[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Praise JESUS! Pastor Billy Reuben outdid himself on this one! Shout GLORY!!

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

So this 'fourth seal' is what brings Death (taking the passage literally) to the mortal realm?

The passage is meant to be taken literally. It will happen literally. The seal holds Death in check now, but watch out once the tribulation begins, for the failure of the seal will release Death upon the world.

Sacha, I think I see where you're heading with this. Sorry to disappoint you, but people can die while Death remains sealed. In Revelation, John spoke of Death, in full fury, unfettered by the restraining hand of God. That's what God has sealed, and that's why Death gets the capital letter.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

I absolutely agree. I know I read something about that somewhere... ah, here it is:

And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Revelation 6:7-8

So this 'fourth seal' is what brings Death (taking the passage literally) to the mortal realm?

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Not to be dragged into this,

Nonsense. We're always glad to hear from you. Your ideas may be strange and fanciful, but at least, unlike most of our critics, you're always respectful and keep the discussion on an intellectual high note.

This would suggest that we have passed any kind of equilibrium, as our habitat will not be able to support us for much longer.

I absolutely agree. I know I read something about that somewhere... ah, here it is:

And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Revelation 6:7-8

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Pastor Billy-Reuben,
were those answers adequate to answer your LingBling's questions??

Not really. LingBling was needing to know how many bacteria the Earth can support, and why the number of bacteria tracks so closely to the number predicted by creation science.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

There are Arctic bacteria. See here.



Here's a chart of world population from the time of Christ. It's from EarthParent, an environmental group that basically hates everything that True Christians™ support in environmental policy (I didn't want you to think I was taking this from what you might consider to be a Christian-biased source).



So, what is the equilibrium human population?

Not to be dragged into this, but I might I just point out that there are very severe cases of overpopulation in many parts of the world, China in particular (Hence introducing the one-child-per-family policy). Also, the resources we use/consume on a daily basis, such as fossil fuels, some industrial metals and even fresh water, are becoming scarce due to over-consumption.
This would suggest that we have passed any kind of equilibrium, as our habitat will not be able to support us for much longer.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

There are many places on Earth in which bacteria are not able to live, the Arctic for example.

There are Arctic bacteria. See here.

Also every organism, except humans i may add, reaches an equilibrium with their environment in which they will not exceed.

Here's a chart of world population from the time of Christ. It's from EarthParent, an environmental group that basically hates everything that True Christians™ support in environmental policy (I didn't want you to think I was taking this from what you might consider to be a Christian-biased source).



So, what is the equilibrium human population?

The discovery of things through observation also can allow new mysteries to by uncovered and allow for more investigation into the world in which God has created. that is how I put my faith in science, which if you believe that God is infallible and knows all, as the Bible says, He created.

Interesting. Are you saying that you believe God created the universe, or are you just saying for the sake of argument that if God created the Universe, then science helps illuminate God's plan?

[Stranger]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Pastor Billy-Reuben,
were those answers adequate to answer your questions??

[Stranger]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

I want to bring this back to something that wasn't resolved earlier.

Stranger, you seem to be a little bit more intelligent than the garden variety village atheist we typically get around here. Well, obviously not too intelligent, otherwise you would have dropped all this science nonsense and accepted Jesus, but nevertheless.

Perhaps you can help LingBling out with a dilemma he had earlier in this thread.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

In response to the first link, the reason there are way too few bacteria to support an 'old earth' theory in your eyes is because of consumption and failure to adapt. You are not taking into account that things are eaten, plus there are illnesses that kill and many other factors of which, I admit, I am ignorant of. That is what i think accounts for the lack of bacteria. In addition to those reasons. There are many places on Earth in which bacteria are not able to live, the Arctic for example. Also every organism, except humans i may add, reaches an equilibrium with their environment in which they will not exceed.

as for the second link, as the definition of the word, which was created by God if we go by the Bible, is the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment, I find that extremely interesting and allows a person to find out for themselves, in which removes a realm of mystery from the world, and allows the person to further know what they are called to do in this world. The discovery of things through observation also can allow new mysteries to by uncovered and allow for more investigation into the world in which God has created. that is how I put my faith in science, which if you believe that God is infallible and knows all, as the Bible says, He created.

I hope that answers both of your questions.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

I want to bring this back to something that wasn't resolved earlier.

Stranger, you seem to be a little bit more intelligent than the garden variety village atheist we typically get around here. Well, obviously not too intelligent, otherwise you would have dropped all this science nonsense and accepted Jesus, but nevertheless.

Perhaps you can help LingBling out with a dilemma he had earlier in this thread.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

The information that radiation has no relevance to weight has an anti-Christian agenda?

Yes it does, the people who came up with these theories were hell bent of destroying Christianity and faith in general.

[Stranger]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

You ignored my observation about the source of this "information" has an anti-Christian agenda.

The information that radiation has no relevance to weight has an anti-Christian agenda?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

I feel as though that you choose not to accept the information.

You ignored my observation about the source of this "information" has an anti-Christian agenda.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Not quite friend; we Christians are very reluctant to accept information from a source so blatantly biased against us.

I feel as though that you choose not to accept the information.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Already pointed that out, but these people are reluctant to absorb any scientific information that does favor the belief of God.

Not quite friend; we Christians are very reluctant to accept information from a source so blatantly biased against us.