[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

you've dedunked nothing except your own intellegence.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I don't need to know where a car left from or need to know where it is going to know it just passed me either. Your rational and common sense seems to be disabled.

I've debunked your post, but feel free to contiue to spread lies about if that makes you feel better. That's what you guys did with Piltdown Man for over 40 years.

[Master Gordon]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You need a good English lesson I'd say.

God saying light doesn't necessarily mean the literal "light"....

The meaning could also be interpreted as the truth being revealed.

Then I am confused what do mean? I am sorry I agree with LisaH light cannot jump in a car and travel somewhere.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

My dear sir they (like all Baptist Christians) believe the sun is made of coal and is in a stationary orbit 500 miles away from the flat surface of the 6000 year old earth.

If you are trying to make a point you will need something more substantial than prescription drugs. Your assumptions of synaptic activity in them brings your credibility into some question.

Wouldn't stationary orbit mean it shone over the exact same spot all of the time?

You know you're not the only one around here with a science degree.

[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I don't need to know where a car left from or need to know where it is going to know it just passed me either. Your rational and common sense seems to be disabled.

[Marshall]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

How am I supposed to see star in a million years? What a stupid premise.
The earth will be a decrepit sin filled Hell in a million years after Satan claims it following The Rapture.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The only people that want to damn our eternal souls are christians. Why is that! Fear is my bet!

12 million light years away, maybe that means that the light is over 12 million years old. And if you think the sun shuts off for 12 hours then you need some seriuos medication.

The light you see from stars is what you see during the present moment. If it takes millions of years, then we wouldn't be able to see it as no observer can live millions of years.

Starlight would take millions of years if it was created millions of years ago, however starlight is created now. The light you see from stars is what is being created the very moment you see it.

You have to use simple common sense and logic.

So basically your entire post which attempts to put a hole in Young Earth Creationism has been debunked.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The only people that want to damn our eternal souls are christians. Why is that! Fear is my bet!

12 million light years away, maybe that means that the light is over 12 million years old. And if you think the sun shuts off for 12 hours then you need some seriuos medication.

We don't really know much about the sun yet and how God made it work. We likely never will because it's just too hot to get close to. Maybe He made it that way for a reason. That we would enjoy the warmth and tend to our own business.

If I had to guess, I doubt it entirely shuts off but more likely goes into "sleep mode" as it gets to the far edge of the geodisc. God's not one for waste.

[John Scopes]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

And if you think the sun shuts off for 12 hours then you need some seriuos medication.

My dear sir they (like all Baptist Christians) believe the sun is made of coal and is in a stationary orbit 500 miles away from the flat surface of the 6000 year old earth.

If you are trying to make a point you will need something more substantial than prescription drugs. Your assumptions of synaptic activity in them brings your credibility into some question.

[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Scientists have once again gone against God's word and have tried to make us believe things that simply aren't true in order to damn our eternal souls to Hell.

The fact of the matter is that even if light really did need to travel millions of years in order for us to see stars you have to account for the fact that it gets dark every night when the sun goes away. This means the sun only has about 12 hours to send light to be reflected off those stars before it goes behind the earth and all the progress it made is canceled.

The only people that want to damn our eternal souls are christians. Why is that! Fear is my bet!

12 million light years away, maybe that means that the light is over 12 million years old. And if you think the sun shuts off for 12 hours then you need some seriuos medication.

[Brother Helge]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You're wrong. To prove it, I'm taking a wooden carving of a thrush that belonged to my grandfather, and I'm keeping it in a box. I will give it to my first child as soon as he or she is born. There, it's a carving over 90 years old being given to a child that'll only be alive for a few seconds upon receiving the gift.

This would be true if, and only if, you actually could keep light in a box.

Why don't you ask your grandfather to save some daylight in a box so you can give it to your first born grandchild.
Boy, would I like to be there to see the dissapointment in the poor childs eyes when he/she realize you've given 'em an empty box...

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Scientists have once again gone against God's word and have tried to make us believe things that simply aren't true in order to damn our eternal souls to Hell.

The fact of the matter is that even if light really did need to travel millions of years in order for us to see stars you have to account for the fact that it gets dark every night when the sun goes away. This means the sun only has about 12 hours to send light to be reflected off those stars before it goes behind the earth and all the progress it made is canceled.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You're wrong. To prove it, I'm taking a wooden carving of a thrush that belonged to my grandfather, and I'm keeping it in a box. I will give it to my first child as soon as he or she is born. There, it's a carving over 90 years old being given to a child that'll only be alive for a few seconds upon receiving the gift.

@barton: so you put the law of men above the law of God?

Nope this makes no sense still.

Stars generate their own light until they burn out. That means if it takes 11 million years for the light from a star to hit earth you would need to be 11 million years old.

Stars generate their light now. Like fire, a flame continues to burn and give off it's light.

Common sense debunks the whole starlight thing, and there are no problems with starlight with the Young Earth Creation model because of the above.

[barton]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

@barton: so you put the law of men above the law of God?

Well, first of all, I rejoice that this is the only issue you had with my previous post. It gladdens my heart to know that you agree with everything else. Perhaps you are not so close-minded to God's literal truth as I had supposed! This is wonderful!

Your question about secular vs Biblical law is a very good one. I think there are several different ways to approach this but one that seems most apt is very, very simple. When God's laws were first given to men, they were the basis for a theocracy. There was no competing, divergent, separate secular law. Right now, however, we Christians are not in a homogeneous society and, despite the wishes of our Founding Fathers, the Christian moral basis for our law has been twisted into secularism.

I don't believe America is too far gone and can't be redeemed. However, until true Christians can bring about a true Christian theocracy in this country, with full force of law applicable to all within our borders, we have a very real jurisdictional problem. We Christians are as strangers in a strange land and those we eject from our midst for flouting our laws are no longer subject to our Christian laws, escaping the immediate physical consequences. Instead, they are subject to the secular laws of this land, beyond our legal reach for now. I am praying daily for this to change!

So far, though, none of this deals with the most common reason to debate secular vs God's law. Usually, we discuss this in terms of our own personal choices and what the law requires of us as individuals. For these things, I will always choose God. I will not lie or cheat or steal or murder or fornicate, no matter what secular laws 0bama might enact that require it of me. I would martyr myself rather than flout God's laws...

1st Corinthians 6:20 "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Basically, I will not personally be compelled by anyone to do anything that profanes my body or spirit. God is forever first in my life. I am just currently unable to bring God's earthly judgment as proscribed in the Bible upon others.

I hope this helps you get past your stumbling block with this. God wants you to go to heaven!

[ReasonableChristian]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You're wrong. To prove it, I'm taking a wooden carving of a thrush that belonged to my grandfather, and I'm keeping it in a box. I will give it to my first child as soon as he or she is born. There, it's a carving over 90 years old being given to a child that'll only be alive for a few seconds upon receiving the gift.

@barton: so you put the law of men above the law of God?