How does god Exist?

[Prodigal Kyle]

I know god exits (or i woudnt have found this forum), BUT if god created the univers, what created god?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: How does god Exist?

I know god exits (or i woudnt have found this forum), BUT if god created the univers, what created god?

A silly question, God has always existed.

And to which I ask:
If God didn't create the universe, then how did it come into existance?

[Prodigal Kyle]

Re: How does god Exist?

A silly question, God has always existed.

And to which I ask:
If God didn't create the universe, then how did it come into existance?

The big bang theory? It could happen.

[Talitha]

Re: How does god Exist?

The big bang theory? It could happen.

Kyle dear, Big Bang Theories are just that: Theory.
Or in the case of Atheist Homers, a Big Bang is just in their imagination.

Take my word for it, GOD CREATED everything.
God was and is always here. He watches over you ready for the day of Judgement when he decides to kill you.
If you don't believe in HIM, well you're just going to end up in the Pits of Hell.

Then you'll believe in HIM.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: How does god Exist?

The big bang theory? It could happen.

Right..
First nothing, then something coming into existance from out of nowhere, and soon exploding without a cause.. Very likely.

[Brother Samuel]

Re: How does god Exist?

I know god exits (or i woudnt have found this forum), BUT if god created the univers, what created god?

Well, this is indeed a silly question. I believe that you are a sincere seeker of the Truth™ and so I will provide you with an answer. By the way, you mispelled "univers". I will overlook your mistake this time, but at least use a spell checker in the future. The following passage can be found here.

WHO CREATED GOD?

It is easy to make an argument for God’s existence from a cosmological standpoint. As the years have gone by, a growing amount of scientific data has accumulated which negates atheistic assumptions about how matter and the cosmos came into existence and how it has arrived at its present condition. As a science teacher and public lecturer on the compatibility of belief in God and science, I have, been impressed with an increasing awareness on the part of many scientists and theologians that science and religion are symbiotic disciplines. One question which inevitably comes up in a discussion of this nature is what is the origin of God? If God created matter/energy, and designed the systems that have propelled matter into its present arrangement, who or what accomplished that for God? Why is it any more reasonable to believe that God has always “been” than it is to say that matter has always “been”? As Carl Sagan has said, “If we say that God has always been, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always been?” (Cosmos, p. 257).
From a purely scientific standpoint, it is easy to demonstrate that matter cannot be eternal in nature. The universe is expanding from what appears to be a beginning point in space/time, which appears to be a one time event. Hydrogen is the basic fuel of the cosmos, powering all stars and other energy sources in space. If the fuel of the universe has been used eternally, that fuel will eventually be depleted, but the evidence is that the cosmological gas gauge, while moving toward “empty,” is yet a long way from being there—a condition incompatible with an eternal universe. The second law of thermodynamics insists that the cosmos is moving toward a condition of disorder, sometimes referred to as “heat death.” Even in an oscillating universe, things ultimately run out of energy and “die.” All of these evidences, and several others we have not made reference to, show that matter cannot be eternal, as Dr. Sagan and his associates would like to believe. However, this does not mean that we automatically accept the hypothesis that God is the Creator. Why is it not equally invalid to suggest that God has always been?
The problem here is that many people have a mistaken concept of God. If we conceive of God as physical, anthropomorphic (like man) being, the question of God’s origin is valid. However, such a concept of God is alien to the Bible and to common sense. Consider the following descriptions of God from the Bible:

• John 4: 24
  God is a Spirit:... Matthew 16:17
  ...for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my father which is in heaven.
  Numbers 23:19
  God is not a man, that He should...;

Obviously, the descriptions and concepts of God given in these passages are that God is a spiritual entity. He exists outside of the three-dimensional, physical world in which we live. The Bible further supports this concept of God in the following passages:

• Jeremiah 23:23-24
  Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? ...Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord. 2 Chronicles 2:6
  But who is able to build a house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Him?...
  Acts 17:28
  For in Him we live, and move, and have our being;...

Not only is God described as being outside space, but He is also described as being outside of time. Consider the following:

• 2 Peter 3:8
  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Psalm 90:4
  For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
  Psalm 102:27
  But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
  Acts 1:7
  ...It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His power.

If God is a being that is unlimited in time, and if He has access to every piece of time as if it were now, the question of who created God is an invalid question. The problem is like asking a student to draw a four-sided triangle. The terminology is self-contradictory. When asked “Who or what created God?,” we are making the assumption that God was created. If God exists outside of time and space, and if He is the Creator of time and space, He obviously was not created! God began the beginning! This is why He says, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”
God created time. The statement of Genesis, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth,” is making reference to the creation of time. The reason that things like heat death, the expansion of the universe, and the depletion of hydrogen do not apply to God is because He is outside of time. God has always been. He not only began time; He will also end it. When time ends, all matter and all mankind will enter eternity—a timeless condition free of the negative things that time brings upon us now.

• 2 Peter 3:10-11
  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,... Revelation 21:4
  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

The agnostic position that there is nothing that can be said to support God’s existence that cannot be said against that existence cannot, in the opinion of the author, stand in the face of this evidence.
© John N. Clayton

The Big Bang Theory is not worth the breath it takes to say the words. No one with two brain cells to rub together would believe that. I mean really: "In the beginning there was nothing. Nothing proceeded to explode." Are you kidding?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: How does god Exist?

BS, that sounds an awful lot like Science Fiction.

God is Eternal. That's the only answer needed, not a lot of scienticious mumbo-jumbo about "God created Time, therefore there is no 'before' God" business.

[Talitha]

Re: How does god Exist?

BS, that sounds an awful lot like Science Fiction.

God is Eternal. That's the only answer needed, not a lot of scienticious mumbo-jumbo about "God created Time, therefore there is no 'before' God" business.

I agree Brother Knees.
I think Brother Samuel has been looking at the Internets too much and should be punished. I may have to go over and flush out the Demons.

[Hairy Homer]

Re: How does god Exist?

I know god exits (or i woudnt have found this forum), BUT if god created the univers, what created god?

No, you don't know that he exists, you only think that he exists.

[Hairy Homer]

Re: How does god Exist?

Well, this is indeed a silly question. I believe that you are a sincere seeker of the Truth™ and so I will provide you with an answer. By the way, you mispelled "univers". I will overlook your mistake this time, but at least use a spell checker in the future. The following passage can be found here.

The Big Bang Theory is not worth the breath it takes to say the words. No one with two brain cells to rub together would believe that. I mean really: "In the beginning there was nothing. Nothing proceeded to explode." Are you kidding?

Even if this argument held, it would simply be an argument in favour of a creator. It in no way supports the idea of the christian god or the trinity, Jesus, salvation by blood or any other chrisitian idea. Pagans or wiccans could use the same argument to support their notions of God.

But if fails miserably because it assumes that matter and energy and rather basic ideas about them are all that there is to the universe. There is evidence for much more. Some even argue that there is evidence that the universe itself is alive and sentient.

What is more, modern science accepts that there is much that happens without cause -- this is a very difficult concept for people to understand, but quantum mechanics and other advanced science provides evidence for this being the case. There is a lot more to the universe than the human mind can readily comprehend, and a lot more than science has yet discovered, but this fact doesn't require the existence of a God to explain it.

The Big Bang theory does not assume that nothing exploded. There are different notions of what happened before the big bang and that there was existence before it has been pretty thorougly established.

One idea is that the universe is continually expanding and contracting. It expands, then collapses back on itself, and explodes again, and so on and so on.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: How does god Exist?

I know god exits (or i woudnt have found this forum), BUT if god created the univers, what created god?

How?
Fair enough to say you personally believe he exists, but to claim you know as certainity, well, I'm most interested to hear how it is that you think you know.
Please do explain.

[tommy]

Re: How does god Exist?

How?
Fair enough to say you personally believe he exists, but to claim you know as certainity, well, I'm most interested to hear how it is that you think you know.
Please do explain.

Haven't you learned anything on these Godly message boards?
It says so in the Bible!

Since the argument above usually doesn't work on witches, here's another one: something cannot accidentally form from nothing. Every child knows this!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: How does god Exist?

Tommy, sweetie, I know why you and the LBC-ites think you know your god exists.

But Kyle isn't a LBC baptist, so I was interested in hearing how he is so sure.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: How does god Exist?

The Big Bang theory does not assume that nothing exploded. There are different notions of what happened before the big bang and that there was existence before it has been pretty thorougly established.

So what existed before the Big Bang? And who created the stuff that was in existence then? You see, try as you might, you just can't deny God. The whole idea is just too inherently ludicrous.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: How does god Exist?

How?
Fair enough to say you personally believe he exists, but to claim you know as certainity, well, I'm most interested to hear how it is that you think you know.
Please do explain.

What do you think created the universe then, harlot?
Do you actually believe that something can come from nothing?

So what existed before the Big Bang? And who created the stuff that was in existence then? You see, try as you might, you just can't deny God. The whole idea is just too inherently ludicrous.

Amen, Brother.