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  • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

    Originally posted by Luke1988 View Post
    Apologies if this has been answered here, But I am not trawling through hundreds of pages.

    "God's Intelligent Pulling" = Gravity. Gotcha.
    What you have said makes no sense at all. How can an object be 'nudged' and appear on the other side? The fact of the matter is, it takes roughly over 11 hours do do this flight. If this 'nudging' occurs, then surely said flight would take A LOT longer?

    And please, do not use the Bible as an answer. It is a book. How can things that were said and written down thousands of years ago still be used today as 'proof' ?
    I don't go answering all of my questions with quotes from the Qu'ran, the Tipitaka, or The hungry, hungry caterpillar. Because they are ALL stories. Not fact.

    It is a bubble of delusion. You believe that the Bible is truth. But many other faiths believe that THEIR book is truth. Do you see? You are but one of MANY faiths, all believing that they are right. I am going off topic here...

    I want to share with you the story of Pan Ku. I will let your research it yourself if you wish, but in summery, it's a theory of creation. He is born out of a cosmic egg, of which becomes the land and the sky. He himself becomes the mountains, rivers and life. Do you believe this to be true? Of course not. It's a story. Now look at the creation story in the Bible. I just leave you with a talking snake, and making a female out of a rib bone of a man. Think about it yourself WITHOUT quoting! Please.
    Typical atheist.
    You ask a question, get the answer then claim to know better. Friend, you cannot go around pulling crap out of your ass. It smells, is messy and quite frankly, it is unattractive.
    I gave you information, told you were you can get more information. We are not here to spoon feed little children their Pablum©. If need be, I can get you a link to 'Baby's First Bible' and you can read that.
    Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
    Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
    Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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    • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

      Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
      Typical atheist.
      You ask a question, get the answer then claim to know better. Friend, you cannot go around pulling crap out of your ass. It smells, is messy and quite frankly, it is unattractive.
      I gave you information, told you were you can get more information. We are not here to spoon feed little children their Pablum©. If need be, I can get you a link to 'Baby's First Bible' and you can read that.
      Crap out of my arse? The Pan Ku story? Yes it is crap. But it's not from my arse it was pulled. It was pulled out of a religious text. Just like the Bible. Don't get me wrong, I believe there are very good morals in the Bible, so it should be used as a guide. Not fact.

      I do not claim to know better. I claim to know nothing at all on how the Universe was created. But logically, some theories have much better evidence. And please, notice how I use the word 'theories'. Ideas. Not actual fact. You believe that the Bible is fact. Period. You will not listen to others', you just talk down to them with your quotations and avoid answering questions yourself.


      I am starting to ramble and am getting off topic. I'm going to leave it here, and hope that you come to your senses one day, that no religion is fact...

      Sure, the day you die, I do hope Heaven is there for you. I genuinely do, because such a place sounds beautiful. I am just not prepared to put all of my energy into believing in something that is so illogical...
      A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

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      • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

        Originally posted by Luke1988 View Post
        I do not claim to know better. I claim to know nothing at all on how the Universe was created.
        Well, you've certainly sold yourself as one to listen to!

        Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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        • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

          Originally posted by Luke1988 View Post
          Don't get me wrong, I believe there are very good morals in the Bible, so it should be used as a guide. Not fact.
          I don't understand how you can say that the morals in the Bible are good if you don't believe in God or Hell. The only reason it is mandatory to hunt witches is because God commands us to "suffer no witch to live". Without divine command theory, without black magic, without Heaven and Hell, this does not work. Similarly, the Bible commands us to execute homosexuals. In light of Biblical ontology, this makes sense. Homosexuals are an affront to God, because God arbitrarily commands them to go against their nature and they refuse Him. But if there is no God, what is wrong with being homosexual.

          I'm afraid theism is inseparable from Biblical ethics.
          The Only Real Climate Change Will be Hell!

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          • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

            Originally posted by Billy Bob Jenkins View Post
            I don't understand how you can say that the morals in the Bible are good if you don't believe in God or Hell. The only reason it is mandatory to hunt witches is because God commands us to "suffer no witch to live". Without divine command theory, without black magic, without Heaven and Hell, this does not work. Similarly, the Bible commands us to execute homosexuals. In light of Biblical ontology, this makes sense. Homosexuals are an affront to God, because God arbitrarily commands them to go against their nature and they refuse Him. But if there is no God, what is wrong with being homosexual.

            I'm afraid theism is inseparable from Biblical ethics.

            I used the term 'some good morals'.

            Certain morals such as some of the commandments. being good to one another, loving your family, etc. That's all I meant.

            ...And I didn't say anything about witches... Even though I don't think such beings exist.

            And about your signature, I don't want to have anal sex in the slightest.

            You even challenge things I say when I am agreeing with some things that are morally correct in the Bible.. Do you think that without the Bible, everyone would be running havoc, killing each other? I don't think so. We know it to be wrong as we understand the value of life, as we have our own.

            I'm just going to leave it there.. I've had enough debate for one evening.
            A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

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            • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

              Originally posted by Luke1988 View Post
              I used the term 'some good morals'.

              Certain morals such as some of the commandments. being good to one another, loving your family, etc. That's all I meant.

              ...And I didn't say anything about witches... Even though I don't think such beings exist.

              And about your signature, I don't want to have anal sex in the slightest.

              You even challenge things I say when I am agreeing with some things that are morally correct in the Bible.. Do you think that without the Bible, everyone would be running havoc, killing each other? I don't think so. We know it to be wrong as we understand the value of life, as we have our own.

              I'm just going to leave it there.. I've had enough debate for one evening.
              Name one ethical absolute in the Bible that would hold without divine command theory? None. There would be no reason not to steal, or kill normal people, or rape without subsequently purchasing the victim.

              You deny that you want to have anal sex, only to entice children into your atheist rape dungeon. I know how the atheist mind works. Remember, I was an atheist once myself.
              The Only Real Climate Change Will be Hell!

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              • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

                Originally posted by Luke1988 View Post
                ...I believe there are very good morals in the Bible, so it should be used as a guide...
                How about the one that says virgins are to marry their rapists, Deuteronomy 22:28-29?

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                • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

                  Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                  Well, you've certainly sold yourself as one to listen to!

                  Well, I don't. I wasn't there when it happened, and neither were you, so you don't know how our Earth was created, either. Sure, you may believe what your Bible says, but please do not state that it is fact.

                  I just cannot believe that so much religion is still around, stating that they are all right.. I implore you to take the neutral ground and have a look around. See your similarities with other faiths and to stop with this utter arrogance.
                  A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

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                  • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

                    Originally posted by Luke1988 View Post

                    I am starting to ramble and am getting off topic.
                    Friend, it appearts as though you have been rambling this whole time and have not been on topic once.

                    that no religion is fact...
                    But the Bible says otherwise:

                    John
                    14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

                    The bible says it, and that says it; to suggest otherwise is to fall head-long into satanic deception.
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                    Psalm 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
                    Deuteronomy32:35 To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
                    Jerimiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
                    Numbers 32:23 But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
                    Leviticus24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
                    Ephesians5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

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                    • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

                      Originally posted by Rev. Edward Clement View Post
                      Friend, it appearts as though you have been rambling this whole time and have not been on topic once.



                      But the Bible says otherwise:

                      John
                      14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

                      The bible says it, and that says it; to suggest otherwise is to fall head-long into satanic deception.
                      I was on topic on my first couple of posts.

                      Oh for crying out loud. You have just used the Bible to back yourself up !!! You have just tried to prove that the Bible is fact, with a quote from it....

                      I just don't understand the logic in this... There is none!
                      A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

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                      • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

                        Originally posted by Luke1988 View Post
                        I was on topic on my first couple of posts.

                        Oh for crying out loud. You have just used the Bible to back yourself up !!! You have just tried to prove that the Bible is fact, with a quote from it....

                        I just don't understand the logic in this... There is none!

                        The Bible says it and that settles it, friend. The Word of God, the KJV Bible, is the final word on everything, and is Truth(r), period. Why? Because the Bible(Word of God)says so.

                        2 Timothy
                        3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

                        Isaiah
                        55:11
                        So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

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                        Psalm 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
                        Deuteronomy32:35 To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
                        Jerimiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
                        Numbers 32:23 But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
                        Leviticus24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
                        Ephesians5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

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                        • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

                          Originally posted by Rev. Edward Clement View Post
                          The Bible says it and that settles it, friend. The Word of God, the KJV Bible, is the final word on everything, and is Truth®, period. Why? Because the Bible(Word of God)says so.

                          2 Timothy
                          3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

                          Isaiah
                          55:11
                          So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

                          ladies and gentlemen, critical thinking at its finest

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                          • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

                            Originally posted by bobbyd View Post
                            ladies and gentlemen, critical thinking at its finest
                            We don't need "critical thinking."

                            We've got God.
                            Who Will Jesus Damn?

                            Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                            Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                            • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

                              (My name is DirtyNameChanger because my account WAS ReligionCorrupts, they changed it on me to FalseReligionCorrupts and changed my password, self-centered admins)

                              "Earth is flat because the Bible tells us so."

                              --- No where does the bible LITERALLY say that.

                              "But for those of you skeptical, close-minded types that flat out refuse to accept the overwhelming Biblical evidence, I have designed some experiments you can do at home that will show you, before your very eyes, that the world is indeed flat, and not spherical as some crazy scientists proclaim."

                              --- One LONG sentence, remember to those that believe the world is round, you are skeptical and absolutely CRAZY to think it is flat. When I read this I thought all of you were posting this stuff on purpose in order to make people like me go crazy wondering, "how in the world do you believe that?"

                              "It's amazing how many people blindly believe in a spherical Earth, without ever having seen it for themselves! I intend to change that."

                              --- It's amazing how many of you BLINDLY believe is is flat, I intend to change that. Although I don't believe I'll succeed I know what age does to people's minds. Maybe your youth will read this though, then they will hopefully not end up believing such ridiculous ideals.


                              "1) Jump![/B]
                              Now, scientists claim that Earth is spherical and rotating at a speed of between 700-1000 miles per hour,"

                              --- Yes they do.

                              "depending on your latitude."

                              --- Of course, but you forget at the north or south pole the earth spins MUCH slower.

                              "This is a very high rate of speed."

                              --- Very high rate!

                              "You can disprove this nonsense by simply jumping up as high as you can."

                              --- ... The jump for a person is about half a second. Lets do the math from there! (basic math anyway)

                              ---- Take 1000MPH and divide it by 60 for minutes = 16.66666 miles per minute (man isn't that a creepy coincidence)

                              ----- Take 16.66666 and divide it by 60 again for seconds = .2777777 miles per second

                              ------ Now take that and divide it by 2 for half a second = .13888888 miles per half a second.

                              ------- Okay! a mile is 5280 feet, so to make it simple we can divide that by 100, making it 52.8. 52.8 feet is 1% of a mile.

                              -------- Now we take 52.8 and times it by 13.8888 to figure out how many feet there are in .1388888 miles. (If you missed it I multiplied .138888 by 100 to keep the conversions balanced.)

                              --------- that gives us 733.33333 feet per half a second the earth spins.

                              ---------- So that is how far you should fly according to you, however you never took into account everything god gave us. Let's start with air!

                              ----------- Air is amazing, did you know that if you were to put a huge cylinder over the Eiffel tower that matched it's size, the air would weigh more? It's true,

                              --- http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2011/02/...-eiffel-tower/

                              ---------- Now you said that if we jump and the earth is round, we'll be shot 700 some feet away. It is time to put our thinking caps on.

                              --------- Lets say the earth is round, and is spinning at 1000 miles an hour, that means all of the trees, ground, air, water, EVERYTHING, event he AIR is spinning as fast as the earth. Infact basic physics would tell us that a mile up in the air the speed of rotation would be faster than 1000 miles per hour.

                              -------- So now that everything is spinning, in coordination with gravity, we can look at the earth like and encapsulated car or plane.

                              ------- What happens when you drop a feather in a plane going 300MPH? it floats down unaffected by the speed outside of the plane. Everything within the plane is moving at 300 MPH.

                              ------ Now lets look at a truck going 100 MPH, (unsafe I know but I like easy to work with realistic numbers over say 63 MPH). Now someone is riding in the back, if they jump, they will move, this is because the truck is going 100 MPH.

                              ------ However it is not that simple, the person will move because the truck is moving FASTER than everything else on the earth. It would be like throwing a paper airplane in a car with a peanut sitting on it. When the peanut falls off it is no longer attached to what was moving so fast. The peanut will continue forward but slow down compared to the plane. Just like the person jumping in the back of a truck, they are attached but when they jump, it's like the peanut falling off the plane. They start to resume the speed of the encapsulated object. Person = earth, peanut = paper plane.

                              ----- I realize, and I hope you do to, that there are MANY other factors to realize. Saying that jumping will prove the world is flat is a horrible argument. If you wanted to make discrediting this harder you should have said, look in a mirror, if the earth is spinning 1000 miles and hour why isn't our face flying off?

                              ---- That is because we're encapsulated (within our atmosphere that spins at 1000 miles an hour) If you are standing up in the back of a truck moving at 100 miles an hour then your face feels it because you are moving faster than your surroundings WITHOUT being encapsulated.

                              --- Well I guess that was easier to discredit. Either way though same point, if we were to jump and fly away then our face would be smeared and we'd be blown away before we could even jump.



                              "Really, it's that simple."

                              --- Nothing is EVER that simple.

                              "What happens when you jump? You come straight down to where you were."

                              --- Just like jumping in a plane, unlike jumping in the back of a truck going 100 mph.

                              But, if the Earth were indeed spinning at such a fast speed, wouldn't you land hundreds of feet away?

                              --- No, you wouldn't, thank you god for putting together such a beautiful world that can spin so dangerously fast, yet be put together just right so it seems like we aren't spinning.

                              "If you were to stand in the flat bed of a truck going 75 mph, and jump straight up, what would happen? You wouldn't fall straight down. You would fall out of the truck. That's because trucks move, the Earth doesn't."

                              --- No, that is because the truck is moving out of correlation with it's surroundings.

                              "This experiment proves the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't move."

                              --- This proves you didn't put enough thought into this experiment, nothing more.


                              "2) Blow!
                              Since if the Earth is supposedly a sphere, it naturally comes to assume what would happen to people below the equator, like in Australia? Since they are underneath the sphere, wouldn't they fall off? This is where scientists come up with mumbo-jumbo like "gravity" and "centrifugal force" to explain away their theories."

                              --- ... Seriously? It worries me to know your kids are being taught this. It was only seconds ago that you were using "jump" as a test. So tell me this, what makes you come back down to earth? And don't tell me that we just fall back down. If that were the case then why are there stars in the sky? wouldn't they fall to? Something has to make things fall. Things don't fall for NO reason.

                              "So, the scientists want you to think that because the earth is so much more massive than people or things, that people will naturally "stick" to the bottom of the earth because of gravity."

                              --- Now I'm no scientist, so I don't know the exacts on the law of gravity and how it works. However, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the scientists didn't even know how it works 100%. However with your arguments so far I HIGHLY doubt you have taken the time to research this either. If you don't know the exacts of a theory like gravity THEN DON'T BASH IT. All that shows is that you are too full of yourself and your beliefs to even represent it properly. That'd be like a male teaching girls about how their body works and how childbirth feels, all of those things that men don't experience. It would be okay for a man to do this once they ACTUALLY know WHAT they are talking about. (like after they have sat in and listened and learned from the females, they'll never truly understand everything but they can learn enough to teach to a point.)

                              ---- For your case, you're not a scientist. So unless you can explain the actual theory of gravity and how it's WRONG then I'd appreciate it if you stopped filling people's heads with nonsense.



                              "This can be disproved very simply."

                              --- You've basicly said that before, I'll say it again, nothing is EVER that simple.

                              "Get a balloon and inflate it as big as possible. It will be a spherical shape."

                              --- ... A balloon...

                              "Now, take a piece of paper and try to rip, tear, or cut the tiniest speck of paper possible."

                              --- mmkay.

                              "This paper represents a human being, much smaller in mass to the balloon, which represents the Earth."

                              --- Oh my...

                              "Now try and place the small piece of paper to the underside of the balloon. What happens? It falls off!"

                              --- You don't say!

                              "That's right. Even though the balloon is so much bigger in mass, it cannot hold the tiny paper. So if the Earth was a sphere, no one could live below the equator because they would fall off."

                              --- *smacks own head against a wall* You really believe this is a logical experiment? This is WHY you are not a scientist!

                              ---- Alright first off you are using a BALLOON to represent earth! I don't even care if the earth is round or flat, it's the simple matter that if you are going to preform a test where mass and creation of gravity is what you are attempting then using a balloon is a flat out disgrace to god's beautiful creation! There is SO much more in the earth than air and an outer balloon layer!

                              ----- Second off, you are trying to recreate GRAVITY with a BALLOON on EARTH. Lets use our thinking caps a moment and say gravity is REAL. Do you really think a ballon is going to tear away objects from earth's mighty power? Lets look at some equations.

                              --- http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae419.cfm

                              ----- I won't bother to go through each step on here but look at that site, the volume of the earth is 1,097,509,500,000,000,000,000 cubic meters. This teacher teaches his students this and shows he can fit 8 high school students into 1 cubic meter.

                              ---- I am not going to even try seeing how close your balloon to piece of paper trick is in proportions. My point is that is DOESN'T MATTER.

                              --- I don't even know the exacts of gravity, I am SURE that you don't either, but this test cannot DISPROVE gravity. Gravity itself from the earth is going to be WAY stronger than ANY gravity your balloon could EVER form. Once again all this experiment proves is that you did not put enough time into planning this experiment.



                              "3) Get High!
                              Ok, this one you really can't do at home, but you can do it out in the world."

                              --- That world that you just tried to pull gravity from by relating it to a balloon.

                              "Stand on the ground and look around you. What's the farthest you can see?"

                              --- That would depend on where I am.

                              "Maybe it's a building, tree, or mountain. Now, find some place very close to it where you can get a much higher vantage point."

                              --- How high are we talking?

                              "(This also works if you're on a jet and about to take off.) Notice how in the higher place you can see much farther? You can see more of the world the higher you get."

                              --- Naturally.

                              "This shows the world is flat because the higher you go, the easier it is to see over obstacles."

                              --- ...

                              "At the same time, it shows the world cannot be spherical."

                              --- ...

                              "Because if the world was curved, the far distance would forever remain out of view because of the Earth's curvature. It would eternally be over the horizon."

                              --- Again I truly feel sorry for ANYONE who believes what you just said.

                              "If the Earth was a sphere, it would not matter how high you went, you would still see the same thing. Since this is not the case, the Earth is flat."

                              --- Wow... This is your most ridiculous reasoning. I am almost to baffled to even know where to begin.

                              ---- Alright, you used a ballon before, now take that same balloon, draw images all over it. After that get your eyes level with the top of the balloon. Now slowly move the ballon down without rotating it. And oh my goodness! You can see more of the other side of the ballon you couldn't before right?

                              ----- Now lets kick it up a notch, take a perfect hill that is round. Lay on the top with your head sitting about in the middle of the hill. If you do this properly you should not be able to see down the other side Now slowly raise your head up. Don't consider the background, think of the hill as the earth and nothing else matters.

                              ------ The more you raise your head, the more you can see over the slope of the hill. My point is you can see further if the world is round or flat. Rising in elevation will ALWAYS let you see more. This is because when you are standing at ground level many things end up blocking our view. Hills, trees, anything.

                              ------- The reason you can't see the curvature of the earth that well even from high up is because the earth is 24,900 miles in circumference. Some say from a plane (about 20-30 thousand feet) you can see about 200 miles. Actually you can see just over 160 some miles.

                              ------ Even from an ocean view you can see the curvature of the earth. Take a piece of paper and hold it up to the screen, try to make it level with the horizon WITHOUT crossing it.




                              --- Site it came from http://jamese.webs.com/photos.htm

                              ---- I can't really say a whole lot more except once again your experiment is flawed. All else I can say on that is it'd be healthy for you to fly around the world and see for yourself that it is round and not flat.

                              These experiments are all confirmed by creation scientists as being 100% accurate.

                              --- It's funny you say that Wiki doesn't even mention the earth being flat for creation scientists.

                              -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Science

                              --- It's also really funny because you claim that creation scientists claim those to be legit tests? This says otherwise.

                              ---- "Evolutionists often falsely accuse creationists of believing in a flat Earth. But neither history nor modern scholarship support the claim that Christians ever widely believed that the Earth was flat. And the Bible doesn't teach it."


                              -- http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti.../n2/flat-earth

                              "If you're skeptical of the flat Earth, why don't you do these experiments so you can see truth with your own eyes."

                              --- I tried them, I analyzed them, and I can honestly say, you sir need to rethink your experiments before you throw this trash out as logical data for saying the earth is flat.

                              "Yours in Christ,

                              Rev. Jim Osborne[/QUOTE]"



                              --- NOW it's my turn, I don't know if I've made you budge on this, if I have, awesome! if not then read on.

                              ---- If the Earth is flat, how thick is it?

                              ----- If the Earth is flat, then what keeps it from freezing, in other words what is the molten core.

                              ------ If the Earth is flat, then why aren't there more images of the edges of the Earth? aside from those that are photo shopped, made by artists, or of actually a huge cliff or waterfall.

                              ------- If the Earth is flat then how come you can fly AROUND the world.

                              -------- If the Earth is flat and gravity doesn't exist then please explain how you haven't floated away.

                              --------- If the Earth is flat then how come you can see a curvature when you go up in altitude enough? I myself have seen it from 10,000 feet on a mountain peak. I have seen it living in Alaska by the ocean.

                              ---------- If the Earth is flat then it must be well over 29,000 miles long, that means the earth would only see the sun once every other day (one day to go across the whole earth, one day to go back to the beginning. Unless we have two suns as well)

                              ----------- Now you also said the Earth is STATIONARY, you really believe we are the center of our universe?

                              ---------- If the Earth is flat then then moon is flat to right? that first post you linked shows everything being flat, then why do we see multiple sides of the moon?

                              --------- If the Moon is flat then how come the astronauts didn't fly off when they jumped, or even fly off period. The Moon still moves right? (gravity!)

                              -------- If the Earth is flat then why is there NO tourism or advertisements for people to go see an edge of the Earth?

                              ------- If the Earth is flat then why does the sun make an arch in the sky?

                              ------ If the Earth is flat and doesn't spin, then why are there towns in Alaska that see ONLY sun in the summer for weeks and NO sun in the winter for several weeks?

                              ----- On top of that, If Alaska has sun 24/7 for several weeks then why doesn't the rest of the world see it? Hence look at the diagram. I drew up.

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                              ---- Look at the image, the swirls represent the weeks that Alaska sees NOTHING but sun on the horizon, goes around the whole horizon, never touches the middle of the sky or goes below the horizon. During the winter it is almost solid black 24/7 for a few weeks. I tried explaining that in the diagram, but according to you and the world being flat... Well the sun's rays still hit alaska! Even if they didn't hit it direct the sky would still be light. The back and forth is the average days.

                              --- Finally if the Earth is flat then please explain how northern Alaska and Canada have periods of nothing but sun that circles the whole horizon, and how they also have periods of complete darkness where the sun doesn't exist for about a month.

                              -- I don't believe you can explain anything, at least logically to prove the world is flat, because it is NOT flat. Gravity DOES exist and it's sad you haven't realized all of this yet. You need to get out of the house more, take a trip around the world.

                              - My final point is to stop wasting time taking EVERYTHING the bible says LITTERALLY. Because it says the "ends of the Earth" or the "four corners" doesn't LITERALLY mean that! It's most likely talking metaphors and has NOTHING to do with the world being flat. Also remember that the bible was translated more than once and we know how translations can be.

                              Do yourself a favor and read this link's site, can YOU read between the lines? "Could I read by the Holy Spirit? Could I go beyond the literal word and REALLY get the meaning?"


                              http://www.tentmaker.org/Biblematter...ranslation.htm

                              --- Now! don't get me wrong, I hate most scientists. I see all biologists going to hell. They ships 100s of 1000s of frogs and other animals every year to "teach". Those kids don't care, don't learn, but tear into the animal, poke their insides, then throw the body in the trash. They rip thousands of pounds of minerals and materials out of the Earth, and destroy this beautiful world god gave us.

                              http://postimage.org/image/4iso35vh1/

                              ---- I am quite religious but I don't go to any religion. If you need a religion to find god, then you haven't found god. You've only found what SOME people believe is god and have created a "Religion" out of it. If you would like to talk abut my views some time we can.

                              http://postimage.org/image/lsm8dfpnv/

                              ----- I mainly wrote this to show how we can easily waste hours and hours of time debating something that DOESN'T EVEN MATTER. There are plenty of WAY more important things to learn, debate and worry about out there. Instead of taking the bible so literal as to believe the Earth is flat, then taking the time to create experiments aren't even a valid way to test ANYTHING is a waste of time and the brain god gave you.

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                              • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT!

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                                All of your questions have already been answered in this thread. I suggest that you start from page one and read the whole thing.
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                                Psalm 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
                                Deuteronomy32:35 To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
                                Jerimiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
                                Numbers 32:23 But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
                                Leviticus24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
                                Ephesians5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

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