[Blod-kunst skyyddyygen]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

The only reson Britain's not lost any wars recently is because we've faithfully done everything the US told us to. Just look at Suez to see what happens when we try going it alone.

*Cough*Belgrano*Cough* Do you know what country first used poison gas against civilians? Do you know which country invented the concentration camp?

So, either you're incapable of controlling your own leaders, or Norway democratically wanted to surrender to the Nazis.
That doesn't sound very civilised or glorious to me.

What about the Philippine-American War?

Do you really think that America invented pornography? What year do you think this happened in?

Yes, that's because a crazy goth from Europe hijacked it to discuss his Nazi sympathies.

Of course. Fear of the Lord.

Because God created the universe! You could hardly call Him an absolute zero, now could you?

okay, now lets prove how stupid the american is, okay, the first people to use chemical/biological warfare were?!, the spartans!.
the people who invented concentration camps!, the egyptians!.

okay you're obviously naive, in europe democrasy means nothing, the gouvernment can still do what the hell it wants if it's willing to deal with the consequences, just like in america and every other democratic nation on the face of the planet.

civilised, yes, and how would someone like you understand that!, norway was INVADED, you see, they weree defending themselves from idiots like you who force their beliefs on other people!

[cohen avshalom]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

Because God created the universe! You could hardly call Him an absolute zero, now could you?

if god created-there is engery of creation-that is out of the regluar energy-and material-other kind-this is not could by the regular kind -in my theory i call this the 3+4 converting energy(the creating is the 4)-and also by changing state of the area-??---i dont think you will agree with my-but can i tell you-i think you hasnt the courage to dial with such idea.
do you -brother?

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
www.icarus5.com

[Brother Temperance]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

infact it is quite the contrary, we (the british, my other family tree) have not lost a war (in which we were fully commited) since 1066, which equates to 941 years.

The only reson Britain's not lost any wars recently is because we've faithfully done everything the US told us to. Just look at Suez to see what happens when we try going it alone.

never judge a book by it's cover, never assume that everything is in your face, whilst the Norweigan government gave up the people didn't, it's the same for my british ancestors, we NEVER give up!, we never surrender, and we are honourable.

*Cough*Belgrano*Cough* Do you know what country first used poison gas against civilians? Do you know which country invented the concentration camp?

have you actually investigated why the Norweigan military was over run?, why, because they were ordered to by weak minded politicians (much like your president Bush)

So, either you're incapable of controlling your own leaders, or Norway democratically wanted to surrender to the Nazis.

it was also limited to 30,000 servicemen due to war crimes from five centuries before hand, that was them slaughtering the holy roman empire.

That doesn't sound very civilised or glorious to me.

I'd just like to remind you that you have no right to comment on war until you've one a war on your own, you may believe that you have but trust me, you've never started or finished a war!.

What about the Philippine-American War?

oh yeah!, you basically started the porn industry!

Do you really think that America invented pornography? What year do you think this happened in?

wow ......wow.....
what happened here.....
i began the conversation with the science....and begining of the universe..
and the discus go very far a way....

Yes, that's because a crazy goth from Europe hijacked it to discuss his Nazi sympathies.

but i can see you dont have open mind-you dont like to think by yourself-like you are fill fear from somethink??

Of course. Fear of the Lord.

ok-why dont the universe began with complete zero-????

Because God created the universe! You could hardly call Him an absolute zero, now could you?

[cohen avshalom]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

brimstone- thank god -someone here have interesting in this subject-and you even have idea-that good.
where did you been till now???
i was looking this kind of note!!!
my theory is not the big bang--and the white hole-is only more approved that there are need-to making /creating of new material-all the time-else the structure of the universe will collapse-
from one side creation the otherside ruination.
about the time-i do not give that any inportment-if you like to see that from earth in one day-or more-or less-this is not inportment for me.
but if you take the creation and the white hole-you must get to creation-and (routine ; permanent)one-that is good with my point of view-that mean that if we will look at the past-we should reduce in size or number -of material-every stage that will be bring us to all zero parameter-so you are not contradictory my theory.
i hoop to hear from you soon.

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
www.icarus5.com

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=20

Big Problems With The Big Bang
Author: Bruce Malone
It has been demonstrated both mathematically and experimentally that time is not a constant, but is dependent on the gravitational pull at the location where time is being measured. This concept was first proposed by Albert Einstein and is called gravitational time dilation.



Numerous experiments seem to indicate that this strange concept is true. For instance, time moves 5 microseconds per year slower at the Royal Greenwich Observatory (which is located at sea level) than it does at the National Bureau of Standards in Boulder, Colorado (which is 1 mile above sea level). Atomic clocks flown around the world in different directions seem to vary by the amount predicted by Einstein’s equations. The direct result of this gravitational time dilation is that seemingly strange things happen to time near areas of space known as black holes.
A black hole is an area where matter is so concentrated that its gravity prevents even light from escaping. Indirect observations seem to indicate that several areas of our universe do indeed contain black holes. Black holes are so dense that they actually "bend" the fabric of space. In addition, time moves exceedingly slow at the boundary of the black hole. Thus, if you could move from the center of a black hole outward, while observing what was happening far away, it would appear that clocks and all natural processes were proceeding in rapid fast-forward. Although one has never been observed, Einstein’s equations also predict the existence of "white holes". Instead of collapsing inward, matter (and space itself) would expand outward from a "white hole". When matter inside the white hole moves past the boundary, the boundary begins to shrink inward. Eventually the radius shrinks to zero and the white hole disappears, leaving behind all of the matter which it originally contained. However, the first material out would have aged millions or billions of years while the last material out may only have aged a matter of days.
Dr. Russell Humphreys has proposed that this expansion of a "white hole" rather than the standard "big bang" theory is the method God used to create the universe we live in. Three effects should be apparent if this is how our universe formed. First, the expansion of space would have left a very uniform background radiation throughout the universe. Second, as space itself expanded, the light coming from stars (which formed as the matter moved out of the white hole) would be shifted toward the red end of the spectrum. Third, if the earth was close to the center of our universe, it would have been one of the last things to have emerged from the white hole. Billions of years would have elapsed for distant stars giving plenty of time for light from those stars to have reached the earth. These three observations are exactly what we find as we observe our universe!
From the moment that all the matter of the universe was created (day one of creation), until the earth emerged from near the center of the white hole (at which point stars would have appeared), it is quite mathematically feasible that only four 24-hour-days had passed on earth. Although this theory is quite controversial (and rejected out of hand by those who are committed to evolutionary development theories), this type of work demonstrates that there is not necessarily a contradiction between a six day creation and modern science.

[cohen avshalom]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

wow ......wow.....
what happened here.....
i began the conversation with the science....and begining of the universe..
and the discus go very far a way....
the true i am knowing very little a bout jesus-or christen-or what is landover baptist church-i dont know which people here(but i am thinking-they dont like other people),the true before i was entering this forum-i didnt heard a bout you.
but i can see you dont have open mind-you dont like to think by yourself-like you are fill fear from somethink??
no one answer-direct question-without speaking rudely.
ok-why dont the universe began with complete zero-????


cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
www.icarus5.com

[Joo (Quarantined)]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

Jesus clearly prefers America now. Times change mr. monkey worshiper.

That doesn't mean he didn't live there, and speak Aramaic before.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

And America wouldn't exist today without them.

And that is a stunningly pointless remark. It was the smart ones who realized what rot old Europe was and left for the one true land of Jesus.

[Shallow-izer (On Moderation)]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

And just where do you think all those long-range bombers, battle ships, invasion fleets, landing craft, ammunition, bombs, tanks, guns, oil, factories, coal, steel, aluminum, and aircraft carriers came from?

http://www.taphilo.com/history/WWII/Production-Figures-WWII.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

Even before the US entry into WW-II, there was the Lend-Lease program:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Then after the war was over generous Godly Americans developed the Marshall Plan to aid the recovery of European nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

You Europeans are some of the most arrogant, ungrateful, spineless, morally bankrupt, and feckless scum on the face of the planet. You would be doing quaint little goose steps today if it were not for the Godly United States of America - protector of freedom for the planet earth. If you are not careful, you will be soon bowing to Mecca and living under Shria law soon.

And America wouldn't exist today without them.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

industrial might!, ha, you make me laugh so much, you do realise that you were on the other side of the world!, we were fighting alone taking hits and not whinging about it, you come in for a year and a half and think you won it, you take too many liberties, and whats godly about america anywway, you're corrupt, you're murderers of your own kind, you're chaotic and oh yeah!, you basically started the porn industry!, tell what makes america so 'PURE', so 'Godly' !

And just where do you think all those long-range bombers, battle ships, invasion fleets, landing craft, ammunition, bombs, tanks, guns, oil, factories, coal, steel, aluminum, and aircraft carriers came from?

http://www.taphilo.com/history/WWII/Production-Figures-WWII.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

Even before the US entry into WW-II, there was the Lend-Lease program:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Then after the war was over generous Godly Americans developed the Marshall Plan to aid the recovery of European nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

You Europeans are some of the most arrogant, ungrateful, spineless, morally bankrupt, and feckless scum on the face of the planet. You would be doing quaint little goose steps today if it were not for the Godly United States of America - protector of freedom for the planet earth. If you are not careful, you will be soon bowing to Mecca and living under Shria law soon.

[Blod-kunst skyyddyygen]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

industrial might!, ha, you make me laugh so much, you do realise that you were on the other side of the world!, we were fighting alone taking hits and not whinging about it, you come in for a year and a half and think you won it, you take too many liberties, and whats godly about america anywway, you're corrupt, you're murderers of your own kind, you're chaotic and oh yeah!, you basically started the porn industry!, tell what makes america so 'PURE', so 'Godly' !

[Blod-kunst skyyddyygen]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

The assertion that Godly America did not emerge victorious in both World Wars is utter nonsense and a figment of you imagination. It was primarily due to America's industrial might.

Your knowledge of history is severely limited. President Roosevelt purposely exposed the US Sixth Fleet to Japanese attack as an excuse for the US to enter World War II. The Americans had broken the Japanese codes at the time and knew exactly what was going on. The mood of the country at the time was isolationist, especially after the experience of World War I. Americans could not have cared less if you Europeans listened to the Horst Wessel song or your mindless norwegian black metal music.

http://www.anesi.com/east/horstw.htm

The Americans have made many mistakes, mostly by exercising restraint. We should have used nuclear weapons in Vietnam and North Korea. And speaking of your beloved North Korean communist paradise, perhaps you would like to wake up every morning singing the praises to your beloved dictator Kim Jong Il:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74OMUpPBac

Which bring us to the present day mooselimbs and tolerating 30 years of "restraint", "negotiation" and "tolerance" of these heathens. Even your own country has experienced a dramatic increase in rape due to your mooselimb immigrants.

"Moral character" is not even on your map.

Yes spoken like a true ignorant b*****d, you do understand that i don't value you opinion and you have no understanding of life in the real world, so go home and slip into your own decadent life style which will be your grave

[Blod-kunst skyyddyygen]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

just so you know, i couldn't care less about the damned infraction, i've left my mark on this thread and the fact that you'd result to such methods proves the cowardice of the american race!.

go home little girl and cry, i shaln't loose any sleep over this, as a good bye gift for yourfutile actions i leave you with this!

I AM BETTER THAN YOU, I HATE AMERICA, I HATE AMERICANS, ALL YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU'VE DONE NOTHING IN THE LONG RUN BUT PROVE THAT YOUR FEBLE, WEAK, STUPID AND HYPOCRITICAL, I'LL BE GLAD THE NEXT TIME AN AMERICAN SOLDIER IN TORTURED, EXECUTED OR BURNT, YOU KNOW WHY, 'COS YOU RACISTS DESERVE NO BETTER.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

you bail us out, you force your morals on the rest of the world, and may i remind you that the only war you've won to date is your own civil war, something you couldn't loose, may i also remiond you about pearl harbour!, america caught completely by surprise TWO YEARS into a global conflict!.

i'm well aware of my ancestors exploits, and yes, i don't full agree with them, however i am sick and tired of america foolishly believing that they've never put a foot wrong.

and BTW, as i have said communism is a good idea, childish, yet never-the-less, a good idea, however it isn't possible due to humanity's foolish nature, however the fact that counries would attempt it shows great moral character, regardless as to whether it was just a facade.

War is part of our nature, fully embraced by many of us and we fully appreciate the fact that it brings out the best and the worst of us.

The assertion that Godly America did not emerge victorious in both World Wars is utter nonsense and a figment of you imagination. It was primarily due to America's industrial might.

Your knowledge of history is severely limited. President Roosevelt purposely exposed the US Sixth Fleet to Japanese attack as an excuse for the US to enter World War II. The Americans had broken the Japanese codes at the time and knew exactly what was going on. The mood of the country at the time was isolationist, especially after the experience of World War I. Americans could not have cared less if you Europeans listened to the Horst Wessel song or your mindless norwegian black metal music.

http://www.anesi.com/east/horstw.htm

The Americans have made many mistakes, mostly by exercising restraint. We should have used nuclear weapons in Vietnam and North Korea. And speaking of your beloved North Korean communist paradise, perhaps you would like to wake up every morning singing the praises to your beloved dictator Kim Jong Il:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74OMUpPBac

Which bring us to the present day mooselimbs and tolerating 30 years of "restraint", "negotiation" and "tolerance" of these heathens. Even your own country has experienced a dramatic increase in rape due to your mooselimb immigrants.

"Moral character" is not even on your map.

[Blod-kunst skyyddyygen]

Re: could the universe began with complete zero!

have you actually investigated why the Norweigan military was over run?, why, because they were ordered to by weak minded politicians (much like your president Bush) it was also limited to 30,000 servicemen due to war crimes from five centuries before hand, that was them slaughtering the holy roman empire.

I'd just like to remind you that you have no right to comment on war until you've one a war on your own, you may believe that you have but trust me, you've never started or finished a war (especially on your own), hell you pulled out of world war II six months before the end!.