[Ninjaseverywhere]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

If this were true nothing could be lighter than air and I have personally seen hot air and helium balloons rise, completely unrestrained by "gravity".

Try again.



Sounds like conjecture and wishful thinking. Do you have any pictures of these "photons"?

The balloon is affected by gravity it's just less dense than the atmosphere which makes it float the same way wood floats on water.

Religion sounds like conjecture and wishful thinking. Do you have any pictures of this "God" or "Heaven"?

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

"So light is massless? It contans no matter? Interesting What is light?"

Correct, visible light is a form of electromagnetic radiation.

I guss the part that confuses me (I am just a simple country boy after all) is if light is pure energy, then how can photons 'push' things. I have a few childs toys at the Hutchins home, a 'Radiometer'.

"According to you, only really really powerful light can travel millions and millions of light years?" Correct! You are on a roll!

"So the light from my flashlight runs out of steam and simply falls on the ground?"

I like the way you put this one, it doesn't "simply fall on the ground" though.

Since light does not have mass, it has energy. The energy simply dissipates or runs out, and then it is gone.
Think of it as gas in your vehicle, the gas is energy for your car, eventually you will run out. The gas didn't just simply fall on the ground though, it changed forms. It is ignited, which moves a piston and is turned into mechanical energy.

This is what light does, as it hits obstacles such as spacedust or anything else with matter, it changes forms. It can change into heat or other types of energy such as mechanical energy.

So only the light from flashlights dissapate, the light from stars, which are merely little diamonds in the sky, reflecting sunlinght, can last forever. Interesting.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Gravity effects EVERYTHING, not just things with mass, but everything.

If this were true nothing could be lighter than air and I have personally seen hot air and helium balloons rise, completely unrestrained by "gravity".

Try again.

One of the ways Einstein's theory of general relativity was verified was by what is called "gravitational lensing".

When light travels near an object, such as a planet or black hole, with a huge gravitational pull, the path of the light is bent towards the object. The object will pull the photon away from it's normal path and towards the object, thus resulting in a curved path.

Black holes have an incredible gravitational force coming from them. Meaning, they bend space a large amount, and since all objects/matter/energy travel through the fabric of space they are subject to gravity.

If a photon gets too close to a black hole, the gravity of the black hole will start pulling it closer. Think of the black hole as an infinitely deep funnel. The photon will get pulled into the black hole by it's gravitational field and begin it's spiral into the black hole.

Gravity effects everything.

Are you familiar with the experiment where you lay different sized balls on a bed sheet and their masses curve the sheet? The sheet is the fabric of space, and since all objects travel through space, whether they have mass or not, they are subject to travel with the "terrain" of space.

Sounds like conjecture and wishful thinking. Do you have any pictures of these "photons"?

[Ninjaseverywhere]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Then please explain to me why these little massless packets of energy can supposedly be trapped by the mass of a black hole. If they have no mass then surely the gravity wouldn't be affecting them.

The last number I saw was that a photon, if it has any mass at all, must be less than 4 x 10^-48 grams. For comparison, the electron has a mass of 9 x 10^-28 grams. It isn't proven they have no mass...just that the mass they have if any must be a certain number. Under relativity though stars bend the surrounding space time which curves light and in a black hole it curves it to the point of collapsing into the black hole. This mean either relativity is right or a photon has the mass less than 4 x 10^-48 grams. Indeed science can't answer everything YET but in the last 50-60 years we have accomplished so much. Moving forward with humanity is great isn't it?

[AnAuthenticAtheist]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Ahhhhhhhhh very good question! I'm so excited to answer this one.

Gravity effects EVERYTHING, not just things with mass, but everything.

One of the ways Einstein's theory of general relativity was verified was by what is called "gravitational lensing".

When light travels near an object, such as a planet or black hole, with a huge gravitational pull, the path of the light is bent towards the object. The object will pull the photon away from it's normal path and towards the object, thus resulting in a curved path.

Black holes have an incredible gravitational force coming from them. Meaning, they bend space a large amount, and since all objects/matter/energy travel through the fabric of space they are subject to gravity.

If a photon gets too close to a black hole, the gravity of the black hole will start pulling it closer. Think of the black hole as an infinitely deep funnel. The photon will get pulled into the black hole by it's gravitational field and begin it's spiral into the black hole.

Gravity effects everything.

Are you familiar with the experiment where you lay different sized balls on a bed sheet and their masses curve the sheet? The sheet is the fabric of space, and since all objects travel through space, whether they have mass or not, they are subject to travel with the "terrain" of space.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Then please explain to me why these little massless packets of energy can supposedly be trapped by the mass of a black hole. If they have no mass then surely the gravity wouldn't be affecting them.

[AnAuthenticAtheist]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

"Really...

Could you please explain to me what a photon is?"

Sure, think of it as a little packet of energy that gives off radiation in the form of visible light.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Really...

Could you please explain to me what a photon is?

[AnAuthenticAtheist]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

"So light is massless? It contans no matter? Interesting What is light?"

Correct, visible light is a form of electromagnetic radiation.

"According to you, only really really powerful light can travel millions and millions of light years?"

Correct! You are on a roll!

"So the light from my flashlight runs out of steam and simply falls on the ground?"

I like the way you put this one, it doesn't "simply fall on the ground" though.

Since light does not have mass, it has energy. The energy simply dissipates or runs out, and then it is gone.

Think of it as gas in your vehicle, the gas is energy for your car, eventually you will run out. The gas didn't just simply fall on the ground though, it changed forms. It is ignited, which moves a piston and is turned into mechanical energy.

This is what light does, as it hits obstacles such as spacedust or anything else with matter, it changes forms. It can change into heat or other types of energy such as mechanical energy.

[Wilbur J. Carpenter]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Wilbur, GPS actually prove the earth is flat. I have written much about this in another thread dealing with the flat earth.

Sister, I beg you not to trust GPS devices. You know not the evil inherent within these tool's of the devil.

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Hello Everyone!

A friend directed me to this forum because he found it very interesting. I also find it very interesting, so I'd like to attempt to answer some questions.

Yes, light has properties.

It's speed is 186,000 miles per second.
It is massless, this is why when it hits you it doesn't knock you down.

Also, I read earlier someone said something to the extent of:

"You're telling me scientists are telling me that I can't see off into the horizon for more than 20 miles, then they say I can see something that's several millions of light years away?"

This is easily explained, most of the sources of light here on earth aren't very powerful. A flashlight for instance, yes it produces light, however it's not a very powerful source of light. The Sun on the other hand, is an extremely powerful source of light. The more powerful the source of the light is, the further away you can be from it and still see it. As you get farther away from light, it becomes dimmer. It's important to note that all light sources, keyword: sources, are not equal.

I'll happily wait for a response.

I am speechless. AnAuthenticAtheist! I guess that means all the other trolls, I mean atheists we have had were impostors?

So light is massless? It contans no matter? Interesting What is light?

According to you, only really really powerful light can travel millions and millions of light years? So the light from my flashlight runs out of steam and simply falls on the ground?

[AnAuthenticAtheist]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Hello Everyone!

A friend directed me to this forum because he found it very interesting. I also find it very interesting, so I'd like to attempt to answer some questions.

Yes, light has properties.

It's speed is 186,000 miles per second.
It is massless, this is why when it hits you it doesn't knock you down.

Also, I read earlier someone said something to the extent of:

"You're telling me scientists are telling me that I can't see off into the horizon for more than 20 miles, then they say I can see something that's several millions of light years away?"

This is easily explained, most of the sources of light here on earth aren't very powerful. A flashlight for instance, yes it produces light, however it's not a very powerful source of light. The Sun on the other hand, is an extremely powerful source of light. The more powerful the source of the light is, the further away you can be from it and still see it. As you get farther away from light, it becomes dimmer. It's important to note that all light sources, keyword: sources, are not equal.

I'll happily wait for a response.

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Could God have created the older stars ahead of time? The Bible mentions their creation on the third day, but maybe He just created the stars closest to the Earth at that time.

There could be other copies of Earth and stars created around the universe.

That is possible that the stars were created by God prior to the Earth.

I would not be surprised if they had been created the day (or maybe two) before He created the Earth. But that is just one or two days, not millions of millions of days. If He did as you propose, what did God do in the mean time?

[Ksevio]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Could God have created the older stars ahead of time? The Bible mentions their creation on the third day, but maybe He just created the stars closest to the Earth at that time.

There could be other copies of Earth and stars created around the universe.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

As I said I am no physicist ha, my area of expertise is mainly the past and the long time dead. Physics I could never grasp in school I am afraid so you will have to find someone out there who knows this area a bit better than myself. I only put my 2 cents in mainly on the age of the earth which was a point in this argument. I cant argue the case in detail as I do not know physics apart from the basics

Well, my point here is that the physics don't add up. No matter how you look at the problem from a secular viewpoint you only end up with a bunch of unanswered questions and ridiculous equations that don't prove anything real.

So why not get your answers from the ONLY source that is not only consistent, but also answers all your questions? Try reading the KJV 1611 and trusting in God and you'll see.