[Robert Shayed]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

If you can walk 10,000 miles North, 10,000 miles East, 10,000 miles South, and 10,000 miles West (in that order) and end up in the EXACT same spot, then you have broken physics and proved that the earth is indeed flat.

HA! Even a fool who believes the earth is round would tell you that that's possible.

[Robert Shayed]

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Einsteinium physics

Einsteinium is a chemical element.

I have this question for all of you, have you ever seen the edge of the earth? have pictures? If I were to pick a direction and travel perfectly straight, where would I find the edge of the world? If I do find the edge, then how thick is the world? can I travel to the other side?

Or perhaps when the Bible says "four corners of the earth" they mean the corners of the land masses they were currently on?

If you tried to travel to the other "side" of the world, you would fall off.

As for traveling to the edge of the earth, others here are far better traveled than I. I'll let them answer, as they have undoubtedly more experience than I do.

What part of mathematics have you studied? Math is a HUGE subject. A PHD in math would know maybe two percent of all known math in the world. Perhaps you can show me a mathematical proof that the earth is flat?

I did.

HA! Even a fool who believes the earth is round would tell you that that's possible.

Aside from the fact that there isn't that much land, and no one could walk across the oceans, but I imagine you'll grant me that.

[Raptoer]

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To all you spherical earthers. If the Earth was a ball, going North would be uphill, going south would be downhill, east and west, flat. Now I have driven all over the US of A and that is simply not the case.

Exactly, and all rivers and streams would be flowing south. But that is not the case. Not only that, but the oceans would be pulled South as well and the entire Southern Hemisphere would be water. There would be no South America, Africa, or Australia! They would be underwater.

Again, it's a problem of defining down as well as a problem of the incorrect scales being used. In the Southern hemisphere, down is a different direction than in the Northern hemisphere. Both are correct, as down refers to the direction that the biggest gravitational pull is. North is not uphill because even though you are moving upwards on the sphere (oblong spheroid really) the direction of down keeps changing.

South is not down. North is not up. Rivers do not flow South, they flow down.

Take a ball and at a point along the surface point your finger towards the center of the ball. If the Earth was that ball, then you would be pointing down. Now pick a different spot, on the other side. Point your finger towards the center of the ball. If that ball were the Earth, it would be a different direction, yet it would still be down.

Down is not a constant direction, it is instead the direction towards the greatest gravitational pull, the center of the spheroid Earth.

Since the Earth is so big, we, as tiny humans, cannot easily sense that the Earth is not flat. If you were to take a ball and zoom WAY in, it may appear to be pretty flat, but you are still on a curved surface.

It's funny how there are mountains of evidence to support a flat earth and all of them are common-sense and able to be experienced first hand. For someone to "prove" a spherical Earth, they have to pull out arcane mathematical formulas and make up a bunch of terms.

Travel straight forever, do you fall off the earth? If yes, then earth is flat, if no, then earth does not have edges, and thus is not flat. That's pretty simple, but not particularly easy.

That's not even mentioning that just because it's simple, does not mean it's true.

[LambofChrist]

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To all you spherical earthers. If the Earth was a ball, going North would be uphill, going south would be downhill, east and west, flat. Now I have driven all over the US of A and that is simply not the case.

Amen!

[Raptoer]

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Einsteinium is a chemical element.

Whoops, attack of the spell checker. I meant general and special relativity.

I did.

Where?

HA! Even a fool who believes the earth is round would tell you that that's possible.

Well, lets check the math. I'll Assuming a spherical surface. I'm also going to pick different numbers than before, as it's hard to visualize with numbers that close to the circumference of the earth.
If the surface is a sphere, then it has a radius, a diameter, and a circumference. It also has a top and a bottom (North and South). If we are to look down from above towards the top of the ball, then moving clockwise is East, and counter clockwise is West.

There is also the plane that is perpendicular to the line connecting the north and south poles. It's the same as if you cut the spherical earth along the equator. The circle the sphere forms on this plane we will call the equatorial circle.

Move from the equator up half the distance to the pole. Now take a slice of the sphere that is perpendicular to the line connecting the north and south poles. This plane is parallel to the equatorial plane. The circle that the intersection of the plane and the sphere we will call the post-movement circle.

The radius (and thus circumference) of post-movement circle is less than the radius of the equatorial circle. We will now travel the same distance we traveled before, but in the counter-clockwise direction (east). We end up at a new point on our post-movement circle.

From this new point we travel South (down) the same amount as before. We will end up on the equatorial circle, at a point the same proportion around the circle as we went on the post-movement circle.

Now we travel the same distance West. Since we are moving along the equatorial circle, which has a bigger circumference, we will not move the same proportion around the circle. After all, we moved across maybe 2/3rds of the post-movement circle traveling our distance, but the equatorial circle is bigger. How can we move around the post-movement circle some amount, then move the same amount along a bigger circle and end up at points that are the same proportion around the circle?

We have traveled the same distance in 4 opposing directions, but not ended up on the same spot.

[Robert Shayed]

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We have traveled the same distance in 4 opposing directions, but not ended up on the same spot.

POSSIBLE, I said, not necessary. I am well aware of the implications of living on a sphere. You seem to have your existential and universal quantifiers confused.

[Raptoer]

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POSSIBLE, I said, not necessary. I am well aware of the implications of living on a sphere. You seem to have your existential and universal quantifiers confused.

The circumference of the earth (if it is indeed spherical) is approximately 26,000 miles. So I am moving about a third of the way around the earth in each direction. As long as the distance you move is even remotely close to the circumference of the sphere, then it is in fact impossible. Even on tiny travel distances you will not end up at EXACTLY the same spot. By exactly I don't mean within 10 ft, or within the precision of your cars odometer, I mean with a distance from your start point to your end point of 0.

[Robert Shayed]

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The circumference of the earth (if it is indeed spherical) is approximately 26,000 miles. So I am moving about a third of the way around the earth in each direction. As long as the distance you move is even remotely close to the circumference of the sphere, then it is in fact impossible. Even on tiny travel distances you will not end up at EXACTLY the same spot. By exactly I don't mean within 10 ft, or within the precision of your cars odometer, I mean with a distance from your start point to your end point of 0.

You aren't thinking. Your mind is closed to something that is right in front of you. I could show you, but then you'd dismiss it as but one example. The fact remains that you can do it. Are you willing to admit you're wrong, that you made a mistake?

[LambofChrist]

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Why do you hate Jesus? Eternal salvation can be yours if you would just let go of these primitive notions of a 'spherical earth'.
Goodness, next you'll be insisting that it's unethical to burn witches and beat up homers.

[Areyouhonestlyseriou]

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Argument finished.

[Lycia The Repentant]

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That's a great painting of a flat, disc shaped Earth.

[unsavedscum]

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Hi! <3

Believe me or not I've actually read this whole thread from post one and I have to say that this must be one of the most entertaining debate ever(If you can call It that) .

You so called (true) Christians claim that you yet haven't seen any reliable evidence of a spherical earth. All pictures you have bin showed or linked to Is just put aside as being manipulated with Photoshop and all mathematical equations with logical reasoning is just considered false cause you say so.

It's an obvious reason for that. The only way you would reconsider the fact that the earth isn't flat is if there where some scriptures of It in the custom made bible of yours. Even If you where launched up in space yourself you would probably blame the devil for playing tricks on your eyes.

So I ask you why even make this thread in the first place? I mean why do experiments of something that is already clear to you? Couldn't those experiments be considered as questioning of the word of God?

P.S No I wont introduce myself I'm already unsaved scum so no point.

[Daemonum Buer]

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Logically speaking. The crossbangers are right. I was flying to Tokyo one time...fwwwp, right off the edge.

Let me tell you, purgatory is hell in the springtime. Bring an umbrella, and your own toilet paper, they're animals down there.



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Try the 75 MPH truck experiment. When you safely land in the truck after jumping...consider the words "momentum" and "inertia." Don't bring the umbrella for this experiment, and end up goin' Mary Poppins on us.

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Anyone living near a large body of water can clearly see the bend in the earths surface on a clear day.

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Also, harvest moons...the big fat, low hanging moons, often colored yellow, orange, or dark red. This is caused by a horizonal parallax of light bending through the curved atmosphere then the light (being reflected off the moon from the sun) is filtered through extra layers of our atmosphere, absorbing the wide wavelength lights, those closer to the blue spectrum. This is the same reason sunsets are so pretty, fading from blue to yellow, orange, and brilliant red before disappearing.

Similar to looking at a ball through a magnifying glass, then slowly rotating the glass to be parallel to your vision. As you move towards parallel, the object you're looking at stretches and contorts. The atmosphere is doing the same thing on a much less noticable level

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None of the "experiments" prove anything. The only proof there is that could be used is the testimony of the Bible. These experiments fail to grasp basic physics priciples, and are not suited for a reasonable analysis of reality or conclusion...



Yours Truly,
Daemonum Buer

[Jesus is Lord]

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Science is constantly evolving, we get better tools to measure smaller effects, and have to change the models to account for those.

The world itself doesn't change that much so science must be wrong. The Bible has never changed and is just as right today as it was when God wrote it.

Proverbs 30:5-6 - Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

What would you name the force that pulls objects 'down' if not gravity?

Intelligent falling or intelligent pulling. God holds us on the Earth.

Aside from the fact that there isn't that much land, and no one could walk across the oceans, but I imagine you'll grant me that.

Jesus can. Matthew 14:25 - Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake.

If one has faith in the Lord he too can walk on water when Jesus invites him to. Matthew 14:28-31 - “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.” 29 “Come,” he said.
Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”
31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”

Again, it's a problem of defining down as well as a problem of the incorrect scales being used. In the Southern hemisphere, down is a different direction than in the Northern hemisphere. Both are correct, as down refers to the direction that the biggest gravitational pull is. North is not uphill because even though you are moving upwards on the sphere (oblong spheroid really) the direction of down keeps changing

So now you're saying up and down change? HA! What a joke, how can directions change?

Argument finished.

Looks like a disc to me.

[unsavedscum]

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Looks like a disc to me.

Yes indeed but isn't something wrong with that picture? Why can you only see Africa? Photoshop?