is myself. I have earned several Doctorates and certificate of accomplishments from the Landover University as well as from the Bush administration. Not to sound like a braggart, but Landover boasts the finest collection of scientific minds that this world has ever seen! We are special liasons to such fine research groups as Answers in Genesis and Institute for Creation Research -- how many so-called "top tier" schools can boast that?!

In my opinion you are relying altogether too much on your worldly wisdom; friend, you must let your prejudices go and listen to your heart and what Jesus is telling you. All heavy thinking ever got anyone was a headache and a trip to Hell; I suggest you sit back, relax, and let the Love of Jesus shine on you.

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Re: Why all the hate for science?

I wonder why it is that all you "militant atheists" are so angry and hateful all the time? What has God done to anger you? You people always want to demand answers over some perceived contradiction or absurdity in the Holy Bible, but since you don't accept God's Holy Word as truth, what do you care what it says? And if you hate God so much, why do you monkey worshiping atheists spend so much time thinking about God?

At any rate, this is not a debate site. We don't argue here. This is a Christian forum, and you are unwelcome, unless you have come to learn more about God's Plan for Salvation.

It must be tough flipping burgers for a living, waiting around for the day when Jesus finally kills you. You won't think you're so clever when satan is anally raping you down in hell for all eternity.

What have I said that is angry and hateful? You hate religion equally. You have just chosen one that you love. Do you not hate the Muslim religion, or rather, you feel superior to them, as you perceive the Bible to be the only divine truth. Also I don't worship monkeys in the same regard I don't worship gravity. Evolution and Gravity just are. If you worship Jesus, you break the ten commandments, so you hate God. You really do. Because you knowingly, and willfully break his rules.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

Also, I am not religious. I am a militant atheist. Much like you are a Christian. I would go so far as to say religion is evil, maybe like you would say evolution is. Only science is provable fact, while religion is imaginary. I am not trying to flame or fight. Just discuss, hopefully semi-intelligently.

I wonder why it is that all you "militant atheists" are so angry and hateful all the time? What has God done to anger you? You people always want to demand answers over some perceived contradiction or absurdity in the Holy Bible, but since you don't accept God's Holy Word as truth, what do you care what it says? And if you hate God so much, why do you monkey worshiping atheists spend so much time thinking about God?

At any rate, this is not a debate site. We don't argue here. This is a Christian forum, and you are unwelcome, unless you have come to learn more about God's Plan for Salvation.

It must be tough flipping burgers for a living, waiting around for the day when Jesus finally kills you. You won't think you're so clever when satan is anally raping you down in hell for all eternity.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

My point about God being lazy? He created the universe, but is jealous of other Gods. Therefore, he is lazy, because he doesn't settle the argument. If God only wants people to worship him, then surely, if he could create the universe, he could make all people worship him, Jesus.

He could, but He didn't. He wants people to find Him. He gave us free will so we can choose between Salvation(R) and eternal hellfire.

And how would He settle an argument with imaginary skydaddies? It's not like Allah really exists does he?

He gave us a great manual, the KJV1611, on how to find Him. It is our choice, our responsibility.

Also, I am not religious. I am a militant atheist. Much like you are a Christian. I would go so far as to say religion is evil, maybe like you would say evolution is. Only science is provable fact, while religion is imaginary. I am not trying to flame or fight. Just discuss, hopefully semi-intelligently.

So you hate Baby Jesus. Friend, He led you here for a reason. (and that reason is not calling him a can of diet soup ) Why don't you open your heart and listen to His sweet murmurings? He died for your sins too you know. (for three days)

Stop worshipping Darwin and Dawkins, you never know if The Lord let's you live another day.

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Re: Why all the hate for science?

Also, I am not religious. I am a militant atheist. Much like you are a Christian. I would go so far as to say religion is evil, maybe like you would say evolution is. Only science is provable fact, while religion is imaginary. I am not trying to flame or fight. Just discuss, hopefully semi-intelligently.

[flipitdave]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

My point about God being lazy? He created the universe, but is jealous of other Gods. Therefore, he is lazy, because he doesn't settle the argument. If God only wants people to worship him, then surely, if he could create the universe, he could make all people worship him, Jesus.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

You are quoting that out of context.

I most certainly do not!

1st John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1st John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

So are you saying that people born in Ireland are not born Catholic or Protestant? They are. There parents chose their faith for them. People are born Muslim. Just like you (possibly?) were born Christian. Can you say if your parents were Muslim, you wouldn't be?

You are not making sense Friend. What about a baby with a cathlyck mother and a protestant father. Would that be a prostlyck? A cathostand? Not that it would matter, as again, they are false religions.

And what about my point of God being lazy?

I must have failed to see your point. He created the heavens and the earth in a mere 6 days. Is that LAZY?

What have you done in the last six days - apart from coming here and attacking us and our beliefs?

Friend, I'm starting to wonder if you are even a Christian. What church do you attend?

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Re: Why all the hate for science?

You are quoting that out of context. The complete passage, starting with John 10:23, reads as follows:
"And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."




In divinity? In a holy "Trinity"? No! They are one in PURPOSE. Just as no one shall pluck them out of Jesus' hand, so too shall no one pluck them out of God's hand.



Need more proof? Then read:


"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one."


So are you saying that people born in Ireland are not born Catholic or Protestant? They are. There parents chose their faith for them. People are born Muslim. Just like you (possibly?) were born Christian. Can you say if your parents were Muslim, you wouldn't be? And what about my point of God being lazy?

[Wide-Open]

Re: Why all the hate for science?

Therefore my point still stands. Worshiping Jesus is breaking a biblical principal.

Whoa, good thing I didn't even mention the Holy Ghost there.

OK so how do you explain:

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Well?

They are the same, but different.

Why would God, seemingly randomly choose some people to go to hell and others not to? It's not the baby's fault they where born Muslim.

The baby isn't born a mooslimb, that's what they want you to believe. And as they are a false religion, they are obviously wrong.

He gave us free will to stop being mooslims or cathlycks or atheists. If the mooslim baby grows up and finds Jesus, he or she too can be Saved(R) GLORY! That is of course, if it hasn't blown itself up before that time.

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Re: Why all the hate for science?

There is an old Irish joke- "yeah but are you a catholic atheist, or a protestant atheist." And that is what I was talking about above. You are born into religion. If you were born in Greece long ago, you would worship Zeus, Norse-Thor, and so on. Why doesn't God just settle this argument. I've heard people say he has the power to make rocks talk. Being the creator of everything. So if God is jealous of other Gods. Then God is quite lazy, because he never does anything about it.